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Arsenal v Liverpool
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LuckyLloyd - there's another side to the coin. Last season, when Benitez's job was on the line (and rightly so IMO), that's when we started to play good consistent stuff and go on a strong run in the league. There was little rotation during this period and we played good attacking pressing fooball.
Benitez needs to be put under pressure in order to get the best out of him. Our form now is D-D-W-D-D. That's not good enough. People should moan and they are certinaly entitled to. I also think his contract should be deferred until the end of this season.
Some hard numbers on your point about last season's run:
- the height of the 'sack Rafa' rubbish came in the aftermath of the defeat @West Ham on 30 Jan;
- in the 15 league games between then and the end of the season we picked up 36 points;
- in the first 15 league games of this season we picked up 34 points;
People felt we were humming during that 15 game run to finish last season and performing poorly to begin this year - and the difference? 2 points. When logic dictates that it is easier to perform when the pressure is off and games become less and less important as a season plays out to a conclusion.
I personally agree that his contract should not be reviewed until season's end - but I would always be of such an opinion in sport (remember the Eddie O' Sullivan debacle). But it is difficult for me to envisage his deal not being renewed at that point - barring some sort of cataclysmic collapse. And if you did decide to let him go, yet again the question would be who do you bring in to replace him?
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The league is judged over 38 games - let's take stock then eh?
For me, this was always the year that Benitez needed to deliver the title or come damn close to it. But I see the same mistakes being made yet again this year and I predict we will fall away badly in the new year. He has not shown the capacity to adapt to the English league.
Some may laugh, but I think Martin O'Neill would do a better job with less money and time.
YES, LET'S!!! That is what we are all saying...ah:(
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As for Martin O' Neil doing a better job? Given the stuff that went down over the Gareth Barry transfer - how could he possibly be a viable candidate for the job? I think a few years will have to pass before the hardcore of Liverpool support who actually buy tickets and go to home and away games regularly would stomach him at the club.0 -
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LuckyLloyd wrote: »We don't play in a vacuum independent from the opposition though. Arsenal's work rate was insane after they went to 10 men - and they pressed us really high up the park. It's not just a case of us playing poorly - any team would have struggled to capitalise on their advantage during that 15 minute stretch.
As for the subs:
- Keane had begun to look a little tired and wasn't particularly involved for about 10 mins before he was taken off;
- Riera the same;
- When Lucas came off we had established a control over the game again and were causing problems, might as well throw a striker on at that point;
- Babel was rubbish again, but I can understand why he gets so many second chances - not the manager's fault;
- El Zahr came closest for us and impacted the game after his introduction;
This is the team and manager you've got. Benitez won La Liga and the UEFA Cup with Valencia employing these tactics and outlook on the game. He has made us a force in Europe doing the same. He's not changing his MO at this stage - that people refuse to accept this when we are top of the league is comical to me. At the end of the season you will have to look at how we finished up and the upside that exists in the squad (understanding that the squad will play a certain way under Rafa) and make a decision as to whether you are getting closer under him and should allow him to continue.
Constant whinging and longing over what we haven't got in terms of the management or playing staff is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.
Fair enough but this is up to the manager to make correct changes both with subs and tactical decisions to make use of the extra man under these conditions. Its was clearly evident that Liverpool would have taken nicking a winner but the main thing was to consolidate the draw. With 25 minutes left and the other team down to 10 men i think proactive decisions should be made to use that extra man things like pushing our full backs on(They actually looked like they had been told the opposite) , maybe bringing off Kuyt whose industry and willingness to track back are no longer needed to the same extent.
These are just suggestions and probably bad ones
.... its the point i am trying to convey that when we are in these kinda situation - Arsenal down to 10 men just happening to be the current one - i want to see Rafa show the belief in his players to let them go get the 3 points rather than i feel like he did today keeping them on a short leash.
I always felt in the past that we probably didn't have the team for the above to be the case but i feel thats changed and Rafa has slowly put together a group of players that can win the league culminating in the current group. I feel now he needs to instill more trust in his own players and let them express themselves more in an attacking sense. In the earlier part of the season i felt this was starting to happen but i think losing Torres has meant hes lost some of that vision and trust in just letting the players play.
Question : When have Liverpool been at their best this season ?
Answer : When coming from behind.
I feel this is due to the fact that when we need goals Benitez hand is forced and he has no other choice than to take the shackles off and ask the team to play with a little more reckless abandonment.
Some of which was needed today IMO!
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It's not just restricted to Liverpool players. RVP went down like a whore in the first half when Riera barely touched him.
Worst moment in the game for me, such a cheating "oh I've been shot" attitude not helped by his post-match interview - Adebayor should have got a red for his studs-first attempt to break Arbeloas legs. The sending off certainly worked better for the Gunners as the play became broken up with Webbs officious attitude and a positive fighting mentality from the home side.
As for the result, meh. No great harm done as a point away to the Gunners would have been taken beforehand.
Babel really is becoming a problem, the composure down the left flank went with Riera. Isnua must be the first choice LB as of now, so much better than Dossena.
As much as Keane had annoyed/disapointed me I screamed like an orgasming 16 year old girl when he smashed that in. Pretty good turn of pace as well, hopefully that can be built on.0 -
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