Everton Vs Chelsea Goodison Park 22/12

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The ref is throwing out a lot of yellows.

but in fairness it might stop the Chelsea players moaning,

Cole got one there

whatawaster

it's high time Chelsea started getting handed bookings for their carry on. Cole and Lampard booked.

Bubs101

100% red card. Could be a blessing in disguise though because we'll be forced to give Alex game time, maybe 3 matches over the transfer window which may convince him to stay

MIN2511

Isn't it a 2match ban?

uberwolf

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Ref sent him off after a long think about it, and a talk with the assistant

he called his straight over according to that replay. Studs up, flying tackle, after the ball. The temerity of protesting like that. And then in his face afterwards. In rugby you touch the ref like that, you're looking at a walk for that alone. And rightly so.

ShoulderChip

Bubs101 wrote: »

100% red card. Could be a blessing in disguise though because we'll be forced to give Alex game time, maybe 3 matches over the transfer window which may convince him to stay

but alex has been playing since Carvalho injury,

we may now need to play alex and ivanovic, if carvalho's not ready.

plus he hasnt requested a transfer that was a false story according to scolari and terry.

ctrl-alt-delete

Yeah well he was alwaqys going to give him a card, he had to decide red or yellow,

am pretty sure he spoke to his assistant over the earpiece, Setanta seemed to think so.

Having seen it again i still think it was a bit harsh, but according to the rules he had to go.

Poll is giving his view at HT on Setanta

jesus_thats_gre

Am not convinced on the sending off myself now...

Villain

Oh dear how many matches are actually going to have 22 players finishing the game? It looked bad but he was going for the ball the ball was the same height as Terry's foot it was a 50 50 ball both players going for the ball, these refs are ruining the game

It was a bad tackle but not as bad as Arca's and he got a yellow! There is no Consistency even look at the two yellow's for Lampard and Cole, if players got booked every time for mouthing we'd see 20 a game!

Now that the ref's are professional there is no excuse for such lack of consistency

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jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Am not convinced on the sending off myself now...

I still think he only had his eyes on the ball,

and the ball was as high as his foot,

The ref definetly got a second opinion.

Mcmanaman and Poll think Yes, Sherwood thinks no

Melion

Just seen it, definite red

ShoulderChip

God bless Tim.

spockety

Graham poll confirms what is long suspected. Refs take into account a player's standing in the england team when considering taking action against them. Ridiculous. Obviously not this time.

redout

Graham Poll said the decision was correct and it was a red. Fair play and he said like I mentioned earlier all the crap thats going to come with this sending off because he is England captain. He done it to Terry in 2005 and ended up being investigated by the FA. No doubt there will be something similar here.

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The 4th Official has said Dowd made the decision on his own.

I still think Chelsea can win this, especially if they bring Drogbra on.

Hard to see where an Everton goal will come from, a corner or free kick is all i can see.

whatawaster

it was definitely a red. It was a dangerous tackle - regardless of how high the ball was. He could have broken his leg

Villain

Melion wrote: »

Just seen it, definite red

Definite? I don't think so.

Poll talking about how its different sending off the England Captain than any player shows a small insight in how the refs think.

In another year or two 50-50 tackles will be forbidden, anyone who has played the game will have seen Terry went into a 50-50 for the ball, he was a fraction of a second later than the Everton player, na malious or badness just a hard 50-50 tackle.

ctrl-alt-delete

Villain wrote: »

Definite? I don't think so.

Poll talking about how its different sending off the England Captain than any player shows a small insight in how the refs think.

In another year or two 50-50 tackles will be forbidden, anyone who has played the game will have seen Terry went into a 50-50 for the ball, he was a fraction of a second later than the Everton player, na malious or badness just a hard 50-50 tackle.

Exactly how i saw it, and as you said the next to go will be 50/50 tackles, players will have to wait for the ball to come to them.

Peoples opinions on this i think come from how the3y play the game themselves.

Frisbee

I am delighted a referee (albeit Poll) finally admitted that you treat Captain Lionheart JT different to other players because he's captain of England, delighted...

whatawaster

Villain wrote: »

Definite? I don't think so.

Poll talking about how its different sending off the England Captain than any player shows a small insight in how the refs think.

In another year or two 50-50 tackles will be forbidden, anyone who has played the game will have seen Terry went into a 50-50 for the ball, he was a fraction of a second later than the Everton player, na malious or badness just a hard 50-50 tackle.

and if he had broken the player's leg?

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whatawaster wrote: »

and if he had broken the player's leg?

Stuff like that happens,

It is different if it is intentional, and different again if Osman had have had the ball, it was 50/50 and terrys eyes remained on the ball at all times,

Has every player who has tackled a player in the past, and broken or in some way aided the leg break recieved a red card? i doubt it

eddiehead

Villain wrote: »

It was a bad tackle but not as bad as Arca's and he got a yellow! There is no Consistency even look at the two yellow's for Lampard and Cole, if players got booked every time for mouthing we'd see 20 a game!

^^What he said^^

It was a bad tackle, but others just as bad and worse often go unpunished. It was shocking that both Lampard & Cole got booked too, how often do players get away with a warning in that spot. IMO the ref has a pre-concieved notion about these players and he took their reputations into the decision, which is wrong.

Villain

whatawaster wrote: »

and if he had broken the player's leg?

So you want all 50-50 tackles ruled out because someone might get hurt?

Trust me a player knows he risks getting hurt you throw yourself into a 50-50 tackle, I have come out of them without any injury and I have had to come off because of them but if you play soccer thats the risk you take.

Its a contact sport, if you want to rule out any tackles that cause serious injury you'll end up closer to basketball.

x in the city

deffo red, how could easily have snapped osmans shin ffs.

who cares its john terry. not me

riflehunter77

Straight red no questions if it had been a everton player he would of been sent off to just because he is the english captain does not make him any different than any other player. What does it matter if the 4th offical has been consulated .Whats the story with Mcmanaman and Sherwood going on about JT JT JT either call him john or terry cut out the jt sh1te

whatawaster

Villain wrote: »

So you want all 50-50 tackles ruled out because someone might get hurt?

Trust me a player knows he risks getting hurt you throw yourself into a 50-50 tackle, I have come out of them without any injury and I have had to come off because of them but if you play soccer thats the risk you take.

Its a contact sport, if you want to rule out any tackles that cause serious injury you'll end up closer to basketball.

i didn't see it as 50-50. I saw it as a very rash challenge from JT, which was rightly punished

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whatawaster wrote: »

i didn't see it as 50-50. I saw it as a very rash challenge from JT, which was rightly punished

How would you describe a 50/50 tackle then?

Villain

x in the city wrote: »

deffo red, how could easily have snapped osmans shin ffs.

who cares its john terry. not me

And if Terry had been a fraction of a second faster and got the ball Osman could have snapped Terry's shin, thats what a 50-50 tackle is.

I wonder how many posters here have actually played soccer at a competitive level, because some seem to have a very naive view.

spockety

That tackle was more like a 100-0 than a 50-50. Terry was going to be the only winner, whether he won the ball or the legs the everton player was going no further.

whatawaster

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

How would you describe a 50/50 tackle then?

one where both players go in fairly for the ball.

deisedevil

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

How would you describe a 50/50 tackle then?

The opposite of what Terry did!

If he broke his leg he'd be a villian right now and everyone would be looking for his head, no one would be questioning the sending off. He dived at it with both feet, studs showing, he was high and late. He looked at the player before deciding to take it on so he knew it was going to be very close and therefore he has to accept that if he doesn't make a clean tackle he risks getting a sending off.

redout

Villain wrote: »

And if Terry had been a fraction of a second faster and got the ball Osman could have snapped Terry's shin, thats what a 50-50 tackle is.

I.

It's not a game of if's.

vestanpance

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

How would you describe a 50/50 tackle then?

A good example is Alonso and Fabregas yesterday.

spockety

redout wrote: »

It's not a game of if's.

Actually in some cases it is. Intent is enough to warrant a foul/booking.

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deisedevil wrote: »

The opposite of what Terry did!

If he broke his leg he'd be a villian right now and everyone would be looking for his head, no one would be questioning the sending off. He dived at it with both feet, studs showing, he was high and late. He looked at the player before deciding to take it on so he knew it was going to be very close and therefore he has to accept that if he doesn't make a clean tackle he risks getting a sending off.

I dont understand people saying he was high, if you are going in to win the ball, your foot needs to be as high as the ball in order to win it? thats why i believe Terry was going for the ball,

If Terry wasn't going for the ball, then it would be a lot more evident, there would be no room for debate, as you say a leg would have been broken, then send him off, then call for his head, then hand out a further ban.

The way i see it, peoples views on this will be based on how they play/played football themselves and at what level. I'm going to leave it at that anyways.

Villain

redout wrote: »

It's not a game of if's.

People who have played the game and know the game can tell when a player has tried to do a player and when a player was genuinely going for the ball, i.e. trying to do a player and missing him is worse than a player going for the ball and getting the player.

So it can be about if's

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vestanpance wrote: »

A good example is Alonso and Fabregas yesterday.

Yeah i saw that one, and that one was a 50/50 too. Fabregas got injured so are we going to call for Alonso to be banned now?

I dont see this one as any different in that sense, obviously the way Terry went in for it had potential to cause harm, but walking out on the pitch players know these things can happen,

Intention is the big thing here, and i think Terry's main intention was to get the ball, a red card was harsh for that.

redout

:DYahoo..........

Now Ballack in the book. Thought Big Phil was gonna have a heart-attack there for a minute.

ShoulderChip

I never understand arguing over stuff like this.

Bounty Hunter

im sure some people will be really critical about the ref tonight but I am really pleased to see Lamps, A.Cole, Ballack and co all getting booked for mouthing off to the ref.

Villain

In fairness Dowd couldn't have taken smaller strides

Frisbee

ShoulderChip wrote: »

I never understand arguing over stuff like this.

I don't think you really understand the beauty of football then so...
There will always be people who have different opinion's on an incident like this and I usually find the debate's very entertaining

eddiehead

LOL @ Ballacks booking, the ref is a moron

Villain

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

im sure some people will be really critical about the ref tonight but I am really pleased to see Lamps, A.Cole, Ballack and co all getting booked for mouthing off to the ref.

I think we all would be if every ref was the same sadly the next game you see you will probably players abusing the officials without any cards been given.

deisedevil

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

If Terry wasn't going for the ball, then it would be a lot more evident, there would be no room for debate, as you say a leg would have been broken, then send him off, then call for his head, then hand out a further ban.

That's crazy talk! Refs have to protect players. Players need to know before risking dangerous tackles like that that they may be sent off, that prevents broken legs, rather than punishment after a leg has been broken. Prevention is always better.

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eddiehead wrote: »

LOL @ Ballacks booking, the ref is a moron

True,

and then they miss stuff like Alex's stamp there. More of a red than terry's if you were to boil it down

ctrl-alt-delete

deisedevil wrote: »

That's crazy talk! Refs have to protect players. Players need to know before risking dangerous tackles like that that they may be sent off, that prevents broken legs, rather than punishment after a leg has been broken. Prevention is always better.

Well lets stop them before they get out onto the pitch so, it's clearly the only way,

If we are leaving it up to refs to protect players, when they are so inconsistent in their main job, i think the players are fooked :rolleyes:

redout

Lets get back to the match. Everton are crap even against 10 men. Chelsea could win this which would be a kick in the bollox.

JPA

Good save there by Cech.

Frisbee

JPA wrote: »

Good save there by Cech.

Aye, two fantastic one's in a row, he's a great keeper