Dell and Gov response

silverharp · 22-12-2008 7:36pm #1

Do politicians look stupid when they go through these dog and pony shows. Does anyone have the slightest belief that Dell will make/change billion dollar decisions based on some blarney from an Irish minister. I gather "they" even want biffo to make an appearance. Wtf is the IDA for?

Dell jobs in Limerick are under threat
Monday, 22 December 2008 15:24
Thousands of jobs at Dell's facility in Limerick could be under threat, despite a Government bid to save them.

It has been confirmed that both the Tánaiste and the Minister for Defence met senior Dell executives at the computer giant's headquarters in Texas last Monday in a bid to save 2,000 jobs at the company's Limerick factory.

The jobs are under threat by a multi-billion dollar review of Dell's worldwide operations.

The company told Tánaiste Mary Coughlan and Defence Minister Willie O'Dea that with falling demand, cost cuts would be going ahead.

In a statement last night, the Tanaiste said they were told Dell is 'continuing its internal consideration of exactly what its new strategy means for its operations in Limerick.'

The company has undertaken to 'communicate the details both to staff and to the Government as soon as it is in a position to do so', she added.

The Tánaiste and the Minister say they 'communicated to Mr Michael Dell the significant benefits that the Limerick operation brings to the company, the city and the region.'

They said the Government would provide whatever assistance they could to Dell with a view to retaining a significant Dell presence in Limerick.

For its part. the company expressed its wish to continue to work with the IDA and the Government and agreed to revert to the Tánaiste as soon as it had finalised its detailed plans for the Limerick operations.

mike65 · 22-12-2008 7:37pm

But sure isn't Michael Dell Orish?

buynow · 22-12-2008 8:04pm

It definitely looks a little strange, but they get more out of it by doing it.

They get to say they did something about and free junket!

Mr.Micro · 22-12-2008 8:28pm

Biffo and Co. can bail out Dell as well. As if Dell are going to listen to the financial incompetents of this Government with regard to financial acumen.

El Stuntman · 23-12-2008 12:22am

in the words of the Boss:

'foreman says these jobs are going boys
and they ain't coming back'

Limerick needs to look to the next source of employment and revenue. Hopefully next time, it's long-term sustainable (i.e. domestic)

on the bright side, maybe the Moustache will get voted out in the next GE.

Darsad · 23-12-2008 12:48pm

Jasus could we not have sent any one other than Coughlan and Odea
what must Michael Dell have thought of this duet !

Mr.Micro · 23-12-2008 1:04pm

Darsad wrote: »

Jasus could we not have sent any one other than Coughlan and Odea
what must Michael Dell have thought of this duet !

She was probably asleep and I doubt if Dell understood a word from O'Dea.

eamon234 · 23-12-2008 4:25pm

Dell had a meeting with staff yesterday and are very unhappy with O' Dea blabbing about 2000 jobs going they said they haven't decided yet and he had no right to say that. Even so I can't see any good outcome here....

Darragh29 · 23-12-2008 5:44pm

Darsad wrote: »

Jasus could we not have sent any one other than Coughlan and Odea
what must Michael Dell have thought of this duet !

Biffo may as well have sent over Podge & Rodge as these two idiots.

Nodin · 23-12-2008 8:54pm

About the best they can hope for is a phased closure. They'll go east spend a few years there, and then its China or India. Chasing the cheap labour and favours, presumably.

The Mighty Ken · 23-12-2008 8:57pm

Nodin wrote: »

About the best they can hope for is a phased closure. They'll go east spend a few years there, and then its China or India. Chasing the cheap labour and favours, presumably.

That's business. If you're reliant on a multi-national in order to make a living then you're house is made of cards in many ways.

sdanseo · 23-12-2008 8:57pm

Pfft, the government sent Mary Coughlan, Willie O'Dea and a begging letter. Not exactly the way to impress eh?

Useless government strikes again.

Nodin · 23-12-2008 9:00pm

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

That's business. If you're reliant on a multi-national in order to make a living then you're house is made of cards in many ways.

Yep. It's a ticking clock from day one. 10-20 years down the line, odds are the Polish will be seeing the same thing going on. Harsh though, all the same.

Cantab. · 23-12-2008 11:14pm

So when is the striking gonna start?

^These boys know how to hold the owners to ransom... A whole week of power cuts!

mikemac · 23-12-2008 11:19pm

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Pfft, the government sent Mary Coughlan, Willie O'Dea and a begging letter. Not exactly the way to impress eh?

You could have sent the finest executives Enterprise Ireland has and it wouldn't have made a difference.

Useless government strikes again.

Cantab. wrote: »

So when is the striking gonna start?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksk7EhLNYGU

^These boys know how to hold the owners to ransom... A whole week of power cuts!

fyp

I haven't even watched but I remember that first slide from Reeling in the Years, now there was a bitter and pointless strike

Why would Dell workers strike? Dare I say not all the jobs are highly skilled and there are plently of unemployed people in Limerick who happily cross a picket line to work for a few months

Cantab. · 23-12-2008 11:39pm

Cantab. wrote:

So when is the striking gonna start?

^These boys know how to hold the owners to ransom... A whole week of power cuts!

mikemac wrote: »

fyp
not all the jobs are highly skilled and there are plently of unemployed people in Limerick who happily cross a picket line to work for a few months

You reckon?! FAS had to pay for shuttle buses to get the lazy ***** who refused to work out to Dell when they first arrived.

Jonny arrives at dole office
Says to clerk I've no job and need money
Clerk says: no problem, there's a bus outside that's leaving in 20 minutes that'll give you a job in Dell
Jonny gets on bus and never looks back

And besides. I doubt the hard shaw inhabitants of Moyross have any inclination to down their knives and get a job in the local butchers any time soon.

sdanseo · 23-12-2008 11:41pm

mikemac wrote: »

fyp
I haven't even watched but I remember that first slide from Reeling in the Years, now there was a bitter and pointless strike

Why would Dell workers strike? Dare I say not all the jobs are highly skilled and there are plently of unemployed people in Limerick who happily cross a picket line to work for a few months

To clarify...when I said strikes again I didn't mean in the "not working" sense. I meant it in the literal sense.

mikemac · 23-12-2008 11:45pm

sdonn_1 wrote: »

To clarify...when I said strikes again I didn't mean in the "not working" sense. I meant it in the literal sense.

Oops

juuge · 23-12-2008 11:49pm

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Pfft, the government sent Mary Coughlan, Willie O'Dea and a begging letter. Not exactly the way to impress eh?

QUOTE] They should have sent Jackie Hely Rae and an interpreter just to prove how backward we still are in Ireland!

Liam Byrne · 24-12-2008 4:07am

Laughable! They don't bother to intervene when a company in which they are shareholders pulls out of Shannon, but they expect other companies over which they have no influence to change their plans to do something similar!!!!

Kettle, pot!! (or should that be self-serving, two-faced gob****es...)

Darragh29 · 24-12-2008 9:50am

mikemac wrote: »

fyp
I haven't even watched but I remember that first slide from Reeling in the Years, now there was a bitter and pointless strike

Why would Dell workers strike? Dare I say not all the jobs are highly skilled and there are plently of unemployed people in Limerick who happily cross a picket line to work for a few months

This talk of Dell letting go 2,000 people is really showing up our "partnership" model for what it really is.

P. Breathnach · 24-12-2008 12:18pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

This talk of Dell letting go 2,000 people is really showing up our "partnership" model for what it really is.

One might equally conclude that it shows up what big business in a free market is like.

Or you might conclude that it shows what the nature of recession is -- even a recession precipitated by the capitalists in banking systems.

Dell is having difficulties world-wide, even in economies that do not have a partnership approach.

You consistently pick on one thing that you don't like, and blame that for everything that is going wrong.

Dob74 · 24-12-2008 12:33pm

I feel sorry for the government being caught blind sided by a Muilti-National, that is going to move because it is more profitable to do so. Its an economic phenomenon know as "WHAT THE FCUK DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN" as soon as they saw more profits elsewhere.

silverharp · 24-12-2008 3:20pm

Dob74 wrote: »

I feel sorry for the government being caught blind sided by a Muilti-National, that is going to move because it is more profitable to do so. Its an economic phenomenon know as "WHAT THE FCUK DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN" as soon as they saw more profits elsewhere.

They shouldnt be blind sided though , the IDA should have years of experience with dealing with companies like fruit of the loom etc. surely they have metrics where they can work out what particular industry sectors are likey to do.
It only goes to show that the gov/civil service are just a bunch of pro cyclical trend followers, I have seen no evidence that they saw any of this coming

sovtek · 31-12-2008 3:09pm

Didn't Dell get a "loan" to the tune of several million yo yos when they came into Ireland? Thanks for the wasted money to the taxpayers expense IDA.
It's time to learn from the Latin Americans.
"Thank you very much Michael for the factory and have a safe trip back to Round Rock."

Darragh29 · 31-12-2008 4:05pm

You won't hear a mention of the "strike" word in Dell, their employees are far too institutionalised for that, and they'd all be terrified now of their redundancy being kicked down to statutory minimum now if they tried to even hold a group discussion on their future.

This is the next layer of of our economic house of cards to fall, the departure of thousands of "high tech, high skill and stable", jobs will be exposed now as in fact being, "low skill, low tech, assembly line, exportable-at-the-drop-of-a-hat-jobs"...

I've had the experience of working for a MNC in Ireland and my experience with the one I worked for, (and from what I hear, Dell isn't much different), was that it was a cult like organisation full of completely institutionalised workers, many of whom wouldn't get a job anywhere else...

Good riddance I say...

billy the squid · 31-12-2008 4:17pm

Too many companies, and indeed the whole city, put their eggs all in one basket with Dell.

As for worker unity to form a strike, it doesn't exist. Dell introduced reward schemes for people to come up with ways of saving the company money a few years ago.

The end result is that the guy sitting beside you would stab you in the back to save the company money and get the reward.

mike65 · 31-12-2008 4:23pm

White knight coming over the hill?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/highlevel-talks-held--to-secure-dell-jobs-1588564.html

Danuogma · 31-12-2008 4:32pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

You won't hear a mention of the "strike" word in Dell, their employees are far too institutionalised for that, and they'd all be terrified now of their redundancy being kicked down to statutory minimum now if they tried to even hold a group discussion on their future.

This is the next layer of of our economic house of cards to fall, the departure of thousands of "high tech, high skill and stable", jobs will be exposed now as in fact being, "low skill, low tech, assembly line, exportable-at-the-drop-of-a-hat-jobs"...

I've had the experience of working for a MNC in Ireland and my experience with the one I worked for, (and from what I hear, Dell isn't much different), was that it was a cult like organisation full of completely institutionalised workers, many of whom wouldn't get a job anywhere else...

Good riddance I say...

Very succinct summary. I wonder when all the other "high tech" workers in this country will realise that they are just as as expendable?. The more I look at the make up of our topsey turvey false economy the more I realise just how terminally f*cked it is. What have we got left?

Farming - We have no control over agricultural policy anymore, we do what the EU tells us to do.

Fishing - We gave away our fishing rights .

Natural resources- We give them away to multinational corporations for peanuts .

Homegrown Industry - practically non-existent .

Shoddy houses- who would be stupid enough to buy one now?.

British chain stores- many will F off soon enough.

The "service" sector- (call centers and the like) on their way to India.

sovtek · 31-12-2008 4:44pm

billy the squid wrote: »

The end result is that the guy sitting beside you would stab you in the back to save the company money and get the reward.

In all likelyhood that person will be out on their arse not so long after they sold everyone else out. Solidarity might start to look a little more appealing then.

Big_Mac · 31-12-2008 4:56pm

sovtek wrote: »

In all likelyhood that person will be out on their arse not so long after they sold everyone else out. Solidarity might start to look a little more appealing then.

Maybe, but it would be too late as they would already be on their arse. Hindsight is a wonderful thing

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