Mary Coughlan - Your views

Frankie Lee

luckat wrote: »

What??

All of Fianna Fáil are compromised in my eyes by the Anglo-Irish Bank bail-out. David McWilliams has a sharp piece on it here:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-mcwilliams/botched-bank-job-is-the-economics-of-noddyland-1584699.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/8ra53b

As for Harney, hasn't she said she won't stand in the next election?

Good article by McWilliams, I was under the illusion that he is an advisor for the Government but if what he says transpires it will bring down the government and in my opinion Lenihan should be lynched.

Mr.Micro

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Good article by McWilliams, I was under the illusion that he is an advisor for the Government but if what he says transpires it will bring down the government and in my opinion Lenihan should be lynched.

Modern world but banana republic economics in Ireland, with FF careful not to upset the money men, who have brought near ruin to our country. Its FF first, cronies second and the good of the country last. If we had an honours system here they would all be getting titles in the new year, for services to the country. Its this cronyism that McWilliams refers to in the Indo that will always betray Ireland. How much more damage can the likes of Batty Lenihan inflict on our economic prospects? I said weeks ago that the bankers would do a number on him and they have. His Auntie Mary would do a better job.

CtrlSource

Darsad wrote: »

Gormley and Ryan come on get a grip I really hope and i firmly believe the Greens will go the way of the PD's after the next election which cant happen soon enough for this country!

Haha, good luck with that!

As for Ms Coughlan without question the worst tanaiste if not in the history of the state then certainly in living memory.

Exaggeration much?

What must Michael Dell have though of our high power delegration of Coughlan and the tash ODea probably reaffirmed his resolve to pull out. Now were been asked to Send Cowen over that will really annoy him.

Yes, i'm sure we're all very concerned about hurting poor Michael Dell's feelings right now

luckat

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Its this cronyism that McWilliams refers to in the Indo that will always betray Ireland.

As long as we choose constituency politics, this will be so. Everyone who rings up the local TD rather than letting civil servants do their jobs (for instance when you lose a passport and need a replacement quickly) is backing this tribalist model of politics.

Zuiderzee

Thats if the civil servants do their job, Galway is dire - with the whole Stroke mularky, never mind the planning regulations in the west.

Dont bother to apply for planning permission, it seems to be refuse as policy first time out, instead, to save money, just build the waht you want and apply for retention - via your local FF TD of course.

As for getting a passport overseas - avoid the Embassy in the Hague, notoriously bad.

As for Mary Coughlan -
Mary Coughlan = FF = same ****e different wrapper,

and we keep electing them

dresden8

Zuiderzee wrote: »

Thats if the civil servants do their job, Galway is dire - with the whole Stroke mularky, never mind the planning regulations in the west.

Dont bother to apply for planning permission, it seems to be refuse as policy first time out, instead, to save money, just build the waht you want and apply for retention - via your local FF TD of course.

As for getting a passport overseas - avoid the Embassy in the Hague, notoriously bad.

As for Mary Coughlan -
Mary Coughlan = FF = same ****e different wrapper,

and we keep electing them

Local politics/government is not the civil service. It's a distinction many deliberately refuse to make. After the next clear-out of the civil service central government will be crippled.

That's the thing to remember when all these people call for "real decentralisation" to the local level.

The real corruption and scope for money making, i.e. planning, is in local politics, not national.

Mr.Micro

dresden8 wrote: »

The real corruption and scope for money making, i.e. planning, is in local politics, not national

Spot on dresden8. No matter what tribunals we have had in the past it made no difference to corruption at local level. I for one would be very reluctant to devolve more power to local authorities in their present form and structure. IMO it would be a receipe for disaster and as it is they are virtually unaccountable.

Húrin

Cantab. wrote: »

Norris and Gormley in a "Dream Team"?

Are you guys taking the piss?

I agree, Gormley seems to be incapabale of acting unless he is surrounded by a cabinet of fellow Greens. Might as well give Norris a shot. I would put Tony Gregory in there too.

Húrin

Darsad wrote: »

Sorry Cant see it all this clown has managed to do is destroy the motor industry and cost the exchequer millions in the process with his CO2 tax changes. I have a house I cant sell and to add to mine and anybody elses difficulties from from Jan 1st this idiot is going to cost me almost a grand and probably more to have the house energy rated and then make what ever fcuking changes the ratings auditor recommends to achieve a better rating as its a 40 yr old house . Cant wait for these tossres to knock on my door for the local elections which will probably be the same door as the one im at today tks to the snots.

Wah, blame everyone else.

Abraham

Peoples' notions of the quality of their politicians are largely based on the way they are portrayed in the media. And the most influential factor in that regard is the friendship (or lack of it) that obtains between the politicians and the daily scribes.
You can be a brilliant politician and work very hard but if you do not present well to the media, you will suffer for that in the long run, no question.
In other words, the politician needs the media to carry him/her and the message to the public in some palatable way. If not.....trouble.

Ministries don't necessarily go to the ablest available in any party.

A far bigger consideration is the distribution of the ministerial portfolios in order to placate the local grassroots who must be made to feel each day that they have their man/woman in the inner sanctum. In fact, there is no bigger consideration in awarding the jobs to the Ministers.

Not to have given the Ministerial job to MC would have had the following effect. The Donegal people would have turned against the rest of the country as they pointed out to all and sundry that: "'tis all about Dublin now and the Midlands and Cork & Kerry & Limerick (they all got Mercs) and nothing for Donegal,....we're up here in the back of the beyonds sustained by socialist priests and broken down subversives with no industrial base, a derelict fishing industry and a weak agricultural base. And we up here beside the emerging NI economy where so many of us actually go to work and where the money is going to be pumped bigtime.
There's nothing thought of us anymore, we are the forgotten people.
We'll have to do a lot more of the shopping up there if that's how we're going to be treated..."

BC begat MC politically in those circumstances and that's an absolute certainty. He was boxing clever as best he could with a dawning realisation as each day passed that a treacherous tidal wave was on it's way.

There are a few other influential factors of less import but 'location - location - location' is the main one accounting for the appointment.

The_Conductor

Much as I hate to say it- there is a large element of truth in what you're saying. I would have to qualify that however with an observation that the perception is that the current government is anti-Dublin rather than anti- anywhere else......

Mr.Micro

Not to have given the Ministerial job to MC would have had the following effect. The Donegal people would have turned against the rest of the country

Ah come on now, why should the rest of the country suffer for the sake of keeping Donegal sweet? I hope there was more to it than that in appointing MC as number 2, but probably not its probably that simple.

The_Conductor

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Ah come on now, why should the rest of the country suffer for the sake of keeping Donegal sweet? I hope there was more to it than that in appointing MC as number 2, but probably not its probably that simple.

Parochial politics are the bane of the country- by rights every Minister- once appointed, should represent the country, and not their constituency- but thats not the case. In every single case- its what can our man (or woman) bring home for us?....... Its really ridiculous.

Darsad

Húrin wrote: »

Wah, blame everyone else.

I am not blaming everybody else on the two issues i raised I a very clear in blaming the Greens and Gormley !
I think there may be plenty of plenty of D4 BMW drivers who gave Gormley a comfort vote last time out bet if their jobs are on the line next time they go to the polls they wont be giving him one !!

jmayo

smccarrick wrote: »

Much as I hate to say it- there is a large element of truth in what you're saying. I would have to qualify that however with an observation that the perception is that the current government is anti-Dublin rather than anti- anywhere else......

I think you will find that the current government is anti Ireland but pro banker, pro developer and very much pro themselves :mad:
Perhaps FF should take back their old more suitable label of Sinn Fein :rolleyes:

Abraham

I reckon that Enda & Co must thank the Lord every single day, that they failed in their last General Election outing. Just imagine, all this odium would be piled on them and nobody better equipped to do just that than the FF brigade. All of this misery would be attributable to "the Coalition" and the end result would be annihilation for the second string of the lands political representatives for a very long time. FF would be in opposition with all the answers and once again the people showed woeful timing.

Enda, somebody up there likes you !

The_Conductor

Abraham wrote: »

I reckon that Enda & Co must thank the Lord every single day, that they failed in their last General Election outing. Just imagine, all this odium would be piled on them and nobody better equipped to do just that than the FF brigade. All of this misery would be attributable to "the Coalition" and the end result would be annihilation for the second string of the lands political representatives for a very long time. FF would be in opposition with all the answers and once again the people showed woeful timing.

Enda, somebody up there likes you !

Lol- that and the schadenfreude that they seem to be allowing themselves to enjoy......

Darragh29

This dopey bint has written an article for the Irish Times today, which speaks volumes about her sheer inability to do anything right...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2008/1230/1230581467079.html

More of the same rubbish, we have to wait for effective leadership from outside of our jurisdiction to emerge before someone else causes a rising tide in a global sea that will very conveniently lift our overladen economic boat. The best that this idiot can contribute to the current calamity, is to suggest to us that we wait for the upturn. I don't know what problems were every resolved by sitting around on your arse and waiting for your neighbour to fix your problems for you...

galwayrush

PlantPot wrote: »

Never even heard of this little muppet until she followed BIFFO out on his first day.

I said "who is the little tart dressed in bright pink, appearing to be having "her time"".

A little dumb bitch, although she appears to have the right contacts, how else would she get that job.

Apparently she is Biffo's drinking buddy.;)
That is the only reason she's where she is.:mad:

Darragh29

PlantPot wrote: »

Never even heard of this little muppet until she followed BIFFO out on his first day.

I said "who is the little tart dressed in bright pink, appearing to be having "her time"".

A little dumb bitch, although she appears to have the right contacts, how else would she get that job.

An idiot with a big gob. She can keep repeating the mantra "we must wait for the upturn, we must wait for the upturn, we must wait for the upturn...", until she is blue in the face, the biggest problem we have right now is that confidence is gone. It's like an infection spreading through the country, businesses have no confidence and more importantly, consumers who trade with businesses have no confidence.

If this mindset that has taken over the country was properly understood and managed better, and some basic fu*king political leadership was provided, positive consumer sentiment would return.

You'll see it happening in the US, when Obama becomes president, you won't see them sitting in a pool of their own p*ss sobbing and waiting for the Gods to act in their favour! You can see him doing it already, inspiring people, motivating folks, getting them ready to continue upwards and onwards, to put their shoulder to the wheel and get back in the game.

Our politically equivilent of The Muppet Show, don't understand even the fundamentals of leadership, how to inspire people, how to motivate people, how to make quick effective decisions and most importantly, how to listen to the country...

This is the kind of detached from reality mentality I'm seeing at the moment....

nesf

PlantPot wrote: »

Never even heard of this little muppet until she followed BIFFO out on his first day.

I said "who is the little tart dressed in bright pink, appearing to be having "her time"".

A little dumb bitch, although she appears to have the right contacts, how else would she get that job.

Banned for two weeks. Troll elsewhere.

CtrlSource

Darsad wrote: »

I am not blaming everybody else on the two issues i raised I a very clear in blaming the Greens and Gormley !
I think there may be plenty of plenty of D4 BMW drivers who gave Gormley a comfort vote last time out bet if their jobs are on the line next time they go to the polls they wont be giving him one !!

So, you blame the Greens for 1) destroying the motor industry and 2) the fact that you can't shift your house (which you contend is going to be made more difficult by the energy directive)?

Firstly, the motor industry has not been destroyed by the Road Tax changes. It has suffered as a result of the very rapid decline in the economy. There was a huge boom in vehicle sales over the past decade and now both commercial fleet buyers and private motorists are holding off on changing their cars. There are also a large number of repos sitting out in suburban parking lots waiting to be flogged at knockdown prices.

The above has nothing to do with Green Party policy. If you have evidence that supports your thesis, please present it. The motor industry has not been destroyed.

As for your property sale; you're hardly the only on in Ireland in that boat now are you? i would support a delay in the implementation of the directive for a period (6 months - 1 year) to hopefully allow the market to bottom out, before putting vendors to the extra expense of getting a rating. But even that would only be a political gesture.

In principle, the state of the housing market has nothing to do with whether buyers should have the right to see how much a property is going to cost to heat. Just like you look for the energy rating on a washing machine or fridge when you go to buy one.

i see no reason why those D4 BMW drivers (:rolleyes:) would feel any less comfortable voting Green again, based on the "issues" you raised.

What's all this got to do with Mary Coughlan anyway? lol