Humanity must be saved from homosexuality - Pope

K-9

brianthebard wrote: »

Thats what we call a class issue.

Yep normally, but I'm talking about N. Ireland which isn't normal when it comes to class issues!

The Protestant Churches used the Orange Order to keep the Unions down. Why? To keep the Catholics down!

That IS a Sectarian issue.

Nodin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I wish homosexuality was fashionable when I was younger, it might have been easier for me to pick up women with less competition around

Sure it was just a matter of fashion, you'd have had more ports to dock in......Certainly my christmas would be more lively one way or another....

Fratton Fred

Nodin wrote: »

Sure it was just a matter of fashion, you'd have had more ports to dock in......Certainly my christmas would be more lively one way or another....

any port in a storm....any holes a goal...:eek::D

brianthebard

Seanies32 wrote: »

Yep normally, but I'm talking about N. Ireland which isn't normal when it comes to class issues!

The Protestant Churches used the Orange Order to keep the Unions down. Why? To keep the Catholics down!

That IS a Sectarian issue.

Religion and class conflict aren't exclusive to the north, and sectarianism isn't restricted to religion.

Kold

He believes in the zombie son of a supernatural being too. How is this surprising?

K-9

brianthebard wrote: »

Religion and class conflict aren't exclusive to the north, and sectarianism isn't restricted to religion.

Don't know were I said that it was? I am talking about the context that was referred to earlier in the thread.

Anything else to add on what I actually posted, or are you just going to read more stuff into my posts that I haven't said?

tiny-nioclas

Surprise surprise, the catholic popes and catholic people in general have always had these fascist religious beliefs, nothing to be shocked over, there is no place in society for people like those anymore, there beliefs are primitive and the world is moving on without them.

Good riddance.

Galvasean

Look at him... preaching hatred from his tower!

Fratton Fred

tiny-nioclas wrote: »

Surprise surprise, the catholic popes and catholic people in general have always had these fascist religious beliefs, nothing to be shocked over, there is no place in society for people like those anymore, there beliefs are primitive and the world is moving on without them.

Good riddance.

I don't think Catholic people have held fascist beliefs, but my observations of the "Older" generation is that they have a blind acceptance of everything the Pope says, without any question.

blinding

If your leader is descriminating nazi idiot what does that make his followers.

The nazi's were an evil cult that liked to single out other people declare them different and therefore justify all there evil actions.

I think this pope was paying a lot more attention at those Hitler youth movement meetings than he has been letting on.

Galvasean

blinding wrote: »

If your leader is descriminating nazi idiot what does that make his followers.

The nazi's were an evil cult that liked to single out other people declare them different and therefore justify all there evil actions.

Interesting. When Hitler was in power although he was clearly evil many of his followers were not and merely 'following orders'. Could the same be said of the CC?

blinding

Galvasean wrote: »

Interesting. When Hitler was in power although he was clearly evil many of his followers were not and merely 'following orders'. Could the same be said of the CC?

It would be good if we could learn from the mistakes of the past and not allow ourselves to be manipulated by a new generation of miscreants.

When you see leaders villifying and demonising one group then our warning lights must flash and we must examine the motives of the villifiers

This is an effort by this pope to save his dying church and by identfing a common enemy(victim) he hopes to mobilize this rescue.
He is not worried about a few casualties along the way.
How very un- christian of him but unfortunately christianity comes a poor second to retaining the power of the catholic church.

The_Minister

tiny-nioclas wrote: »

Surprise surprise, the catholic popes and catholic people in general have always had these fascist religious beliefs, nothing to be shocked over, there is no place in society for people like those anymore, there beliefs are primitive and the world is moving on without them.

Good riddance.

I hope someday to be rich enough to rent advertising time on every Western tv station at prime time; five minutes will do.

I will then proceed to broadcast the definiton of fascist over and over again, in as many different ways as possible, to stop everyone labelling every belief that they do not like as fascist.

Fratton Fred

blinding wrote: »

When you see leaders villifying and demonising one group then our warning lights must flash and we must examine the motives of the villifiers

By Pastor Martin Niemollor

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

marcsignal

Galvasean wrote: »

Interesting. When Hitler was in power although he was clearly evil many of his followers were not and merely 'following orders'. Could the same be said of the CC?

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raah!

I don't see why ye're all attacking that poor darragh fellow's "some people are gay because it's fashionable statement", as though it were some filthy absurdity.

When it is infact ambiguous enough to garauntee a few cases (some) where it's true. Saying that it's "the most stupid thing you've ever read" is really only a reflection on your own stupidity, and the general inclination of people to brand everything that isn't politically correct to the last syllable as being the most horrible racism

Eoin

blinding wrote: »

If your leader is descriminating nazi idiot what does that make his followers.

The nazi's were an evil cult that liked to single out other people declare them different and therefore justify all there evil actions.

I think this pope was paying a lot more attention at those Hitler youth movement meetings than he has been letting on.

What absolute rubbish. Perhaps you can apply that to the Schutzstaffel, but not the everyday German citizens.

Believe it or not, Nazi Germany was a scary time for their people too - they had no idea what would happen to them if they didn't at least publicly support the Nazi regime.

Darragh29

raah! wrote: »

I don't see why ye're all attacking that poor darragh fellow's "some people are gay because it's fashionable statement", as though it were some filthy absurdity.

When it is infact ambiguous enough to garauntee a few cases (some) where it's true. Saying that it's "the most stupid thing you've ever read" is really only a reflection on your own stupidity, and the general inclination of people to brand everything that isn't politically correct to the last syllable as being the most horrible racism

I have gay friends and I also know gay people who I know socially, as in I'd have a pint and a chat with them in the pub but I wouldn't have their number in my mobile. People I'd have a chat with in a social setting...

I think that all gay people can be put into one of two categories...

Now, in my humble opinion, the genuinely gay people I know (category A gay people), some of who are my friends, I can have a conversation with just like any of my other friends, we can relate to each other and discuss anything, just like a normal conversation with any other person.

Then we have gay people who I consider fall into category B. These people seem to suffer from some sort of catastrophic identity crisis, they don't know who they are or what they are, they know they are gay, but they have no personality of their own. They act overtly camp, can't have a conversation with you about anything other than their own gayness and gay sex.

They rely on this false sense of identity and an imported personality to get through life, I personally find this false, if they are gay, big deal, be gay, but also be yourself, have your own personality and your own views and share them. Don't just be this camp drama queen that can only talk about being gay... If this is what the pope is saying we need to get away from, well he has my vote. As for genuinely gay people, leave them alone!

I know more gay people who I'd put into this category than I'd put into the former category.

blinding

eoin wrote: »

What absolute rubbish. Perhaps you can apply that to the Schutzstaffel, but not the everyday German citizens.

Believe it or not, Nazi Germany was a scary time for their people too - they had no idea what would happen to them if they didn't at least publicly support the Nazi regime.

I was aiming at the nazi followers

Next you will tell us that Hitler did it all on his own

Hub

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Ya shoulda listened to Cromwell guys

Cromwell was an extreme religious nut job, a puritan that wanted to ban singing and acts of people enjoying themselves

Terry

Deepsense wrote: »

Im surprised that Gareth37 hasnt joined in yet ...I htough this would be right up his street. A chance to save a 1000 souls

Wait for it...

Dragan wrote: »

I'm not entirely sure but it's possible that his special brand of bull**** has gotten him banned.

Yep, but only until this time tomorrow.

brianthebard wrote: »

That's not a faith thing, its a class issue. But I'm guessing your username doesn't refer to your age and you have a particular agenda here...

Dude,there's no harm in wanting a 32 county Ireland.

Dudess wrote: »

Yep, true.

How were they turned?

Wo... he didn't actually "go" gay though. I mean, was he really having sex with men? He may have "acted" gay but that's hardly a threat, which Darragh29 seemed to be implying it was... A young guy (very young more than likely) who genuinely fancies women but decides to act gay for a bit (because he's a muppet) will grow out of that and won't be a threat to the survival of the species.

I know a guy who went gay for a while.
He came out on the front page of the Sunday World.

He's now married and has one child.

True story.

Terry

Hub wrote: »

Cromwell was an extreme religious nut job, a puritan that wanted to ban singing and acts of people enjoying themselves

Probably best to keep reading before commenting.

311

What about all the freaks with rubber faces in Hollywood ,jesus probably had gay friends anyways ,doubt he'd have anything to do with some of the yokes you see on tv.

marcsignal

Not agreeing with Ratzinger, but....

wiki : current authoritative bodies and doctrines of the world's largest religions generally view homosexuality negatively. This can range from quietly discouraging homosexual activity, to explicitly forbidding same-sex sexual practices among adherents and actively opposing social acceptance of homosexuality.

......if were going to have a go at Ratzinger, we have to have a go at the other church leaders too.

herya

<3BeingIN6th wrote: »

I know a guy who went gay for a while.
He came out on the front page of the Sunday World.

He's now married and has one child.

True story.

Bisexual anyone? I guess it's actually easier to get confused about your sexuality when you have a choice of girls or boys and I know bisexuals can switch between them easily, I knew a girl who was a devoted les in her 20s and she's had a boyfriend for a couple of years now. She was a bi though and I find it hard to believe that a 100% straight person would force themselves to "go gay" just to be fashionable.

ShooterSF

I think I've seen it all now. The speech has come under attack from a group of Homosexual Catholics. Homosexual Catholics, ranks up there with Jewish Nazis, Black KKK members and Irish BNP members surely.
Why be a member of a group who quite openly dislike you (or your actions)?

Pub07

The pople says humanity must be saved from homosexuality yet his own clergy have been riding young lads up and down this country for god knows how long. Even the ones that haven't are probably gay too, either that or they are mentally unstable as how else does a red-blooded heterosexual male pass up the opportunity to have sex with women in favour of wearing a dress and repeating the same lines of text from a book written centuries ago week in week out.

Marcus.Aurelius

ShooterSF wrote: »

I think I've seen it all now. The speech has come under attack from a group of Homosexual Catholics. Homosexual Catholics, ranks up there with Jewish Nazis, Black KKK members and Irish BNP members surely.
Why be a member of a group who quite openly dislike you (or your actions)?

You get to eat the body of Christ every day. Surely that's a bit ghey anyway for a dude. :pac:

Hub

ShooterSF wrote: »

I think I've seen it all now. The speech has come under attack from a group of Homosexual Catholics. Homosexual Catholics, ranks up there with Jewish Nazis, Black KKK members and Irish BNP members surely.
Why be a member of a group who quite openly dislike you (or your actions)?

lol The bnp were recruiting in Ireland not so long ago. Would be more fitting if you put muslim bnp members

4zn76tysfajdxp

The_Minister wrote: »

I hope someday to be rich enough to rent advertising time on every Western tv station at prime time; five minutes will do.

I will then proceed to broadcast the definiton of fascist over and over again, in as many different ways as possible, to stop everyone labelling every belief that they do not like as fascist.

Facist.

Mr. Presentable

He's right in a way. If we were all exclusively homosexual there'd be no more human race.

Puddleduck

nipplenuts wrote: »

He's right in a way. If we were all exclusively homosexual there'd be no more human race.

Yea but then the straights would be the gays.

Either way, the church spouts alot of bollox, its a bit like having a crazy aunt that talks nonsence and is little more than backround noise at this stage

Terry

nipplenuts wrote: »

He's right in a way. If we were all exclusively homosexual there'd be no more human race.

Turkey baster.

Pride Fighter

In the unlikely event everyone on earth suddenly became gay most couples would still want to have kids. As a result there would be mass surrogacy of children and the human race would survive.

TBH I think the Pope is just angry that gay people are getting action, whether that be cock and bum fun or vag fun. It is more than he will ever get.

Darragh29

nipplenuts wrote: »

He's right in a way. If we were all exclusively homosexual there'd be no more human race.

That's my point, if we take homosexuality to it's logical conclusion, then there is no more of humanity.

Maybe this guy has the answer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e647x8xFKTs

meditraitor

The Pope is a moron .<

Nodin

Darragh29 wrote: »

That's my point, if we take homosexuality to it's logical conclusion, then there is no more of humanity.

Maybe this guy has the answer!

Seeing as hes a rabid old git with about 50 followers & also has Jews and Catholics on his hate list, I'd say the only thing he has is a head full of ****e, meself.

dan719

Darragh29 wrote: »

That's my point, if we take homosexuality to it's logical conclusion, then there is no more of humanity.

Maybe this guy has the answer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e647x8xFKTs

What is homosexualitys 'logical conclusion'?

Why does the acceptance of homosexuals mean everyone has to gay?

And if you think Fred Phelps has the right idea you have more problems then anyone can help you with.

the_syco

dny123456 wrote: »

Catholic church is a multimillion-multinational business.

This is just a marketing ploy, wouldn't get excited about it to be honest. Most sane people will see through it... I hope!

Most sane people wouldn't give money to an organisation that sponsors kiddie fiddlers.

[rant]
Oh, and if someone mentioned immaculate conception now, the husband would just leave her, calling her a whore. Back then, they wrote a book about it, claiming it was a miracle.
[/rant]

Phototoxin

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Originally Posted by SEPT 23 1989 View Post
this is coming from a guy who served in the Hitler youth
All christian boys his age under the nazis had to - they'd no say in the matter.

he also did his best to avoid it supposedly. Calling him a nazi only distracts from the credibility of the accusers.

For the record, I don't agree with him, although I'd call myself a non-practising/half-believing Catholic (if that even exists ), but he and other practising Catholics are free to think and believe what they want.
If you disagree with one or more of the Catholic churches' core beliefs then are you still a Catholic though? I don't think free thinking is part of the Catholic deal.

Bingo... its all or nothing technically. And while many people dont believe in purgatory anymore its still there. In addition you have to believe in certain infallible things.
It makes it very difficult. The RCC has lots of nice things but you must accept it all or nothing which is a bit totalitarian.

If you're Catholic then the Pope's word is infallibale(sp?) it's not up for debate.

the pope is only infallible on issues of faith and morals and only if speaking infallibly which he does not do that often.

Actually for most of it's existance and still in places around the world today the Catholic Church has Missions who's sole goal is to supplant local religious practices with the Catholic Church.

And at many times in history this was done with Military backing.

so was protestantism, islam and judaism...

That would be my line on paedophiles - I can't stop your desires, thats for you to work out yourself, but act on them, touch a child, and it becomes my business.

how is it your business ? unless your a guard or the kids parents its not yours.

Protestantism seems to be the way forward... the only problem is that its based on a book just like islam or judaism... and the bible's validity come from a Catholic council... its all a very confusing situation.

Loco

Hes dead right! Lets cure all the wounded!

aidan24326

Pope Benedict wrote:

I am a complete idiot

.

Acacia

raah! wrote: »

I don't see why ye're all attacking that poor darragh fellow's "some people are gay because it's fashionable statement", as though it were some filthy absurdity.

When it is infact ambiguous enough to garauntee a few cases (some) where it's true. Saying that it's "the most stupid thing you've ever read" is really only a reflection on your own stupidity, and the general inclination of people to brand everything that isn't politically correct to the last syllable as being the most horrible racism

Eh, can you explain what the term 'racism' actually means? Because it doesn't make a lot of sense in the context you have used it in.

And people attacked his statement because it is an absurdity. People who are actually gay don't 'act gay' because it's fashionable, they do so because they are sexually attracted to the same sex. The type of people who pretend to be something they are not because it's fashionable are just that - pretending. They could pretend to be vampires or vegetarians too. What's the point of complaining about it really? It's a ridiculous argument for discrediting homosexuality.

Furthermore, the notion that 'if we take homosexuality to its logical conclusion then we're fúcked' is rubbish. How does letting gay people live their lives however they see fit result in the entire human race becoming gay? How is that in anyway logical? Newsflash: there have been homosexuals for hundreds,nay, thousands, of years. And the human race hasn't died off yet.

tech77

Can't believe this kind of irrelevant cloud-cuckoo-land statement can still generate a 10 page thread in boards.
The pope would make a good troll.

Bobo78

Irishcrx wrote: »

Well....If you define a disease as a "abnormal condition of an organism" and i've heard it said before that homosexuality in cases can be caused by a hormonal inbalance in one's body from birth...and I have heard arguements that would descripe that as a disease.

I agree with you.

spurious

nipplenuts wrote: »

He's right in a way. If we were all exclusively homosexual there'd be no more human race.

If we were all celibates there'd be no more human race.

Darragh29

dan719 wrote: »

What is homosexualitys 'logical conclusion'?

Why does the acceptance of homosexuals mean everyone has to gay?

And if you think Fred Phelps has the right idea you have more problems then anyone can help you with.

I don't agree with Fred Phelps, I was just widening the discussion by referring to him.

What I'm asking here is, if you accept homosexuality as being perfectly normal, at what point do you start to say that it is a danger to humankind, because we do know that if everyone was gay in 1000 years time, humankind would be a lot worse off for it. So at what point do we press the stop button???

thelordofcheese

Darragh29 wrote: »

I don't agree with Fred Phelps, I was just widening the discussion by referring to him.

What I'm asking here is, if you accept homosexuality as being perfectly normal, at what point do you start to say that it is a danger to humankind, because we do know that if everyone was gay in 1000 years time, humankind would be a lot worse off for it. So at what point do we press the stop button???

I'm going to go with never.

What makes you think that
A] The proportion of people in the word that are gay is climbing
B] That you can simply "press the stop button"
C] That you're making any sense.

I think the idea that we'll buttfuck our species to extinction (literally) is just beyond stupid.

Darragh29

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I'm going to go with never.

What makes you think that
A] The proportion of people in the word that are gay is climbing
B] That you can simply "press the stop button"
C] That you're making any sense.

I think the idea that we'll buttfuck our species to extinction (literally) is just beyond stupid.

How is it beyond stupid??? It was only a few short years ago that homosexual acts were a criminal offence on the Irish statute book! Now if I see two gays lads wearing each other in a pub, I'd barely notice! You'd be f*cked out of a pub for this only a few years ago! Go back a few more years and you'd be arrested for it.

There has been a huge drive to normalise gay culture in the EU and by extension, in Ireland, which I don't have an inherent problem with. I have gay friends that I respect. I also however see more gay people who are completely lost as people and decide to be gay because it is the one thing that gives them a vehicle through which they can define themselves. These people, when they are in your company, only want to talk about how gay they are and what they do in the bedroom. These people in my opinion need help. And I mean that seriously, they need genuine help.

thelordofcheese

Darragh29 wrote: »

How is it beyond stupid??? It was only a few short years ago that homosexual acts were a criminal offence on the Irish statute book! Now if I see two gays lads wearing each other in a pub, I'd barely notice! You'd be f*cked out of a pub for this only a few years ago! Go back a few more years and you'd be arrested for it.

What makes you think that because it was illegal that homosexuality didn't exist?

Darragh29 wrote: »

There has been a huge drive to normalise gay culture in the EU and by extension, in Ireland, which I don't have an inherent problem with. I have gay friends that I respect. I also however see more gay people who are completely lost as people and decide to be gay because it is the one thing that gives them a vehicle through which they can define themselves. These people, when they are in your company, only want to talk about how gay they are and what they do in the bedroom. These people in my opinion need help. And I mean that seriously, they need genuine help.

Some people feel the need to define themselves by pretty narrow constraints. For some it's religion, or sports, or their sexuality.
That behaviour is nothing to do with their orientation, i don't know why you're attempting to make that link.