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Is religion obsolete?

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  • #152
    MatthewVII
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭MatthewVII


    kelly1 wrote: »

    My point is that the conscious decision not to kill someone, especially if there is a strong temptation to do so, is made possible by God's grace. Without God's grace we would commit the murder without hesitation.

    I think this is what happened in the case of the Nazi's where they supressed God's grace to such an extent that they became murdering monsters.

    I fail to see your justification of this point. Without God's grace we would commit murder without hesitation?

    Reasons we wouldn't do it that have nothing to do with god:
    1) Imprisonment
    2) Bringing shame on family
    3) A criminal record which would ruin our future if we ever got out of prison
    4) Leaving behind dependants

    All of these hinge on conscience being god-given, which I don't believe is correct either. Conscience is just a sense we have that we can expect to be treated better by others if we treat them well. It's an interpersonal co-operation which ensures better chance of survival and success, not god's grace channeling through is.

    The Nazi atrocities had nothing to do with "god's grace" or the lack thereof, it was simple hatred, xenophobia and superiority which was extolled by a small number of people and managed to gain foothold in a social climate of fear and uncertainty.

    Hatred is human. That does not mean that not hating is divine.


  • #153
    Deicida
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Deicida


    BrianCalgary wrote: »
    2) They got their ideas from their own minds and then try to use the Bible as justification for what they do, while ignoring the parts of the Bible that tell them that which they want is wrong.

    Exactly! What they do may not be the true intentions of the Bible but this is what religion has been used for, fear and control. You probably wont see this in the Ballypatrick local parish mass of a Sunday but it's one of the main reason Roman Catholics and other religions are so popular today.

    In Medieval times the Church dominated everyones lives. Almost all the people believed in Heaven and Hell and the only way to get into heaven was if the Church let them. In mass they would have been taught the terrorizing horrors that awaited them in Hell if they did not obey the Church. The peasants worked for the Church for free and had to pay them taxes (tithes) so the Church was nice and wealthy.

    Nearly all of the peasants wouldn't have been able to read the Bible so the were depending on their religious leaders to teach them but they were just taken advantage of.


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