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Talleshin thanks for that--No need to respond now
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Seriously though and I said this in my other post--I really prefer not to mod the forum too harshly as it does seem to run quite smoothly without it.
Helena if you want Ill start modding it a bit more harshly and infract for every breach of charter and god help me if them redneck hunters come back and start a shooting their mouths off about shooting fluffy bunnies again (sarcasm before some hunters complain about me)0 -
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What do you mean? When richie got back from hols he didn't ignore it, but until he was back, the other mods of the forum ignored what I was saying. They were all gone, for about 2 weeks, at the same time?If a tree falls in a forest, and nobody is there, is it being ignored?Ideally, moderators should have to do nothing whatsoever. It's not an ideal that often happens, but it is the ideal.
But they managed to be active enough to infract you so clearly this isn't an issue. Ah but it is, and this is my whole point, how do they have time to do that when regular posters are leaving the forum due to the lack of moderating? Again, I will point out, the infraction is not bothering me as much as the fact that an infraction was given for something very small when other, more important issues are being ignored.
I mean a constructive disagreement without picking up on tones. Like sarcasm in text etc.No. See?.
And it has done but lately things have not been going so smoothly. I post regularly, I've gotten to know a few of the regular posters. I genuinely care about the forum, and it has not been the same lately.Seriously though and I said this in my other post--I really prefer not to mod the forum too harshly as it does seem to run quite smoothly without it.Helena if you want Ill start modding it a bit more harshly and infract for every breach of charter and god help me if them redneck hunters come back and start a shooting their mouths off about shooting fluffy bunnies again (sarcasm before some hunters complain about me)
Not more harshly, just a bit more hands on and in perspective on what is and is not important. Why infract for every breach? What about the ones that are a genuine problem, like cruelty or abusive posts etc.
I'm not complaining about "bunny shooters" at all.
Should I not have bothered reporting the scam? All I got was hassle from it, personal abuse from the boardsie in question, one mod saying she doesn't care and then today another saying it's none of my business.
Surely, if a poster knows of or suspects something illegal going on, they need to report it and be assured that it is being looked after? I did not want to know what was happening, just that it was being looked after, I thought it was when the charter was changed. I sent a PM thanking them for looking after it.
Then Bond posted saying she doesn't care and people were not to PM her about the forum or what happens via PM(I can't remember the exact phrasing but basicially this was the jist). That is not right. I could very easily have not bothered reporting this scam, in fact it would have saved me a lot of heart ache to not report what had happened to me IRL with this poster and the fact it could easily happen with other forum users.
I'm not disputing that.Clarity is relative to the reader. It's as clear as it needs to be, as it's not a rule book as I have already told you. It's a guide.0 -
Actually, I was on 'holiday' at the time.helena.ryan wrote: »What do you mean? When richie got back from hols he didn't ignore it, but until he was back, the other mods of the forum ignored what I was saying. They were all gone, for about 2 weeks, at the same time?
One poster so far... maybe... according to you. Kindly post the username (they said it was okay.) I'd like to look at their Reported posts. Ah but it is, and this is my whole point, how do they have time to do that when regular posters are leaving the forum due to the lack of moderating?
And I'm telling you: Stuff that you think is small will be enforced, stuff you think is major will be ignored. Why? Because the moderation has to be flexible, and you're not the best judge of what should/shouldn't be enforced. Why does it go against the charter? Because it has to be flexible; the charter is a template. The core issue here is that you're confused by what is/isn't enforced. There isn't much we can do about that except suggest that you keep watching and finding out until you get a better grip on the situation.Again, I will point out, the infraction is not bothering me as much as the fact that an infraction was given for something very small when other, more important issues are being ignored.
Keep reporting posts, and you'll get feedback when / where possible. Don't expect much. I only respond to the more obvious abuses. The reported posts for A & PI are often insane. So much is "offensive to the users of the forum" it's unreal.
I know. See.I mean a constructive disagreement without picking up on tones. Like sarcasm in text etc.
ED: Looking through Reported Posts: Two reports took ~1 day to be acted on (These were around Christmas, mind you). Otherwise, reported posts are dealt with within hours (Quite often within minutes.) It seems like we're covered for moderation. Moderators don't need to post in threads; in fact, for every one of you complaining a mod doesn't post enough, there are ten complaining they post too much and several PM'ing that they're leaving because of it,etc.)0 -
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LOL - check out this post complaining about sexism against dogs...
And don't forget that I was reported for posting a photo of my dog with an ERECTION!.
I'm not getting involved too much in this thread as I won't be using the Animals and Pets forum again, or at least until such a time that the listed Moderators there begin to play an active and positive role in the forum again.
Rules are inconsistantly enforced, despite the forums charters giving an air of zero tolerance towards members breaking them. Now I consider 'rules are for the obdience of fools and the guidence of wisemen (& women these days :rolleyes: ) but don't come accross as having a zero tolerance policy and then enforcing the rules 'carte blanche.
This leads to a lack of confidence in the Mods from the people who have a real and genuine interest in using the forum.
Now it can not be disputed that the Moderators of the Animal and Pets forum have taken their eye off the ball in recent months, thats not to say their bad people or bad moderators as real life HAS to take precedence over your internet lives.
But its got to the stage there now that people with genuine concern's for their animals risk personal redicule and attack for posting quiries pertaining to their animals health, welfare and well being.
That has to be addressed IMO, and it has to be addressed immediately.As for regulars leaving because of lack of moderation--I dont see any of them posting in this thread.
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helena.ryan wrote: »What do you mean? When richie got back from hols he didn't ignore it, but until he was back, the other mods of the forum ignored what I was saying. They were all gone, for about 2 weeks, at the same time?
Helena you are really beginning to annoy me now! You keep claiming I was doing nothing! WRONG WRONG & WRONG! This was being dealt with off board in private with the admins & Smods. At the time of this incident you kept pming me persistantly & I told you politely to use the reported post function & you were I would entertain any further pm's on the matter with you!
Point 2 - Richie & I were in fact away at the time - however I take my computer & check in even when I am on holiday in America - therefore I am often watching but can late to respond due to the time difference!helena.ryan wrote: » Ah but it is, and this is my whole point, how do they have time to do that when regular posters are leaving the forum due to the lack of moderating? Again, I will point out, the infraction is not bothering me as much as the fact that an infraction was given for something very small when other, more important issues are being ignored.
What members are leaving??? No one has complained to myself & as far as I know (again I am not Derek Acorah) Hellraiser or Karoma.helena.ryan wrote: »I mean a constructive disagreement without picking up on tones. Like sarcasm in text etc.
I have no problem with constructive disagreement - just have a problem with members badgering people who disagree with them! People tend to forget there are very real people attacked to each & every post - they all have feelings - shouting & abusing people hurts. I know the saying that sticks & stones will brake my bones but names with never hurt me - but sadly us humans are often more fragile than that.helena.ryan wrote: »And it has done but lately things have not been going so smoothly. I post regularly, I've gotten to know a few of the regular posters. I genuinely care about the forum, and it has not been the same lately.
Explain please. Apart from Mairt who has expressed his dissatisfaction.helena.ryan wrote: » Not more harshly, just a bit more hands on and in perspective on what is and is not important. Why infract for every breach? What about the ones that are a genuine problem, like cruelty or abusive posts etc.
I am online most days & am often watching - I post when members ask questions that I can answer. - I too get annoyed with the members who think their opinions are the only ones that count. Ask questions about exotics & I will respond.helena.ryan wrote: »I'm not complaining about "bunny shooters" at all.
The hunters thread caused horror & outrage a few months ago.helena.ryan wrote: »Should I not have bothered reporting the scam? All I got was hassle from it, personal abuse from the boardsie in question, one mod saying she doesn't care and then today another saying it's none of my business.
Again for the record this was dealt with by the mods & admins off board! I was not in a position to keep you in the loop - I can not access pm's therefore what goes on is NOT MY BUSINESS - contact admins if you a problem in this area! If a member is nasty in a pm - you can of course forward it to me & I will admin on your behalf.
I can only deal with members who break the charter - that's it I am not god! I am a mere moderator!
Surely, if a poster knows of or suspects something illegal going on, they need to report it and be assured that it is being looked after? I did not want to know what was happening, just that it was being looked after, I thought it was when the charter was changed. I sent a PM thanking them for looking after it.helena.ryan wrote: »Then Bond posted saying she doesn't care and people were not to PM her about the forum or what happens via PM(I can't remember the exact phrasing but basicially this was the jist). That is not right. I could very easily have not bothered reporting this scam, in fact it would have saved me a lot of heart ache to not report what had happened to me IRL with this poster and the fact it could easily happen with other forum users.
I'm not disputing that.
I basically told you to hit the REPORT POST BUTTON - that way it goes to all mods & not just me. Read my earlier points cause I am sick of repeating myself.0 -
As moderators? They're doing what needs to be done as I've pointed out. You have access to the Reported Posts forum and can check it for yourself.I'm not getting involved too much in this thread as I won't be using the Animals and Pets forum again, or at least until such a time that the listed Moderators there begin to play an active and positive role in the forum again.
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Now it can not be disputed that the Moderators of the Animal and Pets forum have taken their eye off the ball in recent months...
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If you want them posting as posters, then tough. That's up to them, but don't go mixing the two up.
Only some of the charter implies a zero tolerance stance really, if you read it properly and so far they have implemented in a 'zero tolerance' manner, hence the infraction that helped kick-start this whole thing. So, post some examples. Have you read through this thread? We have explained that matters were dealt with away from the eyes of users, we don't mean to sound prickish about some of it as it may come across, but sensitive matters had to be dealt with quietly behind the scenes, otherwise, we have countered any argument of inconsistency or lack of moderation that has so far been put forward; maybe not to the satisfaction of particular posers, but they may never see beyond themselves. Nothing much that we can do about that except to try and patiently continue to explain.Rules are inconsistantly enforced, despite the forums charters giving an air of zero tolerance towards members breaking them. Now I consider 'rules are for the obdience of fools and the guidence of wisemen (& women these days :rolleyes: ) but don't come accross as having a zero tolerance policy and then enforcing the rules 'carte blanche.0 -
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In short? No.
Longer answer: ... It would go off-topic.... Yes? Firstly, I don't think as a moderator beyond Rec fora. Secondly, it's comments re: moderators as moderators; Moderators can be posters too, they don't have to be ("It doesn't mean that we have to play.") Thirdly, it's an analogy to explain the gist of my opinion; I could have gone with 'those who can't, teach...'. It's a personal opinion, it reflects on my mental state and experiences and won't be shared by many. Lastly, do object to the inference that you're fat or incapable? Why? 0
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