Stoke v Man Utd Match Thread...

_blank_ · 26-12-2008 3:42pm

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

you might as well with his performance today

The whole team tbh, unfair to single out G Neville, imo.

If you are going to start taking digs at United players today, you should start with the petulant behaviour of Rooney and Ronaldo that was evident today, and in previous games.

mike65 · 26-12-2008 3:43pm

mike65 wrote: »

Stoke to go mad and loose 3-0, or Man Utd to hang on for 1-0 win as the jet-lag catches up late on.

Shudda bet on both.

PHB · 26-12-2008 3:44pm

gosplan wrote: »

Ronaldo a leg. No action taken. Both seen by officials.

Wilkenson leaves a leg in after the tackle. If you want to play like that, expect to get lashed out at, and deservedly so. He was losing the rag, the ref wasn't doing anything, and Ronaldo lashed out, barely. Anyone who actually thinks that is a red card needs to watch more football.

As for Rooney, he needs to grow up. Then again, I'll not scream about it, why, Criswell did the exact same thing 3 times in the air, yet only got booked for one. Yet nobody is harping on here about it, gosh I wonder why.

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Giggs and Neville I really would single out today. Their passing just was not good enough, full stop. They need to step it up.

Scrappy 1-0 win after a round-trip to Japan. I'll take it. Still, United lacking something, something. Personally I think it's an effective left winger.

Tevez MON, not just for the goal, but for the excellent run that was given offside which woulda been a defo goal.

Im_No_Superman · 26-12-2008 3:44pm

Thank **** for that, massive massive win!

Chong · 26-12-2008 3:45pm

gosplan wrote: »

Not really when you consider suspensions. As an Arsenal fan I'm just really sickened that Adebayor is missing a really important game at Villa today for two clumsy tackles but both Rooney and Ronaldo will play at Boro next week. Both challenges would, on similar occasions, get straight reds for other (non-utd) players.

Your obviously suffering from Arsene's POV thinking the world is against you, stop whinging FFS.

_blank_ · 26-12-2008 3:45pm

PHB wrote: »

Wilkenson leaves a leg in after the tackle. If you want to play like that, expect to get lashed out at, and deservedly so. He was losing the rag, the ref wasn't doing anything, and Ronaldo lashed out, barely.

It isn't Ronaldo's place to take matters into his own hands.

Defending behaviour like that is laughable.

PHB wrote: »

As for Rooney, he needs to grow up.

So does Ronaldo.

ntlbell · 26-12-2008 3:46pm

Des wrote: »

The whole team tbh, unfair to single out G Neville, imo.

very unfair I don't recall anyone getting down gary's side all day he put in some nice crosses the whole team were absolutely average

Headshot · 26-12-2008 3:46pm

Des wrote: »

The whole team tbh, unfair to single out G Neville, imo.

If you are going to start taking digs at United players today, you should start with the petulant behaviour of Rooney and Ronaldo that was evident today, and in previous games.

fair enough with the thugs that are Rooney and Ronaldo

but Ronney wasn't the worse today performance wise

but Ronaldo's display as of late have been brutal

Chong · 26-12-2008 3:47pm

Des wrote: »

It isn't Ronaldo's place to take matters into his own hands.

Defending behaviour like that is laughable.

So does Ronaldo.

Roon and Ronnie both acting the pr!ck of late they will soon get their come uppance.

PHB · 26-12-2008 3:48pm

Des wrote: »

It isn't Ronaldo's place to take matters into his own hands.

Defending behaviour like that is laughable.

Cry me a ****ing river. If somebody keeps attacking you, and the ref isn't doing **** all, then you need to step up and defend yourself. Especially when we've no enforcers in our team.

And then Wilkinson can't deal with it, and lashes out. 2nd yellow and he's off. Seems like a job done well to me.

mayordenis · 26-12-2008 3:48pm

PHB wrote: »

If somebody keeps attacking you

lol

gosplan · 26-12-2008 3:51pm

Cruijff wrote: »

Your obviously suffering from Arsene's POV thinking the world is against you, stop whinging FFS.

Not against me or Arsenal. Just for Man U and English national team players.

PHB · 26-12-2008 3:51pm

gosplan wrote: »

Not against me or Arsenal. Just for Man U and English national team players.

Yeh, that's why Evra has a 4 game suspension.

ntlbell · 26-12-2008 3:52pm

PHB wrote: »

Cry me a ****ing river. If somebody keeps attacking you, and the ref isn't doing **** all, then you need to step up and defend yourself. Especially when we've no enforcers in our team.

And then Wilkinson can't deal with it, and lashes out. 2nd yellow and he's off. Seems like a job done well to me.

no one seems to be crying out for wilkinson to clean up his act putting in horrible tackles etc... usual nonsense

Chardee MacDennis · 26-12-2008 3:54pm

PHB wrote: »

Cry me a ****ing river. If somebody keeps attacking you, and the ref isn't doing **** all, then you need to step up and defend yourself. Especially when we've no enforcers in our team.

And then Wilkinson can't deal with it, and lashes out. 2nd yellow and he's off. Seems like a job done well to me.

so if the player rooney tried to elbow in the head had then gone and kicked him back, i somehow doubt you would be spouting that BS line...

MIN2511 · 26-12-2008 3:54pm

Thank God for the win even though it was disappointing...

gosplan · 26-12-2008 3:54pm

PHB wrote: »

Cry me a ****ing river. If somebody keeps attacking you, and the ref isn't doing **** all, then you need to step up and defend yourself. Especially when we've no enforcers in our team.

And then Wilkinson can't deal with it, and lashes out. 2nd yellow and he's off. Seems like a job done well to me.

I dunno which makes less sense. Your first attempt to pass it off as a very minor incident or the second, to show it as some necessary enforcing in a tough game.

They definatly don't make sense together. Defend yourslef by 'barely lashing out'?

mayordenis · 26-12-2008 3:55pm

ntlbell wrote: »

no one seems to be crying out for wilkinson to clean up his act putting in horrible tackles etc... usual nonsense

he's been punished at least.

ntlbell · 26-12-2008 3:55pm

mayordenis wrote: »

he's been punished at least.

oh that makes it ok then...:rolleyes:

Headshot · 26-12-2008 3:56pm

Sir Alex has said that Rio will be out for the boro match on monday

big loss

gosplan · 26-12-2008 3:57pm

ntlbell wrote: »

no one seems to be crying out for wilkinson to clean up his act putting in horrible tackles etc... usual nonsense

lol, I think you'll find the ref punished him.

No one here (well not me anyway) is saying that Rooney and Ronaldo are particularly dirty players or that they go out to hurt people. Just that they lash out and escape punishment.

Chardee MacDennis · 26-12-2008 3:57pm

ntlbell wrote: »

oh that makes it ok then...:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Mr Alan · 26-12-2008 3:58pm

re Utd fans singing about Liverpool-they dont do it to wind up Liverpool fans, they do it because they are small time & obsessed.

ntlbell · 26-12-2008 3:59pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

re Utd fans singing about Liverpool-they dont do it to wind up Liverpool fans, they do it because they are small time & obsessed.

league champions european champions world champions....

yup sounds like small time...

lmao

ntlbell · 26-12-2008 4:00pm

gosplan wrote: »

lol, I think you'll find the ref punished him.

No one here (well not me anyway) is saying that Rooney and Ronaldo are particularly dirty players or that they go out to hurt people. Just that they lash out and escape punishment.

yes he was punished but people are moaning and groaning rooney/ronaldo need to grow and how pedulent they're etc not one mention of wilkson's filthy challenge...

usuall bollox tbh

Mr Alan · 26-12-2008 4:01pm

the fans didnt win those tournaments ntlbell, the players did. the fans are small time.

the players are excellent.

ShooterSF · 26-12-2008 4:06pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

the fans didnt win those tournaments ntlbell, the players did. the fans are small time.

the players are excellent.

Maybe a section. Like a certain section of pool fans who sing about Munich. No club is above having a few fans like such.

gosplan · 26-12-2008 4:07pm

ntlbell wrote: »

yes he was punished but people are moaning and groaning rooney/ronaldo need to grow and how pedulent they're etc not one mention of wilkson's filthy challenge...

usuall bollox tbh

Maybe ... but not from me. I don't really care what Rooney and Ronaldo do. I just want to see them punished when they break the rules ... like most players are.

It's not about making every player in the world a fair player - it's about people being dealt with when they overstep the line.

Chardee MacDennis · 26-12-2008 4:09pm

ntlbell wrote: »

yes he was punished but people are moaning and groaning rooney/ronaldo need to grow and how pedulent they're etc not one mention of wilkson's filthy challenge...

usuall bollox tbh

because there is no debate - it was two bookable offenses and therefore a deserved red card. Rooney and Ronaldo were not punished for dissent, which FIFA claims it wants to clamp down on, that's why. do you really find it that hard to understand?

Theresalwaysone · 26-12-2008 4:09pm

As a United Fan it was pretty embarassing watching Ronaldo today. He was petulant and childish and really needs a kick in the arse regarding his behaviour.

I wouldnt pay too much heed to Rooneys game though, yes he lashed out, yes he threw an elbow but its not like he does it all the time, and aggression is part of his game. Id put it down to frustration, it happens to everyone.

Disappointed with performance, delighted with result.

Chardee MacDennis · 26-12-2008 4:11pm

ShooterSF wrote: »

Maybe a section. Like a certain section of pool fans who sing about Munich. No club is above having a few fans like such.

cant say i've heard that song... afaik liverpool are one of the few English teams who sings songs about their club and generally dont bother singing about other teams, but that could be a biased view....

Theresalwaysone · 26-12-2008 4:11pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

re Utd fans singing about Liverpool-they dont do it to wind up Liverpool fans, they do it because they are small time & obsessed.

lol. Stop embarassing yourself, silly pool fan.

ntlbell · 26-12-2008 4:13pm

BastardPrince wrote: »

because there is no debate - it was two bookable offenses and therefore a deserved red card. Rooney and Ronaldo were not punished for dissent, which FIFA claims it wants to clamp down on, that's why. do you really find it that hard to understand?

no i don't find that hard to understand they should of been off bad reffing inconsistent as USUAL and if i mention in other cases from other teams where it's happened this year i'll be accused of trolling...

what people are saying is how dirty and childish rooney are with no mention of the horrific tackle from wilkinson is that hard for you to understand?

RasTa · 26-12-2008 4:13pm

Good result, some atmosphere in that Stoke ground fair play to them although their fans do like fighting.

Rooney should have being off and a sort of hope he does if he keeps the nonsense up.

Ronaldo's was nothing, booking if you want to be anal. He was pretty useless on the pitch today, although it;s hard breaking down a 10 men defence.

Also Liverpool fans must be small time if what United sing about them pisses them off.

ntlbell · 26-12-2008 4:14pm

BastardPrince wrote: »

cant say i've heard that song... afaik liverpool are one of the few English teams who sings songs about their club and generally dont bother singing about other teams, but that could be a biased view....

maybe if you were actually in the stands you would have a different view...

every club does it and to say the pool don't is utter nonsense

Mr Alan · 26-12-2008 4:42pm

ShooterSF wrote: »

Maybe a section. Like a certain section of pool fans who sing about Munich. No club is above having a few fans like such.

only sung by morons when we are playing Utd.

not against every team, thats the "small time" thing.

ntlbell · 26-12-2008 4:55pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

only sung by morons when we are playing Utd.

not against every team, thats the "small time" thing.

oh yea and they never sing anything against everton.....

you're really on a roll today...

Mr Alan · 26-12-2008 4:59pm

ntlbell wrote: »

oh yea and they never sing anything against everton.....

you're really on a roll today...

you really arent grasping this.

against Everton, we wing songs about Everton. Against Utd we'll sing songs about Utd etc etc

whereas Utd, against Stoke sing about Liverpool, against Newcastle sing about Liverpool etc etc.

THAT is wat is small time.

ntlbell · 26-12-2008 5:01pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

you really arent grasping this.

against Everton, we wing songs about Everton. Against Utd we'll sing songs about Utd etc etc

whereas Utd, against Stoke sing about Liverpool, against Newcastle sing about Liverpool etc etc.

THAT is wat is small time.

nonsense i've heard plenty of anti toffee songs at non derby matches stop talking via the tight one k thnx

Chardee MacDennis · 26-12-2008 5:02pm

ntlbell wrote: »

no i don't find that hard to understand they should of been off bad reffing inconsistent as USUAL and if i mention in other cases from other teams where it's happened this year i'll be accused of trolling...

maybe this is why coz when others criticize united players fans throw their toys out of the pram. so maybe others get annoyed when you start critising other teams and dont take it yourself? can you show me where you have been accused of trolling for a similar incident and response?

ntlbell wrote: »

what people are saying is how dirty and childish rooney are with no mention of the horrific tackle from wilkinson is that hard for you to understand?

well it could also be because that they are much higher profile players and have a history of petulance ad dissent, where i dont know too much of Wilkinsons record.

it happens to all the top players - Gerrard, Drogba, Terry, Lampard etc

RasTa · 26-12-2008 5:03pm

NTL just let him embarrass himself. Probably hasn't even posted in his own team's match day thread yet.

Mr Alan · 26-12-2008 5:04pm

ntlbell wrote: »

nonsense i've heard plenty of anti toffee songs at non derby matches stop talking via the tight one k thnx

you're not just allowed make stuff up mr bell.

you havent heard those songs, cause they dont happen.

Headshot · 26-12-2008 5:05pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

you havent heard those songs, cause they dont happen.

but how do you know

your not at every game tbh

ntlbell · 26-12-2008 5:06pm

BastardPrince wrote: »

can you show me where you have been accused of trolling for a similar incident and response?

well it could also be because that they are much higher profile players and have a history of petulance ad dissent, where i dont know too much of Wilkinsons record.

it happens to all the top players - Gerrard, Drogba, Terry, Lampard etc

you explaining why it happens doesn't make it right your explaining what i all ready know why it's happening is not in question...

Mr Alan · 26-12-2008 5:08pm

true enough, but i would watch every game and been to a lot of games, i've never heard it. the one time i heard about someone singing about Utd at a non utd match was in a square in Athens, and it was booed down by the liverpool fans.

i've never been to a Utd match but that doesnt mean i amn't qualified to say they sing about us virtually every game.

ntlbell · 26-12-2008 5:09pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

you're not just allowed make stuff up mr bell.

you havent heard those songs, cause they dont happen.

lol

it's funny a liverpool fan defending their fans with their rep getting banned from europe for been dirty thugs and trying to defend their equitte with how and when they deliver they're anti-x team songs...

seriously....

Chardee MacDennis · 26-12-2008 5:10pm

ntlbell wrote: »

you explaining why it happens doesn't make it right your explaining what i all ready know why it's happening is not in question...

so if you understand why it happens, what are you complaining about? its a part and parcel of football? you're giving out to people here as if it is a boards thing and they are just doing it to get a reaction out of united fans, which i dont believe to be true.

anyway i like how you ignored the first part...

Chardee MacDennis · 26-12-2008 5:12pm

ntlbell wrote: »

lol

it's funny a liverpool fan defending their fans with their rep getting banned from europe for been dirty thugs and trying to defend their equitte with how and when they deliver they're anti-x team songs...

seriously....

lol way to drag up something over twenty years old! pathetic...

Mr Alan · 26-12-2008 5:14pm

ntlbell wrote: »

lol

it's funny a liverpool fan defending their fans with their rep getting banned from europe for been dirty thugs and trying to defend their equitte with how and when they deliver they're anti-x team songs...

seriously....

i'm talking about Utd fans now, hooliganism was rife throughout all clubs in the 80s, incl us, thankfully its gone now.

doesnt mean i'm not allowed criticise clubs fans for small time behaviour in the modern game.

as opposed to dragging up incidents that occured decades ago.

ntlbell · 26-12-2008 5:14pm

BastardPrince wrote: »

so if you understand why it happens, what are you complaining about? its a part and parcel of football? you're giving out to people here as if it is a boards thing and they are just doing it to get a reaction out of united fans, which i dont believe to be true.

anyway i like how you ignored the first part...

christ all mighty....

people were watching the match they seen the dirty tackle he made they doin't need a full roll call of all his fouls they were watching the match but didn't bother giving out about it just moaning about rooney and ronaldo like if i type it in capitals will it help?

dude i'm not going to go through boards to see how many times i'm accused of been called a troll

in this thread alone i mentioed gerrard wasn't booked for kicking the ball away last week and staraight away people are accusing you of trying to turn it into a liverpool v utd thread....

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