Countdown to the Bomb

27-12-2008 12:48pm #1

Israel and Palestine are at it again, as Gaza has been shelled once more this morning. And it is seeming like we're getting ever closer to one launching a nuclear strike against the other.

So, give your ideas as to when this will happen.

I'm going to say June 15th of this year.

monty_python · 27-12-2008 12:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

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I'm going to say June 15th of this year.

june 15th THIS year is long gone mate.
you must mean next year:D

27-12-2008 12:54pm

monty_python wrote: »

june 15th THIS year is long gone mate.
you must mean next year:D

Wait? Whats the date. I thought tomorrow was new years eve.

Damn

bohsboy · 27-12-2008 12:56pm

Nuclear strike? Not a chance, they'd wipe themselves out. Too close to each other.

galwayrush · 27-12-2008 12:56pm

Nice if those anti Israel crackpots in shop street Galway went out there to act as human shields.:D

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 27-12-2008 12:57pm

if the palestinians had nukes they wouldn't be in the situation they are in now in the first place.

Terry · 27-12-2008 12:57pm

I'd imagine it would be tough for the Palestinians to nuke Israel. They seem to be lacking a nuke.
It would also be futile for the Israelis to nuke Palestine. It's akin to Cork nuking Kerry.

I'd be more worried about India and Pakistan.

MagicMarker · 27-12-2008 12:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Wait? Whats the date. I thought tomorrow was new years eve.

Damn

Even if tomorrow was new years eve, how does that make you less wrong?

27-12-2008 1:00pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Even if tomorrow was new years eve, how does that make you less wrong?

Sshhh

and whats to stop either of them getting a nuke?

(damn, this thread aint going to work.. ha)

Fine. What about.. er .. China and America then.

monty_python · 27-12-2008 1:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sshhh

and whats to stop either of them getting a nuke?

(damn, this thread aint going to work.. ha)

Fine. What about.. er .. China and America then.

the chinese are already trying to take over the world by making us all spend a day on the toilet with their dodgy food.

if every1 in the whole world ate chinese food food for dinner then the next day only chinese people could go outside, the sewer's couldnt cope and every1 would be poisened by methane!!!!

Nodin · 27-12-2008 1:07pm

Deleted User wrote:

Israel and Palestine are at it again, as Gaza has been shelled once more this morning. And it is seeming like we're getting ever closer to one launching a nuclear strike against the other.

Apart from anything else, the Palestinians have no airforce, navy, or nuclear weapons.

galwayrush wrote: »

Nice if those anti Israel crackpots in shop street Galway went out there to act as human shields.:D

Why are they "crackpots"?

27-12-2008 1:07pm

And they already launched a chemical attack on America with those lead-tainted toys.

Nodin wrote: »

Why are they "crackpots"?

They are up there with Chuggers on my list of things I hate about Galway. They are just irritating. I just hope the "food-for-peace" or whatever people come back. They had lovely food and got me interested in.. whatever the hell it was they were talking about.

Dave! · 27-12-2008 1:08pm

<3BeingIN6th wrote: »

I'd imagine it would be tough for the Palestinians to nuke Israel. They seem to be lacking a nuke.
It would also be futile for the Israelis to nuke Palestine. It's akin to Cork nuking Kerry.

I'd be more worried about India and Pakistan.

Give this man a can of coke

Nodin · 27-12-2008 1:09pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sshhh

and whats to stop either of them getting a nuke?

The Israelis have approx 400 Nukes. The Palestinians have none, and as they don't believe in Santy Clause, aren't likely to have got one recently.

27-12-2008 1:12pm

Dave! wrote: »

Give this man a can of coke

That stuff comes in cans now? Quick send it to the Mod forum. Will be better than the second-hand needles. Maybe then we can do something about the hookers. It's a case of "sloppy-hundreds" now.

mike65 · 27-12-2008 1:12pm

Its just as well its only the Israelis who have them. Anyway, as mentioned Parkistan and India are both more likely to scare each other into doing something momumentally stupid.

galwayrush · 27-12-2008 1:12pm

Nodin wrote: »

Apart from anything else, the Palestinians have no airforce, navy, or nuclear weapons.

Why are they "crackpots"?

Because i spoke to some of them, and they hadn't a clue about the history of the area they were protesting about. They were very selective in what they condemned and what they thought of as legetimate killings.

Nodin · 27-12-2008 1:26pm

galwayrush wrote: »

Because i spoke to some of them, and they hadn't a clue about the history of the area they were protesting about.

.....a 'fer instance' would be helpful....

Wurly · 27-12-2008 1:29pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Even if tomorrow was new years eve, how does that make you less wrong?

Hhahahahaahhah. That's what I was thinking too.:pac::pac::D

Kinetic^ · 27-12-2008 1:37pm

Better be after June 20th, I don't want anything delaying the release of Transformers 2!

galwayrush · 27-12-2008 1:38pm

Nodin wrote: »

.....a 'fer instance' would be helpful....

According to them, the Isralies had no right to be there at all, and didn't want to know about the majority of Palestinians and Israelies being in favour of an Israeli area, Palestinian area and a shared area where all people would be equal.

Biggins · 27-12-2008 1:50pm

Its only a matter of time before whats known as a "dirty bomb" will be ignited.
The Americans and the British have admitted, its not a case of "if" - only a case of "when...?"

This is very, very true I suspect and then god help us all.

davyjose · 27-12-2008 1:52pm

Nothin like a few wars to kick start the ol' economy.

galwayrush · 27-12-2008 1:54pm

davyjose wrote: »

Nothin like a few wars to kick start the ol' economy.

Now that real fact is the scary thing.

SimpleSam06 · 27-12-2008 1:57pm

Nodin wrote: »

Why are they "crackpots"?

Its the same rentacrowd jackasses you see at socialist worker rallies, GAAW protests, everything and anything. They rarely have any idea what exactly it is they are protesting against, tired old hangovers from the 70s tbh.

Biggins · 27-12-2008 2:09pm

I'll make a prediction.

The current wave of tit for tat attacks will continue mainstream for the next few days.
Political influence will eventually slow things down (as usual).
Hamas will then in the intervening period gain time to re-arm itself quietly while publicly state they are ceasing fire in order to deal with their casualties and show to the world that they are the ones wishing for peace and gain lost propaganda influence.
To keep the fire stoked as such however, once in a while a missile will be fired.

Within two/three months a suicide bomber will once again explode themselves within a major Israel town, probably the capital. This bomb attack if it don't happen before or on the upcoming election's day in Israel, will give the recurring/new power in Israel to continue more heavily, attacks by air strikes on Gaza.
There will be no ground forces sent in. Only troops to help tighten the border. (The Israelite government know they can't win a ground war) More Israel warships will be deployed off the Gaza coast to stop any weapons of the missile type getting continuously in.

Its a cycle that will continue to play itself out till eventually a dirty bomb will be supplied to Hamas, in parts or whole. This, they will release upon the Israel capital. When that happens, its game over for the lot of us.

Terry · 27-12-2008 2:10pm

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Biggins · 27-12-2008 2:14pm

<3BeingIN6th wrote: »

You have to love the related ads by google.

lol They don't miss a trick do they! lol

Nodin · 27-12-2008 2:14pm

galwayrush wrote: »

According to them, the Isralies had no right to be there at all, and didn't want to know about the majority of Palestinians and Israelies being in favour of an Israeli area, Palestinian area and a shared area where all people would be equal.

Yes, I've never thought the one state idea was tenable. Can't get on side by side theres two chances of them sharing the same jacks, so to speak.

dlofnep · 27-12-2008 2:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

And it is seeming like we're getting ever closer to one launching a nuclear strike against the other.

That would be Israel. The country that has 100's of nuclear weapons which it still to this day does will not disclose to the international community.

Deleted User wrote: »

So, give your ideas as to when this will happen.

It won't. International pressure on Israeli would be immense if they were ever to use their undisclosed, weapons of mass destruction.

wes · 27-12-2008 2:39pm

galwayrush wrote: »

According to them, the Isralies had no right to be there at all, and didn't want to know about the majority of Palestinians and Israelies being in favour of an Israeli area, Palestinian area and a shared area where all people would be equal.

Your history is completely off, the Palestinians never wanted to give up any part of there country to European colonists, which is what the Zionists largely were at the time. The Zionists came from Europe demanding a state as the Bible said so for the religious Zionists and for the secular Zionists, it was based on there ancestors living there over a 1000 years ago.

Nowadays, the majority of both sides want 2 states (the leadership for both seem to actively working against this sadly), but it most certainly did not start that way. The Israeli's wanted the entirety of Palestine (it should be noted that the Zionists did agree to the UN partition plan, but when the Palestinians disagreed, they declared a states against the wishes of the majority of the population and grabbed far more land than was alloted under the partition plan, as well as there planned ethnic cleansing of Palestinians (read the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Illan Pappe for more info on that) and are today actively colonizing the West Bank) and the Palestinians, did not want to give up any of it.

Honestly, what does anyone expect, people coming from another country and demanding a country tends to lead to violence. Also, no group of people on this planet would have given into the demands like the Zionists made against Palestinians.

ninebeanrows · 27-12-2008 2:40pm

Yep this is it WW3

Another great year ahead:(

Biggins · 27-12-2008 2:50pm

Weathercheck wrote: »

Yep this is it WW3

Naa, this is just the precursors...

Weathercheck wrote: »

Another great year ahead

Yep, agree with you there. Its like "here we go again..."

rossie1977 · 27-12-2008 3:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Fine. What about.. er .. China and America then.

china are not stupid enough to start a nuclear war with the USA, they have about 150 nukes (about 50 ICBMs capable of reaching america) compared to USA with 6,000 active and another 15,000 disassembled ready to go within a few weeks

Biggins · 27-12-2008 3:12pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

china are not stupid enough to start a nuclear war with the USA, they have about 150 nukes (about 50 ICBMs capable of reaching america) compared to USA with 6,000 active and another 15,000 disassembled ready to go within a few weeks

MAD

Mutually
Assured
Destruction

Thats what has stopped the nukes flying so far.

Where the fear is, is where the nuke states are that are shaky in their government foundations.
There is a number of now weak nuke empowered states that could easily fall within any one week. If the extremists of such states get their hands on the firing buttons and/or manage to extract the nuke material for a 'dirty bomb' then the real crises begins.

Holsten · 27-12-2008 3:44pm

I'd like to see Israel get wiped off the face of the planet.

If only the American Government stopped their 100% support.

Biggins · 27-12-2008 3:49pm

Holsten wrote: »

I'd like to see Israel get wiped off the face of the planet.

They had 450+ missiles chucked at them in the last two weeks for crying out loud!
Would any people just do nothing and allow it to continue in all seriousness?

Hamas KNEW it would draw a strong reaction. They should be wiped off the earth.
They deliberately set-up their rocket launchers right beside civilian properties.
Now the gloves are finally off and for the next few days, there will be hell to pay.

IRISH RAIL · 27-12-2008 3:52pm

so right there biggins

wes I was waiting for your anti semitic bile to come and purge this page with drivel
go back to the politics forum where people dont listen to you

Nodin · 27-12-2008 3:53pm

Holsten wrote: »

I'd like to see Israel get wiped off the face of the planet.

If only the American Government stopped their 100% support.

Can't really solve injustice by prepetrating injustice tbh.

Seeing the yanks stop their unilateral blockade of UN sanctions would be good though, as it would provide an alternative route for the Palestinians to draw attention to their plight, and stop Israels settlement building.

dlofnep · 27-12-2008 3:58pm

Biggins wrote: »

They had 450+ missiles chucked at them in the last two weeks for crying out loud!
Would any people just do nothing and allow it to continue in all seriousness?

Hamas KNEW it would draw a strong reaction. They should be wiped off the earth.
They deliberately set-up their rocket launchers right beside civilian properties.
Now the gloves are finally off and for the next few days, there will be hell to pay.

Total Palestinian deaths in the past 3 years: 1290 (222 of which were children)
Total Israeli deaths in the past 3 years: 86 (8 of which were children)

Watch Sky News much?

Nodin · 27-12-2008 3:59pm

Biggins wrote: »

They had 450+ missiles chucked at them in the last two weeks for crying out loud!
Would any people just do nothing and allow it to continue in all seriousness?
.

They could try targeting the people doing the actual launching. As it is, its the equivalent of the RA firing across the border, and the Brits bombing Dublin from the air.

Biggins wrote: »

They deliberately set-up their rocket launchers right beside civilian properties.
.

I know this is a bit much to expect, but had you read the article, you'd note that they didn't actually go after a load of rocket launchers....

Biggins · 27-12-2008 4:01pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Total Palestinian deaths in the past 3 years: 1290 (222 of which were children)
Total Israeli deaths in the past 3 years: 86 (8 of which were children)

Tit for tat, here we go again...

Haven't replied to the question though!

They had 450+ missiles chucked at them in the last two weeks for crying out loud!
Would any people just do nothing and allow it to continue in all seriousness?

Would you sit on your ass and do nothing?

dlofnep · 27-12-2008 4:03pm

Biggins wrote: »

Tit for tat, here we go again...

It's a perfectly reasonable set of figures to bring up. I see you condemning Hamas alot, but I've yet to see you condemn the Israeli forces who have killed an immensely higher ratio of palestinians.

Biggins wrote: »

Haven't replied to the question though!

What was the question?

Biggins wrote: »

Would you sit on your ass and do nothing?

I wouldn't - But I wouldn't shoot 10 year old children dead for throwing stones either. (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/07/2008729154958869134.html)

allthedoyles · 27-12-2008 4:05pm

Any genuine Irish Republicans will know that tit-for-tat does NOT work.........

But wait...Obama is gonna move in soon with fresh ideas and I m sure he will intervene in this Middle East crisis with good effect .......

Goodbye George Bush !..........................

Biggins · 27-12-2008 4:11pm

dlofnep wrote: »

It's a perfectly reasonable set of figures to bring up. I see you condemning Hamas alot (???), but I've yet to see you condemn the Israeli forces who have killed an immensely higher ratio of palestinians.
I condemned them once!

What was the question?
...but you replied to it!

I wouldn't - But I wouldn't shoot 10 year old children dead for throwing stones either.
...And neither would I fire missiles into innocent town and villages killing children either!

Do us all a favour, stop trying to troll.

Nodin · 27-12-2008 4:14pm

Biggins wrote: »

Do us all a favour, stop trying to troll.

Don't suppose you're going to do the decent thing and withdraw that bit about the rocket launchers....?

Biggins · 27-12-2008 4:20pm

Nodin wrote: »

Don't suppose you're going to do the decent thing and withdraw that bit about the rocket launchers....?

Why so?
When they go and fire their missiles from the roof tops of their Hamas police stations, properties, etc, do they expect not to get hit back!

This is the same organisation that produced a cheap mickey mouse character for childrens tv last year that showed him with a suicide bomb strapped to him and told them it was a good thing for them to do!
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1183053066461&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

When your dealing with that type of pure sick mentality you can't reply to them on a normal rational level that would normally have a possible positive reaction.

dlofnep · 27-12-2008 4:20pm

Biggins wrote: »

Do us all a favour, stop trying to troll.

I'm not trying to troll? I'm providing a reasonable debate to you.

Biggins wrote: »

I condemned them once!

Where did you condemn the Israeli forces? Did I miss a post of yours in this thread somewhere?

Biggins wrote:

Haven't replied to the question though!

Biggins wrote:

...but you replied to it!

Make your mind up. First you say I haven't replied to the question, then I ask what question and then you state that I've replied to it. I think you're the one who's trolling.

Biggins wrote:

...And neither would I fire missiles into innocent town and villages killing children either!

What did you say about "tit for tat"? :rolleyes:

And for the record, I condemn attacks on the Israeli people also. But let's at least have a little bit of clarity - Palestinians have died 15 times to every 1 Israeli. That should at least raise an eyebrow.

Biggins · 27-12-2008 4:22pm

dlofnep wrote: »

O' look.. here I go again...

Yawn... Bye.. :rolleyes:

dlofnep · 27-12-2008 4:24pm

Biggins wrote: »

Yawn... Bye.. :rolleyes:

AKA, you couldn't actually refute or answer even one single point I made. No problem.

Biggins · 27-12-2008 4:27pm

dlofnep wrote: »

AKA, you couldn't actually refute or answer even one single point I made. No problem.

lol Aye right. I'd decided not to waste my breath.

Can anyone else from either side of viewed sides, discuss this matter without getting into a tit for tat useless bitchy scrum?
The rest of us would appreciate it.

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