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    #32
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    the_syco wrote: »
    Versus... how many Israeli's do the Palestinian suicide bombers usually kill?
    In your mind, this boils down to numbers a la they [someone] blew themselves up in a crowded bar therefore we will fire a load of rockets in their city thus killing hundreds more?


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    daveirl
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    #35
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    daveirl wrote: »
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    You mean they slaughtered innocent men, women & children just to neutralise the police stations? That is the definition of a war crime and yet some will justify it.


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    daveirl
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    #37
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    ^^^^
    This sounds like the justification of slaughter today.


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    #38
    Boston
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    You mean they slaughtered innocent men, women & children just to neutralise the police stations? That is the definition of a war crime and yet some will justify it.

    And we all know hamas where using precision guided rockets in their attacks. Where was your condemnation early this week?


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    #39
    wes
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    daveirl wrote: »
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    You conveniently left out Israel's collective punishment of the entire population of Gaza over the last few months.
    daveirl wrote: »
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    Well, I will agree with you here. Israel doesn't want peace and can continue to colonize the West Bank, as I showed in the earlier link.


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    #40
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    Boston wrote: »
    And we all know hamas where using precision guided rockets in their attacks. Where was your condemnation early this week?

    I condemned all bombings including Hamas. They should be brought to justice.

    Do you think Hamas and the Israelis should be brought to justice for their attacks? or do you think that today was justice being heaped on Hamas and the Israelis are justified in their slaughter? Honest answer now.


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    #41
    Boston
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    There is no justice in war and vengeance.


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    #42
    wes
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    Boston wrote: »
    And we all know hamas where using precision guided rockets in their attacks.

    Might be due to them not actually having any. Regardless the actions of Hamas are simply appalling and wrong, but your comment about them not using precision rockets is silly, as they don't have any and no one is likely to give them any.

    Them not having them, doesn't excuse there actions, but your comment is still pretty silly.


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    #43
    wes
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    Boston wrote: »
    There is no justice in war and vengeance.

    Of course there can be. The ICC exists for exactly that. All perpetrators should be brought to justice.


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    #44
    Boston
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    wes wrote: »
    Might be due to them not actually having any. Regardless the actions of Hamas are simply appalling and wrong, but your comment about them not using precision rockets is silly, as they don't have any and no one is likely to give them any.

    Reminds me of that taliban quote "If you build us a killing stadium, we wouldn't have to kill people in the foot ball stadium". Hamas don't give a damn if they kill civilians.


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    #45
    Boston
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    wes wrote: »
    Of course there can be. The ICC exists for exactly that. All perpetrators should be brought to justice.

    Only people who loose wars end up at the ICC


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    #46
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    Boston wrote: »
    There is no justice in war and vengeance.

    Interestingly, you do not take the opportunity to condemn the slaughter today :confused: This suggests that you see today as justified and the killings were justice served on the people in Gaza.


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    wes
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    Boston wrote: »
    Reminds me of that taliban quote "If you build us a killing stadium, we wouldn't have to kill people in the foot ball stadium". Hamas don't give a damn if they kill civilians.

    They don't, but they don't have those rockets, so your comment makes no sense. They don't have precision equipment and are also not the Taliban.

    So if you think that Hamas would use better equipment and still use it to kill civilians and they probably would to be fair, then you comment make even less sense then, as you think they would still target civilians in anyways. So what difference does the precision of the equipment make then? Honestly, your comment made no sense to me at all, why the hell does precision of the equipment matter, when it kills innocent civilians. To me it doesn't matter at all.


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    #48
    Gareth37
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    WHO KILLED JESUS?

    Was it the Jews or the Roman Empire?

    The guns are firmly pointed at Jesus Christ.

    In the Christian festival of the birth of Jesus, 2 days after Christmas day the Jews strike Jesus' people.

    WELCOME TO WORLD WAR 3 AND THE END OF TIMES

    War after war and the antichrist will win them all and declare to be the saviour. Christians will be persecuted and a great trial will be in place where all Christians will be trialed. After 7 years of great persecution for Christians Jesus will come in all His glory through the clouds to end it all. Before the 2nd coming of Jesus great natural distasters will occur, evem in great European cities.

    Don't be tricked. Don't be brainwashed. Pray the rosary each night and read the Bible.

    Pray Pray Pray!! Penance Penance Penance!! Fasting. Fasting. Fasting!!!

    The antichrist is among us and his name begins with B.


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    #49
    wes
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    Boston wrote: »
    Only people who loose wars end up at the ICC

    Right now, I don't see why we can't get everyone in the dock. Perhaps, if nations that want justice and law to be respected went after everyone, the world would be in better shape.

    The infrastructure exists to go after all these criminals. I see no reason why people shouldn't agitate for this.


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    Boston
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Interestingly, you do not take the opportunity to condemn the slaughter today :confused: This suggests that you see today as justified and the killings were justice served on the people in Gaza.

    You didn't condemn Hamas, that suggest you're a supporter of rocket attacks into isreal, or at the very least indifferent towards them.

    wes: It was to highlight the fact that Hamas don't care about civilian deaths. You're argument is only valid if I accept that Hama have to attack Israel, they don't.


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    #51
    wes
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    Gareth37 wrote: »
    WHO KILLED JESUS?

    Was it the Jews or the Roman Empire?

    The guns are firmly pointed at Jesus Christ.

    In the Christian festival of the birth of Jesus, 2 days after Christmas day the Jews strike Jesus' people.

    WELCOME TO WORLD WAR 3 AND THE END OF TIMES

    War after war and the antichrist will win them all and declare to be the saviour. Christians will be persecuted and a great trial will be in place where all Christians will be trialed. After 7 years of great persecution for Christians Jesus will come in all His glory through the clouds to end it all. Before the 2nd coming of Jesus great natural distasters will occur, evem in great European cities.

    Don't be tricked. Don't be brainwashed. Pray the rosary each night and read the Bible.

    Pray Pray Pray!! Penance Penance Penance!! Fasting. Fasting. Fasting!!!

    The antichrist is among us and his name begins with B.

    Um, WTH?!?

    The vast majority of Palestinians aren't Christian, but Muslims. Also, its unfair to blame all Jews on the actions of Israel.


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    #52
    Nick_oliveri
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    Dont mind him wes. Just act as though it never happened..


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    #53
    Pride Fighter
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    The thing that pisses me off is that if the security council were to propose a resolution condemning this the US would veto it. It is ok when Zimbabwe kills its own people but when their friends are causing a humanitarian disaster with their blockade, and now they kill over 200 of them, it is ridiculous. The UN is in dire need of reform, veto's have to be removed from the nations that have them at present.


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    #54
    wes
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    Boston wrote: »
    wes: It was to highlight the fact that Hamas don't care about civilian deaths. You're argument is only valid if I accept that Hama have to attack Israel, they don't.

    Sure, Hamas doesn't have to attack Israel. Israel also doesn't have to occupy Palestinian land, turn Gaza into a giant prison and punish the entire populace and continue expanding there colonies and turning the West Bank into disconnected Bantustans. There is a lot of things both sides don't have to do, but they go right ahead and do them in anyways.


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    #55
    sdanseo
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    Palestinians had their land stolen ages ago, we fought in Ireland to get ours back for 800 years so this could go on much longer.

    The difference is that Israel should have the experience of the British to look upon and cave in now. No childishness intended but they started it.


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    #56
    Boston
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    wes wrote: »
    Sure, Hamas doesn't have to attack Israel.

    We're in agreement then. Good day to you sir.


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    #57
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    Boston wrote: »
    You didn't condemn Hamas, that suggest you're a supporter of rocket attacks into isreal, or at the very least indifferent towards them.

    Looks like in your rush to be an Israeli apologist, you actually do not read

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58391654&postcount=40


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    #58
    Nick_oliveri
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    sdonn_1 wrote: »
    And let's not forget who helped. With any luck the Obama chap might start a move towards the right track there.

    Honestly its amazing the faith that people have for this man. I'd wait it out before signing up to the empty promises if I were you.


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    #59
    wes
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    Boston wrote: »
    We're in agreement then. Good day to you sir.

    Sure we do on that 1 point, but you ignored all the stuff Israel does and doesn't seemed bothered to stop. All sides need to stop aggression and this includes Israel, that is if they actually want peace and not land, which is what they seem to want based on the colonial project in the East Jerusalem and the West Bank. If both sides don't stop there aggression, there can't possibly be peace. Hamas are not the only actor here, Israel is a equal participant in this mess.


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    #60
    Boston
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Looks like in your rush to be an Israeli apologist, you actually do not read

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58391654&postcount=40

    Only after being prompted to do so. Also where have I tried to justify Israeli actions? Lack of condemnation does not equate to support.


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    #61
    Jesus1222
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    It's a very sad day and just the start of yet another campaign of destruction and collective punishment. This is criminal and unjustified slaughter of completely innocent people. It's particularly sad when you read opinions expressed here that are heavily influenced by propaganda and devoid of any sympathy for those blown to bits today. From Day 1 of Hamas being elected the Israelis and "international community" have done everything they could do to destroy the result of the election. Where civilians needed to be slaughtered to achieve this, they were. Throw your minds back to the shelling of women and children on the beach last year.

    To compare the situation with Northern Ireland; the British state did everything it could to protect and cultivate political leaders (messrs Adams, McGuinness for example) attached to the most potent militant group, the British doubled their efforts when it became clear they were force on election day as well as militarily, to begin a process that would end up with both sides sitting face to face at a table with a genuine chance of peace. Israel has no intention of following this path and wants complete submission not negotiation. Practically everything said about Hamas is a lie. Can you imagine if the British had assassinated Adams, McGuinness and anybody politically minded in the provisionals? What if they had slaughtered hundreds of civilians in 10 Bloody Sundays on just 1 day? Why is the anger and militancy of Palestinian groups much less legitimate than the anger and militancy seen in this country following Bloody Sunday?

    The war in the North would still be going on today at 1974 levels but yet if another path had been chosen by the strongest player in the war, there could have been peace, the peace we enjoy now back in reality. The British did play both sides every step of the way, it's just their nature but credit to them; their strategy worked. Northern Ireland has been pacified, the insurgent natives are happy now there is tangible political power for them and they can begin to detatch themselves from the province with the future secure.

    This might seem a million miles away now but the good news for Israel and Palestine is: there is a solution. What's more is that both sides already agree 100% on what that solution is. It's a date, a year, 1967. Hamas has offered Israel a 10 year ceasefire if they withdraw completely to 1967 borders and Ehud Olmert is on record only recently stating the same thing, that Israel could enjoy full peace if it decides to withdraw to 1967. Of course, desperate and impoverished peopled firing rockets (the modern military equivalent of Halloween bangers) needs to be revenged, an eye for an eye.
    I've spoken with many Israelis recently and you will not meet nicer, more normal people anywhere in the world but change the subject to Palestinians and their attitude becomes rather ugly. They call them dogs, criminals, terrorists.

    Israelis should remember that nothing lasts forever, nothing stays the same. "If you will it, it is no dream" might be an Arab mantra - referring to getting rid of Israel. Why not make peace now from a position of strength? If this is still going on in 50 years or 100 years Israel may not be in a position to defend itself as well as it is now. They have already lost control of Lebanon completely, thanks to the Hezbollah. It makes sense to end it forever when you are completely dominant over your opponent. Slaughtering people like they have done today will not solve any problems for anybody and completely undermines any legitimate concern they say they have for rocket attacks.


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