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    #62
    daveirl
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    #63
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    Boston wrote: »
    Only after being prompted to do so. Also where have I tried to justify Israeli actions? Lack of condemnation does not equate to support.

    You really are some piece of work. Maybe you want to prompt me to condemn Mugabe or the bombings in Afganistan or the torture in Iraq. How about prompting me to condemn on the use of 'up to 50% off' in the sales. Only after prompting, dear god that is some retort

    You, even after prompting, fail to condemn the Israeli action today.


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    #64
    dresden8
    Registered Users Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭dresden8


    There will be peace when the Palestinians give up and get out of all the land that Israel wants.

    These peace deals are meaningless. Israel wants the land.

    It has the strongest military in the region. It has nuclear weapons. It has the unquestioning support of the US.

    It is acting from a position of strength. It will do what it wants.

    It is playing the long game. It will get the land, and more importantly, it will get the water.

    Who here claims not to recognise these facts?

    I guess I'll save myself replying to some by calling them lying hypocrites now.


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    #65
    IRISH RAIL
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    60 Israeli missiles to Hamas 450 plus missiles is hardly disproportionate
    also Hamas do use gps to aqquire thier targets just the same as Israeli weapons there not as dumb as thier supporters make them out to be

    and to please all the Jew haters amonst us heres something interesting from Haaretz

    eftist 1: Israel's true motive in bombing Gaza, is genocide against the Palestinian people and extermination of their right to statehood.
    Israel's genuine interest in this campaign is strikingly similar to Hamas' interest in firing scores of rockets into Israeli population centers: Forcing a cease-fire on better terms than the one just ended.
    For Hamas, this largely means easing Israeli economic sanctions against Gazans. For Israel, this centers on ending shelling by Qassam and Grad missiles and mortar shells. For both sides, this means a prisoner exchange, centering on Gilad Shalit and hundreds of jailed Hamas members.

    Leftist 2: The Palestinians have no recourse but to defend themselves, and the makeshift rockets they fire are nothing compared to the world's most advanced warplanes and munitions, which the IDF is using against them.

    The Human Rights Watch organization has been unequivocal in condemning the use of Qassam rockets as a direct violation of international humanitarian law and the laws of war. The firing of Qassams and mortars against civilian populations also
    constitutes collective punishment
    against hundreds of thousands of innocent Israeli men, women and children.

    Moreover, the firing of Qassams began not as a response to the siege against Gaza, but as a marathon celebration by armed Islamic fundamentalist groups following Israel's withdrawal of its troops and settlers from the Strip. To purposely add insult to injury, Islamic Jihad and other organizations used the ruins of settlements as launch platforms.

    Leftist 3: All that Hamas is asking, is recognition as the democratically elected government of Gaza, and an end to the Israeli economic embargo. Were they to attain these goals, there would be calm on both sides of the border.

    It is both unrealistic and dangerous to believe that Hamas has abandoned its clearly stated and often reiterated goal of establishing an Islamic Palestinian state in all of the Holy Land, including all land claimed, annexed by, or in any way occupied by Israel.

    Beyond that, Hamas has strong alliances with the Egyptian opposition Muslim brotherhood, as well as working partnerships with the Iran-dominated Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad.

    Israeli restraint, when practiced, has been met with contempt and additional Hamas and Hamas-tolerated strikes against civilian populations.

    Leftist 4: The Israeli blockade against Hamas is state terrorism and any means to fight it are legitimate.

    There is every reason to believe that Israel's economic siege against Gaza is misguided, but not for an essential cruelty, rather because Hamas taxes collected on the influx of goods imported through tunnels from Egyptian territory have subsidized and cemented Hamas rule.

    Leftist 5: The world overwhelmingly sympathizes with the Palestinians against Israel, and unreservedly backs their struggle for independence.

    In an era of global revulsion against radical Islamic terror, Hamas' protracted program of suicide bombings, drive-by murders and shelling of civilian populations, coupled with its refusal to renounce violence, recognize Israel, or accept past peace agreements, coupled with its ideology of militant jihad, have drained the Palestinians of international sympathy and have, in fact, legitimized Israeli arguments of military self-defense.

    Nothing has been more instrumental in harming the cause of Palestinian independence than Hamas, with its brutal take-over of Gaza in a war with brother Palestinians, and its frank efforts to build a large-scale regular army force in the Strip.

    In Part Two, in the coming week: The second five will be newer claims, the Alpha-male displays of the Israel-bashing right, the group which constantly berates the government and the IDF for not bombing Gaza into a parking lot, for not shooting and starving and freezing innocent civilians to death.

    www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050421.html


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    #66
    Mailman
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    Are the Israelis thick or something. You don't go killing hundreds of people on a slow news day when there is nothing else to report.


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    #67
    Boston
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    Well you seem very interested in one side buy not the other. How could you have faith in any condemnation of mine after you've so blatantly prompted me for one.


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    #68
    Jesus1222
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    IRISH RAIL wrote: »
    60 Israeli missiles to Hamas 450 plus missiles is hardly disproportionate
    also Hamas

    What if they were 60 nuclear missiles to 450 javelins? The facts say the "responses" of Israel to attacks, such as today's in Gaza or Lebanon, are disproportionate and almost always planned long before the supposed "original" Palestinian attack?
    and to please all the Jew haters amonst us heres something interesting from Haaretz

    Who exactly is a Jew hater?


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    #69
    Nodin
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    daveirl wrote: »
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    Thats odd, because its been down to Israel colonising the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem etc and the inhabitants being none too happy about the prospect as far as the rest of us can see.
    daveirl wrote: »
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    O, a 'Shoot Anto and his mate and not carpet bomb their housing estate' kind of thing. A "proportional response" is what its called.

    You do realise that this is far more about Likud being ahead in the polls than the rockets, I trust.....
    daveirl wrote: »
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    Actually all Palestinian groups agreed to stop suicide bombings within Israel. You can look it up.
    Gareth37 wrote:
    The antichrist is among us and his name begins with B.,.

    Brendan O'Connor? No, hes just an eejit.
    Seeing as Jesus is dead, how are they pointing guns at him? And wasn't he .....Jewish?
    IrishRail wrote:
    60 Israeli missiles to Hamas 450 plus missiles is hardly disproportionate
    also Hamas .,.

    Why is there so few Israeli dead then so, hmmmm?
    IrishRail wrote:
    and to please all the Jew haters .,.

    I see the intellectual level of this discussion is going to really take off now....
    IrishRail's big C&P wrote:
    It is both unrealistic and dangerous to believe that Hamas has abandoned its clearly stated and often reiterated goal of establishing an Islamic Palestinian state in all of the Holy Land, including all land claimed, annexed by, or in any way occupied by Israel.,.

    O Yes, thats a realistic possibility allright....


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    daveirl
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    #71
    Nodin
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    Mailman wrote: »
    Are the Israelis thick or something. You don't go killing hundreds of people on a slow news day when there is nothing else to report.

    ...but if you're doing it for the people who were deserting you for oul Netanyahu, sures its ideal.


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    #72
    Nodin
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    daveirl wrote: »
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    Here's a mad idea. Why not presume somebody isn't anti-jewish until they come out with something that clearly is and undeniably is.


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    #73
    daveirl
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    #74
    Mailman
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ...but if you're doing it for the people who were deserting you for oul Netanyahu, sures its ideal.
    those people would hear about it, even if it was the last item on the 6 0'Clock news before the "and finally" spot.


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    #75
    Boston
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    daveirl wrote: »
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    Not so, I used to be anti-Israel.


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    #76
    Jesus1222
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    daveirl wrote: »
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    Completely wrong. Anybody I know who is involved in political activity, Palestinian solidarity or whatever, would be completely horrified if any anti-Semitic statements were made in their presence. Anybody I know who is anti-Jewish is also pretty indiscriminate as to their racism, you'd want to hear what they say about Muslims.

    It should be pointed out that not every Israeli or Jew holds the exact same right-wing, pro-Israeli opinion on this subject, some have been known to hold personal opinions and would even agree 100% with the above Jew-hating statements. Shocking but true.


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    #77
    Jesus1222
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    Mailman wrote: »
    Are the Israelis thick or something. You don't go killing hundreds of people on a slow news day when there is nothing else to report.

    They need better PR.


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    #78
    Nodin
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    daveirl wrote: »
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    Why would who care about what? If you're referring to people who are blanket labelled anti-semites its because its extremely offensive to those who aren't.


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    #79
    kleefarr
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    I have a new approach to war.

    Lets bomb the warring parties with all of the confiscated cannabis and marijuana and make people chill out a bit.


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    #80
    Inquitus
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    Anyone who tries to justify using F16's to bomb a city as an acceptable, or proportional, response to Hamas lobbing a few RPG's and rockets at remote areas with little or no effect needs to have a look in a mirror.


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    #81
    Nodin
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    Jesus1222 wrote: »
    Anybody I know who is anti-Jewish is also pretty indiscriminate as to their racism, you'd want to hear what they say about Muslims.

    (As an aside I might mention that a great deal of the blather about muslims is almost exactly the kind of thing that used circulate about Slavs and Jews at the end of the 19th century amongst the right in Europe.)


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    #82
    Mailman
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    Jesus1222 wrote: »
    They need better PR.
    actually they do, the only Friends or rather not enemies, are American Jews who exert influence on American Politicians. Would you want to be lobbying on behalf of democratically elected governments that behave like wild dogs?


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    #83
    jonny72
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    Yeah can all the Pro-Israel right wing types just agree that this is an awful tragedy and stop trying to defend it. If your country was closed off, cut off, subjugated, bombed, etc you'd be the first ones out their trying to defend it, with sticks and stones if they were all you had.


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    #84
    dresden8
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    Ah, the old anti-semitic line.

    If Iran, or Serbia, were carrying out airstrikes in civilian areas leading to deaths in the hundreds on a regular basis, the ould carrier battle groups would be warming up for alpha-strikes on an ongoing basis.

    But once it's Israel, it's a weak call for restraint, from all sides, then carry on as you are Ehud.

    Hating the deaths of hundreds of civilians doesn't make you anti-semitic.

    It makes you human.


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    #85
    Nodin
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    Mailman wrote: »
    actually they do, the only Friends or rather not enemies, are American Jews who exert influence on American Politicians. Would you want to be lobbying on behalf of democratically elected governments that behave like wild dogs?

    Well the great debate there last year was the "is it the lobby, or is it that wants and needs coincide". I take the latter view, personally. If it ever became expedient, they'd drop them like a hot rock. And anyway, the US has backed far worse than Israel in its time lets face it.


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    #86
    Boston
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    jonny72 wrote: »
    Yeah can all the Pro-Israel right wing types just agree that this is an awful tragedy and stop trying to defend it. If your country was closed off, cut off, subjugated, bombed, etc you'd be the first ones out their trying to defend it, with sticks and stones if they were all you had.

    sounds like you're trying to defend rocket attacks by Hamas.


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    #87
    dresden8
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    Boston wrote: »
    sounds like you're trying to defend rocket attacks by Hamas.

    But they're not punishing Hamas.

    They're punishing a whole people.

    That makes it genocide.


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    #88
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    IRISH RAIL wrote: »
    SNIP[/url]

    Do you have your own view or do you go around cutting and pasteing from Israeli apologist websites?


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    #89
    Inquitus
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    Boston wrote: »
    sounds like you're trying to defend rocket attacks by Hamas.

    No it sounds alot like you are trying to equate F16's bombing an urban civilian centre with Hamas lobbing a few RPG's and rockets with little skill and accuracy at remote Settlements, and thinking its a fair and appropriate response.....


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    Boston
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    No it sounds alot like you are trying to equate F16's bombing an urban civilian centre with Hamas lobbing a few RPG's and rockets with little skill and accuracy at remote Settlements, and thinking its a fair and appropriate response.....

    Oh, so now war has to be fair? Both sides bomb civilian areas. That's the long and short of it. Israel is better at it then Hamas, that's all.


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    #91
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    No it sounds alot like you are trying to equate F16's bombing an urban civilian centre with Hamas lobbing a few RPG's and rockets with little skill and accuracy at remote Settlements, and thinking its a fair and appropriate response.....

    Not sounds, (s)he has already admitted to being an Israeli apologist who fails to see anything wrong with what they do. To that mindset, it is a proportional response as they fail to see anybody other than Israelis as human.


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