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michaelanthony wrote: »You must have hearing probems. Jeremy Clarkson says that it sounds like a third world construction site.
What was the point of your post? He never reviewed any V10TDI, so neither you nor him are qualified to make any statement on its sound (and he didnt say that in reference to the V10).
Its a moronic quote anyway, I would suspect a 3rd world construction site would utilise more manual labour than our own... so what, diesels sound like workmen shouting and using hand tools? Idiot. Diesels are quieter when driving and noisier when standing outside the car on a cold idle admiring your own reflection.
Thats the 2nd gen V8 TDI for the A8, the one around the time the V10 was out was only 4.0L and lower BHP. The V10 was designed as torque monster, I appreciate no one cares much for torque here, but the V10 (in stock form) compared to even the newer 4.2 only has slightly less BHP (10bhp) but considerably more torque (+75 ft/lbs). When pushing 2-2.5 ton tanks around, you really need that torque.The problem with the V10 Phaeton is that the V8 TDi in the A8 produces more bhp in the 4.2 form. It's less weight over the nose too. The 4.0 I think was a bit less alright. Still, the Phaeton might seem like a bargain except for the fact that it's holding its value better than the A8 which makes it dearer 2nd hand.
The 4.2 TDI is meant to be a fantastic engine when remapped however.
Also, thats the first time Ive ever seen a Phaeton critised for not depreciating fast enough!
The reality is the A8 TDI4.2 was cheaper to begin with by nearly 20k. Remember the A8 is positioned below the Phaeton in the VAG hierarchy.
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:ocHIuDVNAN4J:www.simi.ie/admin/files/Jun05.xls+simi+2005+list+price+phaeton&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=ie&client=firefox-a0 -
Matt Simis wrote: »Thats the 2nd gen V8 TDI for the A8, the one around the time the V10 was out was only 4.0L and lower BHP. The V10 was designed as torque monster, I appreciate no one cares much for torque here, but the V10 (in stock form) compared to even the newer 4.2 only has slightly less BHP (10bhp) but considerably more torque (+75 ft/lbs). When pushing 2-2.5 ton tanks around, you really need that torque.
The 4.2 TDI is meant to be a fantastic engine when remapped however.
Also, thats the first time Ive ever seen a Phaeton critised for not depreciating fast enough! The reality is the A8 TDI4.2 was cheaper to begin with by nearly 20k. Remember the A8 is positioned below the Phaeton in the VAG hierarchy.
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:ocHIuDVNAN4J:www.simi.ie/admin/files/Jun05.xls+simi+2005+list+price+phaeton&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=ie&client=firefox-a
I'm surprised at that, I thought it was cheaper than the A8. How did the prices of the 3 litre TDi in each compare when new? That would be a more like for like comparison.
I'd actually like a Phaeton, no one knows what it is and the V10 is a savage engine for sure. I would prefer the look of the A8 though, the Phaeton dated a little more quickly, but it's helped by its understated looks, so it shouldn't date as bad as the 01-04 Passat, which looks chronic now.
The V10 is €16k to VRT unfortunately, which is why I won't be getting one!0 -
I'm surprised at that, I thought it was cheaper than the A8. How did the prices of the 3 litre TDi in each compare when new? That would be a more like for like comparison.
I'd actually like a Phaeton, no one knows what it is and the V10 is a savage engine for sure. I would prefer the look of the A8 though, the Phaeton dated a little more quickly, but it's helped by its understated looks, so it shouldn't date as bad as the 01-04 Passat, which looks chronic now.
The V10 is €16k to VRT unfortunately, which is why I won't be getting one!
Have you seen a Phaeton in person? As the Passat starts to drift into memory the Phaeton becomes even more unique and solid looking. I like the rough industrial design of the A8, but I parked beside one of the same gen and I thought the Phaeton looked a generation newer. Curved, wide arches and a distinctive tail.
The 3.0L V6 TDI Phaeton is much, much cheaper these days then any Phaeton previously due to heavy discounts, so its not as "like for like" vs the A8 as you would think. For a while it was actually cheaper in the UK than Germany (likely still is) as part of an effort to field more Phaetons, any Phaetons, I suspect to justify the expensive training courses VW implemented for service centres. The base spec obviously is a lot lower than the V10/W12 on these newer V6 TDIs, then there is the engine..
Re the VRT, they tacked on nearly 3k more on my VRT over the VRT Calcs price due to spec, so 16/17k is the absolute minimum. You do realise mine is on Irish plates, VRT paid and ready to go yeah?
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Matt Simis wrote: »Have you seen a Phaeton in person? As the Passat starts to drift into memory the Phaeton becomes even more unique and solid looking. I like the rough industrial design of the A8, but I parked beside one of the same gen and I thought the Phaeton looked a generation newer. Curved, wide arches and a distinctive tail.
The 3.0L V6 TDI Phaeton is much, much cheaper these days then any Phaeton previously due to heavy discounts, so its not as "like for like" vs the A8 as you would think. For a while it was actually cheaper in the UK than Germany (likely still is) as part of an effort to field more Phaetons, any Phaetons, I suspect to justify the expensive training courses VW implemented for service centres. The base spec obviously is a lot lower than the V10/W12 on these newer V6 TDIs, then there is the engine..
Re the VRT, they tacked on nearly 3k more on my VRT over the VRT Calcs price due to spec, so 16/17k is the absolute minimum. You do realise mine is on Irish plates, VRT paid and ready to go yeah?
Actually didn't realise you were selling yours! I'll give ya ten for it! 
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Jaysus, Biro. Will you read the thread?
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Matt Simis wrote: »I answered that in the thread already! :P
No you didn't!
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Forgive me for not reading all the posts, is that VW Phaeton thing FWD? 500bhp? surely its a 4x4?
Mechanical (ie always on, vs Haldex type systems) Quattro 4 All Wheel Drive (4x4 is not the correct moniker). The first few hundred 3.2l Phaetons were FWD, very quickly terminated that version.
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Someone just sent me this:
New Cayenne GTS, V8 Petrol, 405BHP, 300kg lighter. Both totally flat out. Should walk all over a 2.6ton 313bhp diesel right?
Porsche guys reaction is priceless, "Here comes my kickdown...... wooooohh?!"
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I'm not surprised, think of the frontal area of a Cayenne.
Yeah, the Cayenne has a larger frontal area (to cool the engine better )
Aerodynamically, its .35Cd is surprisingly good however (peers are Audi Q7: .37Cd, Touareg: .38Cd, BMW X5 .34Cd)
Frontal Area: 2.36m2 (VW) vs 2.83 m2 (Cayenne, less than the X5, so its not biggest in class even)
Drag Coeff: 0.31cd (VW) vs .35cd
But aerodynamics are more a killer factor for determining top speed cap and come into play above 140mph (they ended at 160mph ish), not accelerating and maintaining accel upto that speed?0
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