Gerrard arrested

mayordenis

pvt.joker wrote: »

Says it all really. Disgraceful carry on from a thug of a player.

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ShiverinEskimo

It'll be interesting to see what the public opinion for him will be like IF he's found guilty and ends up doing time for it.

I have a feeling he will get a much better reception his return than Joey Barton did considering he is Liverpool's (and England's to an extent) golden boy.

Mitch Connor

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see what the public opinion for him will be like IF he's found guilty and ends up doing time for it.

I have a feeling he will get a much better reception his return than Joey Barton did considering he is Liverpool's (and England's to an extent) golden boy.

in fairness - with Barton it wasn't a one off incident that turned people against him. Gerrard has put in some nasty 'tackles' on the football pitch and has said things that have greatly irritated some football fans, but he doesn't have previous for this kind of thing - no stories of him stubbing cigars out on youth team players, or beating team mates black and blue. Sure, if he is found guilty, it will be a terrible incident, but it will not be the latest in a long line of regrettable incidents of this nature.

spockety

pvt.joker wrote: »

Says it all really. Disgraceful carry on from a thug of a player.

Well you know, once a scouser always a scouser eh!!!!!!!!!!1



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I GuanYin

I GuanYin wrote: »

To be fair, a conviction for Stevie G is against all odds.....

Unless there's 12 Evertonians on the jury.
Surprised at this, Stevie G doesn't exactly have a history in this regard. Then again I have heard that the man 'assaulted' is a Manc.

ntlbell

mayordenis wrote: »

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should be interesting to see how you defend this....

stovelid

I doubt very much if he'll 'do time'. If he even hit the guy. If the magistrate even sees fit to even convict anybody.

Note abundance of ifs.

ShiverinEskimo

Mitch Connor wrote: »

in fairness - with Barton it wasn't a one off incident that turned people against him. Gerrard has put in some nasty 'tackles' on the football pitch and has said things that have greatly irritated some football fans, but he doesn't have previous for this kind of thing - no stories of him stubbing cigars out on youth team players, or beating team mates black and blue. Sure, if he is found guilty, it will be a terrible incident, but it will not be the latest in a long line of regrettable incidents of this nature.

Fair enough but a glassing is a glassing. If it is proven he glassed someone than he's not exactly a stone's throw away from being 'a jeoy barton' so to speak in that he is capable of afflicting bodily harm on someone. Whatever about a slap or a 1 on 1 fist fight we've all been in them. But to pick up a glass and wrap it round someone's face - that's scumbag regardless of previous history.

grames_bond

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Fair enough but a glassing is a glassing. If it is proven he glassed someone than he's not exactly a stone's throw away from being 'a jeoy barton' so to speak in that he is capable of afflicting bodily harm on someone. Whatever about a slap or a 1 on 1 fist fight we've all been in them. But to pick up a glass and wrap it round someone's face - that's scumbag regardless of previous history.

spockety

Well Gerrard didn't do any glassing.

This is what the local in the know paper says:

The ECHO can confirm a dispute broke out after a song request was turned down.

At some stage a bottle was smashed over the head or face of the 34-year-old victim, but not by Gerrard.

mayordenis

ntlbell wrote: »

should be interesting to see how you defend this....

what do I even have to defend? speculation?

come on now.

premierstone

mayordenis wrote: »

what do I even have to defend? speculation?

come on now.

Pretty sure he has been charged with ''assault and affray'', not ''speculation'' or are you claiming he has only been charged because he's famous?

fullstop

spockety wrote: »

Well Gerrard didn't do any glassing.

This is what the local in the know paper says:

They're in the know but they don't know if the bottle was smashed over his head or his face......

Harpy

i read can't even remember now where that, it was more his friends that gerrard wanted a song or wanted to change songs and ended up getting argy bargey with the DJ and shoved passed him with an elbow but then his friends got involved and it all blew up..

IT depends really on how much facial damage is done to your man.. also if it is the DJ they willl probably come to some sort of agreement if gerrard is a regular in there...Unless Gerrard and his friends really mangled him which i really doubt

mayordenis

premierstone wrote: »

Pretty sure he has been charged with ''assault and affray'', not ''speculation'' or are you claiming he has only been charged because he's famous?

you know the diference between charged and convicted right?

kida

Harpy wrote: »

i read can't even remember now where that, it was more his friends that gerrard wanted a song or wanted to change songs and ended up getting argy bargey with the DJ and shoved passed him with an elbow but then his friends got involved and it all blew up..

IT depends really on how much facial damage is done to your man.. also if it is the DJ they willl probably come to some sort of agreement if gerrard is a regular in there...Unless Gerrard and his friends really mangled him which i really doubt

prerry sure thats the reason he has been charged with affray - it does not rely on anyone pressing charges

Harpy

kida wrote: »

prerry sure thats the reason he has been charged with affray - it does not rely on anyone pressing charges

ah i see.. cheers didn't know that..

ShiverinEskimo

Harpy wrote: »

i read can't even remember now where that, it was more his friends that gerrard wanted a song or wanted to change songs and ended up getting argy bargey with the DJ and shoved passed him with an elbow but then his friends got involved and it all blew up..

IT depends really on how much facial damage is done to your man.. also if it is the DJ they willl probably come to some sort of agreement if gerrard is a regular in there...Unless Gerrard and his friends really mangled him which i really doubt

The police have charged him with Assault and Affray which normally means there can't be a deal made with the DJ in return for the charges being dropped or what not.

It's a public order offence which means he is being taken to court by the council/state whether the DJ presses charges or not and therefore can't settle out of court and avoid punishment.

I assume there must be CCTV footage or a few witnesses because otherwise he'd probably have persuaded his mates to take the blame - since he's been charged and three others let go the police must have some solid idea of who did what.

Latchy

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

I assume there must be CCTV footage or a few witnesses because otherwise he'd probably have persuaded his mates to take the blame - since he's been charged and three others let go the police must have some solid idea of who did what.

Sounds like six of one /half dozen of other .Stephen Gerrard is not your typical glass thrower type person .Be very surprised if he is the one accused of throwing it but any cctv will reviel all

~Rebel~

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

I assume there must be CCTV footage or a few witnesses because otherwise he'd probably have persuaded his mates to take the blame - since he's been charged and three others let go the police must have some solid idea of who did what.

indeed, most reports now seem to agree that Gerrard did little other then have a few verbals and a little shoving with the Dj, while the 2 buddies did all the damage.

premierstone

mayordenis wrote: »

you know the diference between charged and convicted right?

I do thank you very much I am also very sure that they dont charge someone without some evidence or just for the hell of it, why were the other three mates released???

Xavi6

latchyco wrote: »

Sounds like six of one /half dozen of other .Stephen Gerrard is not your typical glass thrower type person .Be very surprised if he is the one accused of throwing it but any cctv will reviel all

How would you know that? Friend of his?

premierstone

I GuanYin wrote: »

How would you know that? Friend of his?

+1 beat me too it, lmao people think because they watch him on a football field they know what kind of person he is

Latchy

I GuanYin wrote: »

How would you know that? Friend of his?

No not a friend of his .I have met him twice , once on the street near his locality and at a social function .Simply saying he doesnt strike me as a trouble maker in the joey barton style and in any similar situation does anybody know how their friends or associates will react ? .If your joe soap it doesnt make much news ,if your a pro footballer it does .

Neil3030

premierstone wrote: »

+1 beat me too it, lmao people think because they watch him on a football field they know what kind of person he is

In fairness, at 28 years of age and having been a professional footballer for some 10+ years, if he was 'the type' we would have heard about a situation like this long before now.

Latchy

premierstone wrote: »

+1 beat me too it, lmao people think because they watch him on a football field they know what kind of person he is

I think you would have to be devoid of intelligence to come to the conclusion that footballers/celebs are like the people they portray on tv/football pitch .The best footballer in the world ' george best ' put paid to that illiusion .Him and hundreds of other celebs .

zing

Even if he is guilty here I can't see him getting much more than a fine and a slap on the wrists tbh. I don't necessarily agree with that but that's how I suspect it'll play out - he's never been in trouble with the law before, has an impeccable record, is seen as an ambassador for the city & country , any work he's done with charities/the community will be brought to light, etc..

One thing though - all three have had the same charges brought against them afaik. If the guys had a glass or bottle smashed across his head or in his face or whatever then that's probably the most serious part of this incident. Only one of them could have done that (reports only suggest one glass/bottle) so it's quite likely that the charges will be revised against one or all of them - be that for more or less serious charges.

buckfasterer

Surely the FA are going to have to ban him if found guilty......ie Joey Barton. Cant be a rule for 1 and not for another. But then again, he is the golden boy and it'll depend what England games are coming up i suppose.

mike65

The CPS solicitor will decide whats what not the FA!

ShiverinEskimo

was the joey barton ban from the FA not in relation to the training ground incident? ie. At work and therefore falling under association scrutiny?

mike65 wrote:

The CPS solicitor will decide whats what not the FA!

I'm sure Gerrard went no win/no fee being scouse and all. :P

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buckfasterer wrote: »

it'll depend what England games are coming up i suppose.

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zing

Terry got a temp ban from the FA when he was charged with similar offenses. Suspect Gerrard will get the same.

citytillidie

pvt.joker wrote: »

Says it all really. Disgraceful carry on from a thug of a player.

I have never seen Gerrard do what Ronaldo has done in the past 4 games.

Gerrard had commeted bad challenges in the game but i would not call him a thug like Ronaldo who kicks out at players when on the ground like Dawson and last week v Stoke or last night v boro

colly10

latchyco wrote: »

I think you would have to be devoid of intelligence to come to the conclusion that footballers/celebs are like the people they portray on tv/football pitch .The best footballer in the world ' george best ' put paid to that illiusion .Him and hundreds of other celebs .

Wouldn't agree, you'd know that Barton/Bellamy are scum by how they go on on the pitch and as someone said, Gerrard is 10 years as a pro and this is the first incident we've heard of, if he was a troublemaker it would have came out when he was younger.
We'll see but id be very surprised if he did any more than push this guy, actually id put money on it with anyone willing to take me up on it that he didn't glass anyone

ShiverinEskimo

citytillidie wrote: »

I have never seen Gerrard do what Ronaldo has done in the past 4 games.

Gerrard had commeted bad challenges in the game but i would not call him a thug like Ronaldo who kicks out at players when on the ground like Dawson and last week v Stoke or last night v boro

Here we go. Someone has a pop at Gerrard and so the comparisons to all other top four best players come flying in. Sweet lord bless us and save us. While the orignal comment about Gerrard was a pointless low blow your inclusion of Ronaldo in this conversation is equally as pointless.

spockety

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Here we go. Someone has a pop at Gerrard and so the comparisons to all other top four best players come flying in. Sweet lord bless us and save us. While the orignal comment about Gerrard was a pointless low blow your inclusion of Ronaldo in this conversation is equally as pointless.

So are posts like 'once a scouser always a scouser', which came from the quoted poster in that case. And let's put it like it is, it's nothing to do with top four, it's united and liverpool. This forum is gonna explode at some point this season, it's getting mental.

pvt.joker

spockety wrote: »

So are posts like 'once a scouser always a scouser', which came from the quoted poster in that case. And let's put it like it is, it's nothing to do with top four, it's united and liverpool. This forum is gonna explode at some point this season, it's getting mental.

Let's face it, scousers are not known for their calm reasoned behaviour, and/or clean criminal records. Stevie GBH has been shown up finally for the thug that he is.
Lock him up and throw away the key.

cournioni

Free Steeeeeevie G laaaa! Foohhhhkin innocent la! It's da foohhhkin peelers trying to sabotaaaage our season la!

Hilarious how a fan Liverpool on the very first page more or less said, "it was nothing, steevie g couldn't possibly do that. Us scousers are lovely, it's not in our nature etc."

I hope the book is thrown at him like it was at Joey Barton... But that will never happen due to the outcry of grief from the scousers once again.

~Rebel~

indeed. Irrespective of any other players or clubs, the bottom line is Gerrard has always appeared to be a fairly grounded, decent lad. All interviews are always fine, lots of charity work, plenty of documentaries have always seemed fine.

The way players lives are under a microscope, if he'd done anything bad in his previous 10years as a pro - we'd know about it. For god sake, this is a fairly simple scrap in a bar, the likes of which happens in every city in the world, every night of the week, but we know about this one because he's involved in some way and for no other reason.

He may be at fault, he may not, all we can say is that to date his record has been good, and he obviously hasn't seemed the sort to react to provocation, as every player seems to get provoked on a very regular basis when they go out for a few drinks and we've heard nought about him before this.

~Rebel~

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Free Steeeeeevie G laaaa! Foohhhhkin innocent la! It's da foohhhkin peelers trying to sabotaaaage our season la!

Hilarious how a fan Liverpool on the very first page more or less said, "it was nothing, steevie g couldn't possibly do that. Us scousers are lovely, it's not in our nature etc."

I hope the book is thrown at him like it was at Joey Barton... But that will never happen.

so its hilarious how some pool fans say its probably a nothing deal, but then you seem to have him already guilty and deserving of literature being chucked at him. pots and kettles?

How about a bit of balance eh? He might be guilty of some heinous crime, he might not, its not particularly clever to be leaping on it without any real knowledge of the case whatsoever. We can look at his past behaviour, and beyond that just wait for more news, and thats about it.

Latchy

colly10 wrote: »

Wouldn't agree, you'd know that Barton/Bellamy are scum by how they go on on the pitch and as someone said, Gerrard is 10 years as a pro and this is the first incident we've heard of, if he was a troublemaker it would have came out when he was younger.
We'll see but id be very surprised if he did any more than push this guy, actually id put money on it with anyone willing to take me up on it that he didn't glass anyone

Oh yes agreed ,what you see is what you get with Barton Belllemy and co .We often put people up on pedestals and have expectations about how they should behave. It's not just with people in highly visible positions of responsibility, we also do it with our friends and family. .Yet many will gladly Q to get the authographs and have their photos taken with the star .The whole cleb culture is shallow anyway and most of the players as well as most fans know this anyway .Gerrard is not a thug imo and doesent deserved to be put into that category on or off the pitch .

Latchy

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

I hope the book is thrown at him like it was at Joey Barton... But that will never happen due to the outcry of grief from the scousers once again.

If anybody sticks up for one of their own it's called loyalty .If scousers do it , it's turned into a 'how dare they ' ? .Like why souldent they support him ? Doesnt mean they dont understand the difference between wrong or right or doing anything any other football fans wouldent do if it was one of theirs .I have seen this silly argument about scousers many times before , usually by some Manc with a grievience againts liverpool fc or liverpublians in general .

invincibleirish

remains unclear what exactly happened at the popular celebrity nightspot, but one report has suggested that Gerrard and a group of his friends got involved in an altercation after the DJ refused to allow them to choose the songs played on the venue's sound system. Gerrard is a big fan of Phil Collins and counts the singer's greatest hits as his favourite album. He is also partial to Coldplay.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/dec/30/steven-gerrard-liverpool1

LOL with cheese like that i'd be violent if someone came requesting that, prem footballer or otherwise.

cournioni

~Rebel~ wrote: »

so its hilarious how some pool fans say its probably a nothing deal, but then you seem to have him already guilty and deserving of literature being chucked at him. pots and kettles?

How about a bit of balance eh? He might be guilty of some heinous crime, he might not, its not particularly clever to be leaping on it without any real knowledge of the case whatsoever. We can look at his past behaviour, and beyond that just wait for more news, and thats about it.

Excuse me, have you been reading any of the news?? He started the fight which ended up with a man that ended up losing a tooth, needing stitches and a black eye. These are factual injuries. Not ones that have been made up, there was pictures of the dance floor with the mans blood on it for **** sake. Witnesses said that Gerrard elbowed the man in the mouth and then Gerrards buddies got involved. Maybe that's made up by the witnesses is it? Just like the witnesses in Bulgaria perhaps??

opr

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Excuse me, have you been reading any of the news?? He started the fight which ended up with a man that ended up losing a tooth, needing stitches and a black eye. These are factual injuries. Not ones that have been made up, there was pictures of the dance floor with the mans blood on it for **** sake. Witnesses said that Gerrard elbowed the man in the mouth and then Gerrards buddies got involved. Maybe that's made up by the witnesses is it? Just like the witnesses in Bulgaria perhaps??

Links plz ?

Opr

spockety

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Excuse me, have you been reading any of the news?? He started the fight which ended up with a man that ended up losing a tooth, needing stitches and a black eye. These are factual injuries. Not ones that have been made up, there was pictures of the dance floor with the mans blood on it for **** sake. Witnesses said that Gerrard elbowed the man in the mouth and then Gerrards buddies got involved. Maybe that's made up by the witnesses is it? Just like the witnesses in Bulgaria perhaps??

He started it? Are you sure? Source? Minute by minute account please?

Draupnir

spockety wrote: »

So are posts like 'once a scouser always a scouser', which came from the quoted poster in that case. And let's put it like it is, it's nothing to do with top four, it's united and liverpool. This forum is gonna explode at some point this season, it's getting mental.

You're probably right, but every post I read of yours lately is just you winding the situation up. So what shall we do to prevent forum implosion? Maybe stop acting the tit?

Feel a bit sorry for Gerrard in all this, lads get into a bit of hassle like this now and again and it is hard enough to deal with in private. Being high profile just makes it so much worse, it will be a tough time for him and the time to the court case will drag for him.

Also, the wife and kids can't be having a great Xmas/New Year break at this stage.

Bluetonic

mayordenis wrote: »

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Anyhow I guess his new years message might miss a few people now.

Steven Gerrard's prayer for end to gun crimes

Chucky the tree

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Excuse me, have you been reading any of the news?? He started the fight which ended up with a man that ended up losing a tooth, needing stitches and a black eye. These are factual injuries. Not ones that have been made up, there was pictures of the dance floor with the mans blood on it for **** sake. Witnesses said that Gerrard elbowed the man in the mouth and then Gerrards buddies got involved. Maybe that's made up by the witnesses is it? Just like the witnesses in Bulgaria perhaps??

It's all speculation. It seems he pushed past the DJ, then the DJ got agro, maybe gerrard was just defending himself at that stage because he felt the agro DJ was going to attack him? You cant blame him for his mates jumping in and giving your man a kicking.

Latchy

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

. Maybe that's made up by the witnesses is it? Just like the witnesses in Bulgaria perhaps??

At least the man in Bulgaria came forward to admit the wrong man ( shields ) was charged .Pity he didnt go back to do his time for him .