Why do Irish men?

g5fd6ow0hseima

Húrin wrote: »

Well we are repressed and all. Niceness to foreign women? Well a lot of Irish women have much more negative attitudes to male attempts at communication. Maybe that's why.

These days young women are just as bad as the boys for drinking too much.

Not that I'm advocating disrespect.

Very well Said, I feel it all boils down to our teenage years to be honest, even in our early 20s it a group of lads going 'oi, would ya do dat 1 if ya had a few pints n ya' (etc), and on the other hand a group of girls in deep discussion about the arrogance of that lad over in the corner. Basically, there's too much friction between the sexes on these shores for my liking. Personally, I blame the whole catholic climate which prevailed in the preceeding decades, something which hasnt just fully worn off.

I try to treat men and women as the same when socialising, and girls just cant understand it. Sadly, playing the sly charmer wins in most cases, a role i detest!

Húrin

Aubriella Cuddly Gout wrote: »

Very well Said, I feel it all boils down to our teenage years to be honest, even in our early 20s it a group of lads going 'oi, would ya do dat 1 if ya had a few pints n ya' (etc), and on the other hand a group of girls in deep discussion about the arrogance of that lad over in the corner. Basically, there's too much friction between the sexes on these shores for my liking. Personally, I blame the whole catholic climate which prevailed in the preceeding decades, something which hasnt just fully worn off.

Definitely, people need to relax. I would put a lot of blame on single-sex schooling. Such a rubbish idea.

g5fd6ow0hseima

Húrin wrote: »

Definitely, people need to relax. I would put a lot of blame on single-sex schooling. Such a rubbish idea.

Yup, ive went on plenty of rants about it. People dont seem to realise that its the sole cause for friendships to occur along gender lines, as opposed to gender not being an issue.

I went to an all boys national/secondary school, ive suffered under this system.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Fembot, scram...

Why do Irish women... bla bla bla... you get the picture.

grenache

Húrin wrote: »

Definitely, people need to relax. I would put a lot of blame on single-sex schooling. Such a rubbish idea.

I would like to second that, single sex schools are from a by-gone era and should have been done away with years ago. It definitely affects a guys ability to understand and relate to the fairer sex. Funny that its most prevalent in the bigger towns and cities - the chulchies obviously got their act together years ago!

Latchy

grenache wrote: »

I would like to second that, single sex schools are from a by-gone era and should have been done away with years ago. It definitely affects a guys ability to understand and relate to the fairer sex. Funny that its most prevalent in the bigger towns and cities - the chulchies obviously got their act together years ago!

Yeah ,we teen/ twenty somting dubs used to frequent the likes of wexford ,waterford ,wiclow etc on bank holiday weekends in droves to get a piece of the action were we were welcomed with open arms by the local talent ie - yore sister

allabouteve

shqipshume wrote: »

Not know how to treat a lady right?
Why when they get to age of about 24 they start to get beer bellies and not take care of themselves like foreign men?
Why do they get Loud and drink way to much?
Why do they show respect more to foreign women then they do to their own?

Now not all but alot

I have noticed that here they really dont know how to carry on with women in right manner


lol

I'm not Irish.

When I lived in Ireland:

The men I met were, almost without exception, good looking, respectful, treated me royally, sexy, humorous, well-spoken, and in very good shape.

They don't all hide in daylight and come out of the shadows for non-Irish girls, do they?

Tricity Bendix

grenache wrote: »

I would like to second that, single sex schools are from a by-gone era and should have been done away with years ago. It definitely affects a guys ability to understand and relate to the fairer sex. Funny that its most prevalent in the bigger towns and cities - the chulchies obviously got their act together years ago!

Actually, that's because it's hard to justify having two schools in places with lower population density.

shqipshume

Dudess wrote: »

Indeed. And you find that objectionable, so why are you engaging in the same generalising?

I didnt generalise people put themselves in that generalisation i said not all! People taking it personal if they dont fit in that general description is not my problem;) Cause if they dont then why do they care.
Also i didnt see anyone run to defend their Irish girls not even the Irish girls
Its a boards i had a question from my observations and also brought on by the way men were talking about women of ireland.
Whats ur problem?
I didnt slate anyone nor was i rude i already said sorry about some of it cause i took it a little to far.

shqipshume

allabouteve wrote: »

I'm not Irish.

When I lived in Ireland:

The men I met were, almost without exception, good looking, respectful, treated me royally, sexy, humorous, well-spoken, and in very good shape.

They don't all hide in daylight and come out of the shadows for non-Irish girls, do they?

thats nice of you to say:),they will be chuffed and i will be bad girl lol

I dont know girl its possible lol

Latchy

allabouteve wrote: »

They don't all hide in daylight and come out of the shadows for non-Irish girls, do they?

It might boil down to self esteem issues as much as being valued by foriegn womon .I once had a fling with an italian girl in Dublin back in the 80s , who told me I was her blue eyed boy balh blah ( ok i'm exagerating a bit ) but i knew it was only a summer thing and glad for the expierence none the less .

allabouteve

latchyco wrote: »

It might boil down to self esteem issues as much as being valued by foriegn womon

I might add that almost all of the men I met were convinced they were unattractive.

And they really weren't. Not just saying it to be nice either.

S.I.R

shqipshume wrote: »

Not know how to treat a lady right?
Why when they get to age of about 24 they start to get beer bellies and not take care of themselves like foreign men?
Why do they get Loud and drink way to much?
Why do they show respect more to foreign women then they do to their own?

Now not all but alot

I have noticed that here they really dont know how to carry on with women in right manner


lol

your clearly looking in the wrong place for fella's... if anything it proves why so many women are single :rolleyes:

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

They say, single sex schools have less "distractions", Oh and I am sure that the church had a lot to do with single sex schools too? No? I went to a mixed and a single sex school... Much preferred the mixed school for obvious reasons. I also done really well in biology.

Latchy

allabouteve wrote: »

I might add that almost all of the men I met were convinced they were unattractive.

And they really weren't. Not just saying it to be nice either.

Well there ya go , although irishmen ( and i am one ) can sometimes play the lost schoolboy ,some better than others

Zaiden Sweet Grit wrote: »

They say, single sex schools have less "distractions", Oh and I am sure that the church had a lot to do with single sex schools too? No? I went to a mixed and a single sex school... Much preferred the mixed school for obvious reasons. I also done really well in biology.

Exactley and just as well i saw through their fiendish schemes when i was about ..10 .Me and trish were destined to have that kiss behind the school shed and i wasn't going to play the lost schoolboy role into adulthood either

allabouteve

latchyco wrote: »

Well there ya go , although irishmen ( and i am one ) can sometimes play the lost schoolboy ,some better than others

I know. They make you fall for the little boy in them, and before you know it, you've got a little boy in you.

Latchy

allabouteve wrote: »

I know. They make you fall for the little boy in them, and before you know it, you've got a little boy in you.

That's what they call the Irish exporia explosion

( intresting to see some irish males on the thread put a lot of it down to the school /religious system ,at least it's a point of reference for them )

g5fd6ow0hseima

latchyco wrote: »

That's what they call the Irish exporia explosion

( intresting to see some irish males on the thread put a lot of it down to the school /religious system ,at least it's a point of reference for them )

So in your view where does the schooling system stand in all this?

Húrin

Aubriella Cuddly Gout wrote: »

Yup, ive went on plenty of rants about it. People dont seem to realise that its the sole cause for friendships to occur along gender lines, as opposed to gender not being an issue.

I went to an all boys national/secondary school, ive suffered under this system.

Well I think there is a natural inclination to form more friendships with members of the same sex, though I would agree that the practically military levels of segregation in the realm of friend ship is school's fault. I'm just glad I went to a majority female third level institution, so many of my friends are girls.

allabouteve wrote: »

I might add that almost all of the men I met were convinced they were unattractive.

And they really weren't. Not just saying it to be nice either.

I am starting to see a link between this and the claim that Irish women are stuck up. Are you seeing it too?

gaeilgegrinds

Possibly that being segregated leads to heightened inhibitions around the opposite sex?

Latchy

Aubriella Cuddly Gout wrote: »

So in your view where does the schooling system stand in all this?

In my view ? well the schooling system is mentioned in the thread as reference to irish men / womon and I just elaborated on it a bit as in refering to the particular era i was brought up in and it seems a lot hasnt changed . It was repressive in every way you can think of .Is that why you ask ?

( ps - will get back later if not sooner )

allabouteve

latchyco wrote: »

That's what they call the Irish exporia explosion

See? Loads of humour. Irresistible.

Usually.

Latchy

allabouteve wrote: »

See? Loads of humour. Irresistible.

Usually.

Defo something in the blood
alright ........thanks

Dudess

shqipshume wrote: »

Also i didnt see anyone run to defend their Irish girls not even the Irish girls

I'm sick of doing it.

Mal-Adjusted

it's probably backlash to some other failed relationship. but in all fairness, women have nothing to complain about. most girls i've met out are experts at toying with lads emotions. plenty of my friends are women and most nights out with a group, i'd see one or two of 'em select a few lads, spend a half hour with each, then just stay with the one who's bought them the most drinks in that time. forgive me if i dont have too much sympathy:rolleyes:

Mc Love

shqipshume wrote: »

Dammit guess when i was single just kept missing you :(typical

yes nice post thanks i wasnt taring all with same brush just talking about the ones who do act like dip****s
so u are excluded.:)

Thanks

Deleted User wrote: »

Our culture has been so pulled towards the pub scene that we do not know how to fully interact without a pint in our hands and the music blaring so loud that the only way to talk is through charades. The amount of times I've wanted to meet girls (yes, I guess you can call it a date) and their first idea is a pub is incredible.

And if you try to mention anything different (a cafe, a moonlit walk to some bench where you can sit and talk) they think you're being weird.

Couldnt agree more boney!

Definitely dont go to the cinema - worst date ever! Pub is probably best option by far, and afaik restaurant/meal for 2nd date?

Dudess

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

it's probably backlash to some other failed relationship. but in all fairness, women have nothing to complain about. most girls i've met out are experts at toying with lads emotions. plenty of my friends are women and most nights out with a group, i'd see one or two of 'em select a few lads, spend a half hour with each, then just stay with the one who's bought them the most drinks in that time. forgive me if i dont have too much sympathy:rolleyes:

Yeah well some girls DON'T carry on like that - me, for example. In fact some girls get as pissed off about that kind of crap as lads do...

Mal-Adjusted

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah well some girls DON'T carry on like that - me, for example. In fact some girls get as pissed off about that kind of crap as lads do...

i do hope so:rolleyes:

funloving

shqipshume wrote: »

Why do they show respect more to foreign women then they do to their own?

Do they?????:rolleyes: :eek:

shqipshume

Dudess wrote: »

I'm sick of doing it.

You see thats what i mean. You shouldnt be having that feeling of been sick of it.

shqipshume

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah well some girls DON'T carry on like that - me, for example. In fact some girls get as pissed off about that kind of crap as lads do...

Totally agree with you there.I dont do that either never have and never would.And it pisses me off aswell!

shqipshume

funloving wrote: »

Do they?????:rolleyes: :eek:

I saw that pic! Are you implying that was an Irish guy with a foreign girl in that pic?

Dudess

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

i do hope so:rolleyes:

Oh fair enough, you've encountered a lot of asshole girls so it's their gender that's the problem, not the fact that they're assholes.

Good reason to tar an entire gender I suppose...

funloving

shqipshume wrote: »

I saw that pic! Are you implying that was an Irish guy with a foreign girl in that pic?

I'm not implying anything...you are right,the girl in the pic is a foreigner...that's me :P

shqipshume

funloving wrote: »

I'm not implying anything...you are right,the girl in the pic is a foreigner...that's me :P

Hahaha well then thats you doing what u want to do(And the guy in pic is Not irish either)?
where you from?

4zn76tysfajdxp

shqipshume wrote: »

You see thats what i mean. You shouldnt be having that feeling of been sick of it.

Didn't stop you from making generalisations about men in this thread...

shqipshume

Alma Kind Thief wrote: »

Didn't stop you from making generalisations about men in this thread...

Nope it wasnt Gereralisation its true of those men who act like that i asked why do they?! I didnt say all!

Nice try

4zn76tysfajdxp

shqipshume wrote: »

Nope it wasnt Gereralisation its true of those men who act like that i asked why do they?! I didnt say all!

Nice try

Yep, ya got me.

Oh wait:

shqipshume wrote: »

Why when they get to age of about 24 they start to get beer bellies and not take care of themselves like foreign men?

You may have thought you got out of any retorts with the use of "a lot" regarding Irish men, but I see no get-out-of-jail-free card here. All foreign men take care of themselves and don't have beer bellies, eh? Sounds like a fairly broad generalisation to me...

shqipshume

Alma Kind Thief wrote: »

Yep, ya got me.

Oh wait:



You may have thought you got out of any retorts with the use of "a lot" regarding Irish men, but I see no get-out-of-jail-free card here. All foreign men take care of themselves and don't have beer bellies, eh? Sounds like a fairly broad generalisation to me...

hahaha you got me with that one :olol ofc i didnt mean all but majority i know and see everyday,They dont

Mal-Adjusted

Mal-Adjusted wrote:

plenty of my friends are women and most nights out with a group, i'd see one or two of 'em select a few lads, spend a half hour with each, then just stay with the one who's bought them the most drinks in that time. forgive me if i dont have too much sympathy:rolleyes:

stop buying them drinks then ffs
edit: as a general note not you personally

Earthhorse

Just on the whole single-sex schools thing, having been at mixed schools all my life I really don't think it's made a blind bit of difference. If anything it could be said to be a disadvantage, as most people in the state went to single sex schools and so that whole "the other gender is alien to us" attitude that prevails is something you can't get your head around.

HoorayForPeePee

Alma Kind Thief wrote: »

All...

Hand of God?

Looks more like he ate the lamb of God to be honest.

Mal-Adjusted

Dudess wrote: »

Oh fair enough, you've encountered a lot of asshole girls so it's their gender that's the problem, not the fact that they're assholes.

Good reason to tar an entire gender I suppose...

so it's okay to do the exact same to lads, which is what this thread is, y'know?
talk about double standards.

Mal-Adjusted

bluewolf wrote: »

stop buying them drinks then ffs
edit: as a general note not you personally

+1

Dudess

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

so it's okay to do the exact same to lads, which is what this thread is, y'know?
talk about double standards.

Where did I say it was ok? In fact:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58437593&postcount=184
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58447180&postcount=250

Now I really don't get the logic of you defending your generalisations against females with "but that's what's being done to lads here". How can you moan about generalising against one group, yet then generalise yourself against another group? Double standards indeed.

Mal-Adjusted

Dudess wrote: »

How can you moan about generalising against one group, yet then generalise yourself against another group?

can you read what you're wrighting by any chance?:rolleyes:

Dudess

Obviously you're not reading what I'm writing seeing as you implied I thought it was ok for generalisations to be made against men, despite my posts to the contrary. I don't agree with generalisations being made against anyone.

Oh and to quote stovelid: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57463378&postcount=184

mehfesto2

I HONESTLY want the five minutes of my life back that it took to read this thread.
Total rubbish from start to finish.

pseudonym1

It seems to me OP you refuse to accept that you are wrong. Irish men do not have more respect for forgein women than they do IRish (I find the suggestion dogmatic TBH) same way dont think they have more respect for Irish women than forgein. There are a percentage of scumbags in this country and they are disrespectful to lots of people. It seems that these are the menfolk you have encountered but trust me when I say they are far and few between. As for keeping fit - again is relevant to some and not others

Hope this helps :pac::D:eek:

Mal-Adjusted

Dudess wrote: »

Obviously you're not reading what I'm writing seeing as you implied I thought it was ok for generalisations to be made against men, despite my posts to the contrary. I don't agree with generalisations being made against anyone.

Oh and to quote stovelid: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57463378&postcount=184

i'd go on but it would be talking in circles, so i'll refer you to my last post.
keep it up though:rolleyes: