Irish Squad/Ireland XV for Six Nations?

Goose81

Hes an ex Ulster prop that plays for Exeter.

Serenity Now!

Brewster wrote: »

He (Humphreys) destroyed Munster at Thomond on his own....

No he didn't. This is an easy question really: Where exactly were Munster truly beaten?

sm.org

Goose81 wrote: »

I dont even think im gona bother watching these 6 nations.

Good then we wont have to listen to continuous provincal sarcasm.

Brewster

Serenity Now! wrote: »

No he didn't. This is an easy question really: Where exactly were Munster truly beaten?

Course he did, was responsible for two or three of tries from what I can remeber due to individual brilliance. Im a Leinster fan, and what exactly has Jonathon Sexton achieved this season? Im actually shocked at that call. Its such an easy call to make...

RuggieBear

Serenity Now! wrote: »

Hey Ruggie, can we merge the two Ireland Squad threads? Its bad enough having to read the same moany old sods once but repeating themselves twice??

Merged.....I'm one of those moany old sods!

Rattlehead_ie

Ive figured it out. On the Wednesday before the games he will have 15 players on a team 4 subs each play against each other and the winning team gets to play that weekend, no?

Goose81

sm.org wrote: »

Good then we wont have to listen to continuous provincal sarcasm.

Why would I say anything about provincial when commenting on a live ireland match.

Its not eally good either.
The Irfu are gona lose money when people stop watching and going to matches.Especially Ulster folk who you know are just gona get screwed again.

Why would I watch the match when the selection process in unfair?

Someone please explain to me how Dowling got into the main team and Johne murphy didnt make the A's?
Clearly picking favourites.

Where is Pollock?

thehighground

Brewster wrote: »

Paddy Wallace is a super player, and does not deserve that level of sarcasm to be honest! How Ian Humphreys is not is squad is a joke. He destroyed Munster at Thomond on his own....

Look, we saw Ian Humphreys 'destroy' Munster in Thomond with Leicester 2 years ago!

In all seriousness, Ian Humphreys is much better to actually get a game against the Saxons instead of collecting splinters for the French match. There is no way he is going to make his international debut against France. That is a kindness to him (and wise - his confidence could be destroyed in front of 82K people).

Chucky the tree

Brewster wrote: »

Paddy Wallace is a super player, and does not deserve that level of sarcasm to be honest! How Ian Humphreys is not is squad is a joke. He destroyed Munster at Thomond on his own....

Not at outhalf though. Kidos has basically already let everyone know he has no intertest in trying out a new outhalf and Wallace will be in the 22 as a sub OH who will get little to no game time. Wallace is not a good OH, he is a first centre and that's where he should stay.

This squad looks awful from a backs point of view, he's basically picked a utility squad with the majority of backs able to play various positions. There 2 out and out wingers and 1 of them is no where near international standard as a winger.

Deedsie

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

Ive figured it out. On the Wednesday before the games he will have 15 players on a team 4 subs each play against each other and the winning team gets to play that weekend, no?

John Andress is to ref it? joke.

Anyone know much about this guy? Good to see they are making some inroads into the prop problem.

outwest

Goose81 wrote: »

Someone please explain to me how Dowling got into the main team and Johne murphy didnt make the A's?
Clearly picking favourites.

dowling in the squad because he deserves his chance, horgan should have been dropped, john murphy be thinking wat does he have to do to pick me,

anonymous_joe

Feel sorry for Johne Murphy and Ian Humphreys. Sexton beggars belief if I'm honest.

sock puppet

thehighground wrote: »

Look, we saw Ian Humphreys 'destroy' Munster in Thomond with Leicester 2 years ago!

In all seriousness, Ian Humphreys is much better to actually get a game against the Saxons instead of collecting splinters for the French match. There is no way he is going to make his international debut against France. That is a kindness to him (and wise - his confidence could be destroyed in front of 82K people).

So would you prefer Paddy Wallace at 10?

Crash

Just a quick breakdown on the squad and positions - I put players in more than one position in italics, and A squad players in bold. I'm pretty sure i've made a few slips with silly things, so feel free to correct me.

One thing that strikes me - why do we have a need for 7 second rowers in the squad? Ok I know Ryan and O'Driscoll CAN play backrow, but its just ridiculuous.

1. Loosehead
Cian Healy (Clontarf - Leinster)*
Marcus Horan (Shannon - Munster)
Tom Court (Ballymena - Ulster)*
Mike Ross (Harlequins)*
John Andress (Exeter)

2. Hooker
Rory Best (Banbridge - Ulster)
Jerry Flannery (Shannon - Munster)
Bernard Jackman (Clontarf - Leinster)
Sean Cronin (Buccaneers -Connacht)


3.Tighthead
John Hayes (Bruff- Munster)
Tom Court (Ballymena - Ulster)*
Mike Ross (Harlequins)*
John Andress (Exeter) (?)

4 & 5. Second Row
Ryan Caldwell (Dungannon - Ulster)*
Bob Casey (London Irish)
Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution - Munster)
Paul O'Connell (Young Munster - Munster)
Mick O'Driscoll (Cork Constitution - Munster)
Malcolm O’Kelly (St.Mary’s College - Leinster)
Donnacha Ryan (Shannon - Munster)

6. Blindside
Stephen Ferris (Dungannon - Ulster)
Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution - Munster)
Alan Quinlan (Shannon - Munster)
John Muldoon (Galwegians - Connacht)
Neil Best (Northampton)

7. Openside
Shane Jennings (St. Mary's College - Leinster)
David Wallace (Garryowen - Munster)
Sean O’Brien (Clontarf - Leinster)

8. Number Eight
Jamie Heaslip (Naas - Leinster)
Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution - Munster)
David Wallace (Garryowen - Munster)

9. Scrumhalf
Tomas O'Leary (Dolphin - Munster)
Eoin Reddan (Wasps)
Peter Stringer (Shannon - Munster)
Isaac Boss (Ballymena - Ulster)

10. Outhalf
Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution - Munster)
Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College - Leinster)*
Paddy Wallace (Ballymena - Ulster)
Ian Humphreys (Ballymena - Ulster)

11. Left Wing
Ian Dowling (Shannon - Munster)*
Robert Kearney (UCD - Leinster)
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena - Ulster)
Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College - Leinster)
Keith Earls (Young Munster - Munster)

12. Inside Centre
Paddy Wallace (Ballymena - Ulster)
Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College - Leinster)
Gordon D’Arcy (Lansdowne - Leinster)
Gavin Duffy (Galwegians - Connacht)
Keith Matthews (Buccaneers - Connacht)

13. Outside Centre
Brian O'Driscoll (UCD - Leinster)
Keith Earls (Young Munster - Munster)
Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College - Leinster)
Darren Cave (Belfast Harlequins - Ulster)*

14. Right Wing
Tommy Bowe (Ospreys)
Shane Horgan (Boyne - Leinster)
Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College - Leinster)
Gordon D’Arcy (Lansdowne - Leinster)

15. Fullback
Girvan Dempsey (Terenure College - Leinster)
Robert Kearney (UCD - Leinster)
Geordan Murphy (Leicester)
Gavin Duffy (Galwegians - Connacht)

RugbyFanatic

Criminal Decisions :
Dowling in main squad,
J.Murphy not even making the list,
Toner not even making the list,
Sexton ahead of Humphreys,
MOD and MOK but no ****in Toner

Toner decision and J.Murphy decision are just infuriating whilst the Sexton decision is mind baffling.

Chucky the tree

outwest wrote: »

dowling in the squad because he deserves his chance, horgan should have been dropped, john murphy be thinking wat does he have to do to pick me,

Move back to Ireland, well Munster or Leinster, dont bother with Connacht or Ulster because it's nearly as bad as being in England.

accensi0n

Brewster wrote: »

Paddy Wallace is a super player, and does not deserve that level of sarcasm to be honest! How Ian Humphreys is not is squad is a joke. He destroyed Munster at Thomond on his own....

Yes, Paddy Wallace has played great all Season...at 12.

Point is, pick a reserve outhalf on form and who will actually be effective coming into a game.

thehighground

sock puppet wrote: »

So would you prefer Paddy Wallace at 10?

No, but I think we can continue to hope for one more game that ROG doesn't get injured, while Ian Humphreys actually gets to play a game.

The following week, he could be in the main squad - which is what happened to Tommy Bowe last year.

anonymous_joe

What's amazing is how guys like Mick O'Driscoll are getting in ahead of Toner... That's such a regressive step. I feel sorry for the young lad. He's played really well this season, and doesn't even get a look in.

Ian Dowling over Johne Murphy is one that in my mind at least seems utterly mad.

outwest

good point, chuckey but johney is playin with a top side and scoreing trys for fun, just because a player plays for connacht or ulster or englasd doesnt meen that the should be excluded from representing there country,




does anyone know who the captain is

anonymous_joe

outwest wrote: »

good point, chuckey but johney is playin with a top side and scoreing trys for fun, just because a player plays for connacht or ulster or englasd doesnt meen that the should be excluded from representing there country,




does anyone know who the captain is

Tell that to Declan Kidney, Eddie O'Sullivan or the IRFU.

outwest

anonymous_joe wrote: »

What's amazing is how guys like Mick O'Driscoll are getting in ahead of Toner... That's such a regressive step. I feel sorry for the young lad. He's played really well this season, and doesn't even get a look in.

Ian Dowling over Johne Murphy is one that in my mind at least seems utterly mad.

i thaught toner was injured and that why he not been picked, why is mal in the squad, he about to get a few week ban,

wat a bigger disgrace is horgan is in the squad

RugbyFanatic

anonymous_joe wrote: »

What's amazing is how guys like Mick O'Driscoll are getting in ahead of Toner... That's such a regressive step. I feel sorry for the young lad. He's played really well this season, and doesn't even get a look in.

Ian Dowling over Johne Murphy is one that in my mind at least seems utterly mad.

What upsets me is just how safe Kidney has played it by putting Munster players such as Dowling and MOD ahead of better players such as J.Murphy and Toner on the basis that Kidney is familiar with them. It completely smacks of EOS. No one here can make an argument for Dowling and MOD ahead of Murphy and Toner because there isn't one other than Kidney playing it cautious, playing it safe, playing it EOS.

premierstone

Everyone here is having a go at Dowling I must say im suprised all iv read over the past few weeks is ''picking form players'' and put it this way if theres one spot to be picked between Dowling and Horgan I know who id pick and it certainly wouldnt be fcukin Horgan, anyone that has been watching munster this year and doent appreciate what Dowling brings to a team we'll quite frankly hasnt a clue :mad:

toomevara

RuggieBear wrote: »

Kidney has basically picked everyone again....non event of a squad imo

+1

Goose81

premierstone wrote: »

Everyone here is having a go at Dowling I must say im suprised all iv read over the past few weeks is ''picking form players'' and put it this way if theres one spot to be picked between Dowling and Horgan I know who id pick and it certainly wouldnt be fcukin Horgan, anyone that has been watching munster this year and doent appreciate what Dowling brings to a team we'll quite frankly hasnt a clue :mad:

I agree that Horgan has been exceptionally poor.

In his defence he usually plays very well for ireland and is one of a handfull of out and out wingers.

He is also very physical,so there are merits to picking him for certain matches.

Horgan was always gona get picked whether anyone likes it or not.

But if you were gona introduce a new wing into the main squad then johne Murphy should be the man as he is better than Downling.

Crash

I'd kinda agree with you here Premierstone, shaggys been playing woefully and shouldnt be in that squad. Dowling i'm still unsure of the idea of him at international level - hopefully he gets a good run out, and I think its a bit unfair for everyone to be targetting Dowling to the level they are when there are much much odder decisions - i.e. the sheer number of second rowers we seem to have in our squad. In fact, just under 20% of that 39 player squad are second rower players.

Chucky the tree

premierstone wrote: »

Everyone here is having a go at Dowling I must say im suprised all iv read over the past few weeks is ''picking form players'' and put it this way if theres one spot to be picked between Dowling and Horgan I know who id pick and it certainly wouldnt be fcukin Horgan, anyone that has been watching munster this year and doent appreciate what Dowling brings to a team we'll quite frankly hasnt a clue :mad:

He brings nothing in the way of a try scoring threat which is what you want from a winger(well for most coach anyway, EOS and Kidos are probaly different kettles of fish). I think having Dowling or Horgan aheado on Murphy is a travesty. I dont who I'd give the bullet to instead of him, but atleast with Horgan there's a decent chance he get a try, with dowling there isnt.

anonymous_joe

outwest wrote: »

i thaught toner was injured and that why he not been picked, why is mal in the squad, he about to get a few week ban,

wat a bigger disgrace is horgan is in the squad

Sure Mal stepped on someone's head on Saturday and will be banned, why pick him?

Horgan does seem a mad pick. He's shown one or two signs of form lately, but that Leinster back line is playing so badly (*sobs*) you could barely justifu picking anyone but Kearney, BoD and Fitz, with D'arcy in because he's been injured and not part of the shíte.

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

What upsets me is just how safe Kidney has played it by putting Munster players such as Dowling and MOD ahead of better players such as J.Murphy and Toner on the basis that Kidney is familiar with them. It completely smacks of EOS. No one here can make an argument for Dowling and MOD ahead of Murphy and Toner because there isn't one other than Kidney playing it cautious, playing it safe, playing it EOS.

Are you surprised?

This is why we needed a foreign coach. If a guy whose spent years working with one of the provinces gets the top job, of course he'll call on those players with whom he's most experienced.

premierstone wrote: »

Everyone here is having a go at Dowling I must say im suprised all iv read over the past few weeks is ''picking form players'' and put it this way if theres one spot to be picked between Dowling and Horgan I know who id pick and it certainly wouldnt be fcukin Horgan, anyone that has been watching munster this year and doent appreciate what Dowling brings to a team we'll quite frankly hasnt a clue :mad:

I think Dowling's shít. He always seems to have a dodgy game when I see Munster play. (No idea about the Sale game, I was in London and missed it). As for Horgan, you're right, he's not been much cop this season either. He's been magnificent in the green jersey in previous years, one can only hope for a repeat of such form to come.

Twin-go

Dowling Deserves his chance. Always consistant and scores and creates his far share of trys.

What I don't understand is the Irish Coach picking SO many players from the European Champions. Why would he do that!?! :-)