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Irish Squad/Ireland XV for Six Nations?

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  • Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭ Luke Nice Gnu


    Hes an ex Ulster prop that plays for Exeter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Serenity Now!


    Brewster wrote: »
    He (Humphreys) destroyed Munster at Thomond on his own....
    No he didn't. This is an easy question really: Where exactly were Munster truly beaten?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭sm.org


    I dont even think im gona bother watching these 6 nations.

    Good then we wont have to listen to continuous provincal sarcasm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    No he didn't. This is an easy question really: Where exactly were Munster truly beaten?

    Course he did, was responsible for two or three of tries from what I can remeber due to individual brilliance. Im a Leinster fan, and what exactly has Jonathon Sexton achieved this season? Im actually shocked at that call. Its such an easy call to make...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    Hey Ruggie, can we merge the two Ireland Squad threads? Its bad enough having to read the same moany old sods once but repeating themselves twice??
    Merged.....I'm one of those moany old sods!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Rattlehead_ie


    Ive figured it out. On the Wednesday before the games he will have 15 players on a team 4 subs each play against each other and the winning team gets to play that weekend, no?


  • Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭ Luke Nice Gnu


    sm.org wrote: »
    Good then we wont have to listen to continuous provincal sarcasm.


    Why would I say anything about provincial when commenting on a live ireland match.

    Its not eally good either.
    The Irfu are gona lose money when people stop watching and going to matches.Especially Ulster folk who you know are just gona get screwed again.

    Why would I watch the match when the selection process in unfair?

    Someone please explain to me how Dowling got into the main team and Johne murphy didnt make the A's?
    Clearly picking favourites.

    Where is Pollock?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭thehighground


    Brewster wrote: »
    Paddy Wallace is a super player, and does not deserve that level of sarcasm to be honest! How Ian Humphreys is not is squad is a joke. He destroyed Munster at Thomond on his own....

    Look, we saw Ian Humphreys 'destroy' Munster in Thomond with Leicester 2 years ago!

    In all seriousness, Ian Humphreys is much better to actually get a game against the Saxons instead of collecting splinters for the French match. There is no way he is going to make his international debut against France. That is a kindness to him (and wise - his confidence could be destroyed in front of 82K people).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Brewster wrote: »
    Paddy Wallace is a super player, and does not deserve that level of sarcasm to be honest! How Ian Humphreys is not is squad is a joke. He destroyed Munster at Thomond on his own....



    Not at outhalf though. Kidos has basically already let everyone know he has no intertest in trying out a new outhalf and Wallace will be in the 22 as a sub OH who will get little to no game time. Wallace is not a good OH, he is a first centre and that's where he should stay.

    This squad looks awful from a backs point of view, he's basically picked a utility squad with the majority of backs able to play various positions. There 2 out and out wingers and 1 of them is no where near international standard as a winger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    Ive figured it out. On the Wednesday before the games he will have 15 players on a team 4 subs each play against each other and the winning team gets to play that weekend, no?

    John Andress is to ref it? joke.

    Anyone know much about this guy? Good to see they are making some inroads into the prop problem.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭outwest



    Someone please explain to me how Dowling got into the main team and Johne murphy didnt make the A's?
    Clearly picking favourites.


    dowling in the squad because he deserves his chance, horgan should have been dropped, john murphy be thinking wat does he have to do to pick me,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 ✭✭✭anonymous_joe


    Feel sorry for Johne Murphy and Ian Humphreys. Sexton beggars belief if I'm honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Look, we saw Ian Humphreys 'destroy' Munster in Thomond with Leicester 2 years ago!

    In all seriousness, Ian Humphreys is much better to actually get a game against the Saxons instead of collecting splinters for the French match. There is no way he is going to make his international debut against France. That is a kindness to him (and wise - his confidence could be destroyed in front of 82K people).

    So would you prefer Paddy Wallace at 10?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,198 ✭✭✭✭Crash


    Just a quick breakdown on the squad and positions - I put players in more than one position in italics, and A squad players in bold. I'm pretty sure i've made a few slips with silly things, so feel free to correct me.

    One thing that strikes me - why do we have a need for 7 second rowers in the squad? Ok I know Ryan and O'Driscoll CAN play backrow, but its just ridiculuous.

    1. Loosehead

    Cian Healy (Clontarf - Leinster)*
    Marcus Horan (Shannon - Munster)
    Tom Court (Ballymena - Ulster)*
    Mike Ross (Harlequins)*
    John Andress (Exeter)

    2. Hooker
    Rory Best (Banbridge - Ulster)
    Jerry Flannery (Shannon - Munster)
    Bernard Jackman (Clontarf - Leinster)
    Sean Cronin (Buccaneers -Connacht)


    3.Tighthead
    John Hayes (Bruff- Munster)
    Tom Court (Ballymena - Ulster)*
    Mike Ross (Harlequins)*
    John Andress (Exeter) (?)

    4 & 5. Second Row
    Ryan Caldwell (Dungannon - Ulster)*
    Bob Casey (London Irish)
    Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution - Munster)
    Paul O'Connell (Young Munster - Munster)
    Mick O'Driscoll (Cork Constitution - Munster)
    Malcolm O’Kelly (St.Mary’s College - Leinster)
    Donnacha Ryan (Shannon - Munster)

    6. Blindside
    Stephen Ferris (Dungannon - Ulster)
    Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution - Munster)
    Alan Quinlan (Shannon - Munster)
    John Muldoon (Galwegians - Connacht)
    Neil Best (Northampton)

    7. Openside
    Shane Jennings (St. Mary's College - Leinster)
    David Wallace (Garryowen - Munster)
    Sean O’Brien (Clontarf - Leinster)

    8. Number Eight
    Jamie Heaslip (Naas - Leinster)
    Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution - Munster)
    David Wallace (Garryowen - Munster)

    9. Scrumhalf
    Tomas O'Leary (Dolphin - Munster)
    Eoin Reddan (Wasps)
    Peter Stringer (Shannon - Munster)
    Isaac Boss (Ballymena - Ulster)

    10. Outhalf
    Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution - Munster)
    Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College - Leinster)*
    Paddy Wallace (Ballymena - Ulster)
    Ian Humphreys (Ballymena - Ulster)

    11. Left Wing
    Ian Dowling (Shannon - Munster)*
    Robert Kearney (UCD - Leinster)
    Andrew Trimble (Ballymena - Ulster)
    Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College - Leinster)
    Keith Earls (Young Munster - Munster)

    12. Inside Centre
    Paddy Wallace (Ballymena - Ulster)
    Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College - Leinster)
    Gordon D’Arcy (Lansdowne - Leinster)
    Gavin Duffy (Galwegians - Connacht)

    Keith Matthews (Buccaneers - Connacht)

    13. Outside Centre
    Brian O'Driscoll (UCD - Leinster)
    Keith Earls (Young Munster - Munster)
    Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College - Leinster)
    Darren Cave (Belfast Harlequins - Ulster)*

    14. Right Wing
    Tommy Bowe (Ospreys)
    Shane Horgan (Boyne - Leinster)
    Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College - Leinster)
    Gordon D’Arcy (Lansdowne - Leinster)

    15. Fullback
    Girvan Dempsey (Terenure College - Leinster)
    Robert Kearney (UCD - Leinster)
    Geordan Murphy (Leicester)
    Gavin Duffy (Galwegians - Connacht)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    Criminal Decisions :
    Dowling in main squad,
    J.Murphy not even making the list,
    Toner not even making the list,
    Sexton ahead of Humphreys,
    MOD and MOK but no ****in Toner

    Toner decision and J.Murphy decision are just infuriating whilst the Sexton decision is mind baffling.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    outwest wrote: »
    dowling in the squad because he deserves his chance, horgan should have been dropped, john murphy be thinking wat does he have to do to pick me,





    Move back to Ireland, well Munster or Leinster, dont bother with Connacht or Ulster because it's nearly as bad as being in England.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    Brewster wrote: »
    Paddy Wallace is a super player, and does not deserve that level of sarcasm to be honest! How Ian Humphreys is not is squad is a joke. He destroyed Munster at Thomond on his own....

    Yes, Paddy Wallace has played great all Season...at 12.

    Point is, pick a reserve outhalf on form and who will actually be effective coming into a game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭thehighground


    So would you prefer Paddy Wallace at 10?

    No, but I think we can continue to hope for one more game that ROG doesn't get injured, while Ian Humphreys actually gets to play a game.

    The following week, he could be in the main squad - which is what happened to Tommy Bowe last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 ✭✭✭anonymous_joe


    What's amazing is how guys like Mick O'Driscoll are getting in ahead of Toner... That's such a regressive step. I feel sorry for the young lad. He's played really well this season, and doesn't even get a look in.

    Ian Dowling over Johne Murphy is one that in my mind at least seems utterly mad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭outwest


    good point, chuckey but johney is playin with a top side and scoreing trys for fun, just because a player plays for connacht or ulster or englasd doesnt meen that the should be excluded from representing there country,




    does anyone know who the captain is


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 ✭✭✭anonymous_joe


    outwest wrote: »
    good point, chuckey but johney is playin with a top side and scoreing trys for fun, just because a player plays for connacht or ulster or englasd doesnt meen that the should be excluded from representing there country,




    does anyone know who the captain is

    Tell that to Declan Kidney, Eddie O'Sullivan or the IRFU. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭outwest


    What's amazing is how guys like Mick O'Driscoll are getting in ahead of Toner... That's such a regressive step. I feel sorry for the young lad. He's played really well this season, and doesn't even get a look in.

    Ian Dowling over Johne Murphy is one that in my mind at least seems utterly mad.


    i thaught toner was injured and that why he not been picked, why is mal in the squad, he about to get a few week ban,

    wat a bigger disgrace is horgan is in the squad


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    What's amazing is how guys like Mick O'Driscoll are getting in ahead of Toner... That's such a regressive step. I feel sorry for the young lad. He's played really well this season, and doesn't even get a look in.

    Ian Dowling over Johne Murphy is one that in my mind at least seems utterly mad.

    What upsets me is just how safe Kidney has played it by putting Munster players such as Dowling and MOD ahead of better players such as J.Murphy and Toner on the basis that Kidney is familiar with them. It completely smacks of EOS. No one here can make an argument for Dowling and MOD ahead of Murphy and Toner because there isn't one other than Kidney playing it cautious, playing it safe, playing it EOS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    Everyone here is having a go at Dowling I must say im suprised all iv read over the past few weeks is ''picking form players'' and put it this way if theres one spot to be picked between Dowling and Horgan I know who id pick and it certainly wouldnt be fcukin Horgan, anyone that has been watching munster this year and doent appreciate what Dowling brings to a team we'll quite frankly hasnt a clue :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭toomevara


    RuggieBear wrote: »
    Kidney has basically picked everyone again....non event of a squad imo

    +1


  • Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭ Luke Nice Gnu


    Everyone here is having a go at Dowling I must say im suprised all iv read over the past few weeks is ''picking form players'' and put it this way if theres one spot to be picked between Dowling and Horgan I know who id pick and it certainly wouldnt be fcukin Horgan, anyone that has been watching munster this year and doent appreciate what Dowling brings to a team we'll quite frankly hasnt a clue :mad:


    I agree that Horgan has been exceptionally poor.

    In his defence he usually plays very well for ireland and is one of a handfull of out and out wingers.

    He is also very physical,so there are merits to picking him for certain matches.

    Horgan was always gona get picked whether anyone likes it or not.

    But if you were gona introduce a new wing into the main squad then johne Murphy should be the man as he is better than Downling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,198 ✭✭✭✭Crash


    I'd kinda agree with you here Premierstone, shaggys been playing woefully and shouldnt be in that squad. Dowling i'm still unsure of the idea of him at international level - hopefully he gets a good run out, and I think its a bit unfair for everyone to be targetting Dowling to the level they are when there are much much odder decisions - i.e. the sheer number of second rowers we seem to have in our squad. In fact, just under 20% of that 39 player squad are second rower players.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Everyone here is having a go at Dowling I must say im suprised all iv read over the past few weeks is ''picking form players'' and put it this way if theres one spot to be picked between Dowling and Horgan I know who id pick and it certainly wouldnt be fcukin Horgan, anyone that has been watching munster this year and doent appreciate what Dowling brings to a team we'll quite frankly hasnt a clue :mad:




    He brings nothing in the way of a try scoring threat which is what you want from a winger(well for most coach anyway, EOS and Kidos are probaly different kettles of fish). I think having Dowling or Horgan aheado on Murphy is a travesty. I dont who I'd give the bullet to instead of him, but atleast with Horgan there's a decent chance he get a try, with dowling there isnt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 ✭✭✭anonymous_joe


    outwest wrote: »
    i thaught toner was injured and that why he not been picked, why is mal in the squad, he about to get a few week ban,

    wat a bigger disgrace is horgan is in the squad
    Sure Mal stepped on someone's head on Saturday and will be banned, why pick him?

    Horgan does seem a mad pick. He's shown one or two signs of form lately, but that Leinster back line is playing so badly (*sobs*) you could barely justifu picking anyone but Kearney, BoD and Fitz, with D'arcy in because he's been injured and not part of the shíte.
    What upsets me is just how safe Kidney has played it by putting Munster players such as Dowling and MOD ahead of better players such as J.Murphy and Toner on the basis that Kidney is familiar with them. It completely smacks of EOS. No one here can make an argument for Dowling and MOD ahead of Murphy and Toner because there isn't one other than Kidney playing it cautious, playing it safe, playing it EOS.
    Are you surprised?

    This is why we needed a foreign coach. If a guy whose spent years working with one of the provinces gets the top job, of course he'll call on those players with whom he's most experienced.
    Everyone here is having a go at Dowling I must say im suprised all iv read over the past few weeks is ''picking form players'' and put it this way if theres one spot to be picked between Dowling and Horgan I know who id pick and it certainly wouldnt be fcukin Horgan, anyone that has been watching munster this year and doent appreciate what Dowling brings to a team we'll quite frankly hasnt a clue :mad:

    I think Dowling's shít. He always seems to have a dodgy game when I see Munster play. (No idea about the Sale game, I was in London and missed it). As for Horgan, you're right, he's not been much cop this season either. He's been magnificent in the green jersey in previous years, one can only hope for a repeat of such form to come.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Twin-go


    Dowling Deserves his chance. Always consistant and scores and creates his far share of trys.

    What I don't understand is the Irish Coach picking SO many players from the European Champions. Why would he do that!?! :-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    Everyone here is having a go at Dowling I must say im suprised all iv read over the past few weeks is ''picking form players'' and put it this way if theres one spot to be picked between Dowling and Horgan I know who id pick and it certainly wouldnt be fcukin Horgan, anyone that has been watching munster this year and doent appreciate what Dowling brings to a team we'll quite frankly hasnt a clue :mad:

    I like Dowling as a player hes a hardworker and never shys away from a challenge but international standard winger he simply is not. Horgan I'm not complaing with being in the squad because he has earned the right on past appearances to at least be considered however if he was to continue playing as he has been and makes the 22 I will be furious but the fact is we know is international standard and know he can be lethal its the same way I am not pissed at D'arcy, DOC and Dempsey being picked despite all 3 not being at their best because they deserve the chance to prove themselves.

    What I suppose is most annoying about the whole situation is that he brings in a new winger but its not Murphy. How anyone can overlook Murphy for Dowling I will never know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    In his defence he usually plays very well for ireland and is one of a handfull of out and out wingers.

    Jaysus ur the one spoutin on every where on the forum about ''now'' and players ''in form'' why not bring back Simon Geoghan altogether he usually plays well for Ireland :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    No, but I think we can continue to hope for one more game that ROG doesn't get injured, while Ian Humphreys actually gets to play a game.

    The following week, he could be in the main squad - which is what happened to Tommy Bowe last year.

    But what if ROG does get injured? It would mean playing Wallace or Sexton neither of which are up to it. And last year Tommy Bowe should have been in the team for the first game over Trimble but instead he got the "experience" of being thrashed by the Saxons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    I like Dowling as a player hes a hardworker and never shys away from a challenge but international standard winger he simply is not. Horgan I'm not complaing with being in the squad because he has earned the right on past appearances to at least be considered however if he was to continue playing as he has been and makes the 22 I will be furious but the fact is we know is international standard and know he can be lethal its the same way I am not pissed at D'arcy, DOC and Dempsey being picked despite all 3 not being at their best because they deserve the chance to prove themselves.

    What I suppose is most annoying about the whole situation is that he brings in a new winger but its not Murphy. How anyone can overlook Murphy for Dowling I will never know.

    How do you know this mystic meg??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭outwest


    I agree that Horgan has been exceptionally poor.

    In his defence he usually plays very well for ireland and is one of a handfull of out and out wingers.

    He is also very physical,so there are merits to picking him.

    Horgan was always gona get picked whether anyone likes it or not.

    But if you were gona introduce a new wing into the main squad then johne Murphy should be the man as he is better than Downling.


    i disagree, dowling is also very physical and is palyin well, just because he used to play well doesnt meen he should be in the squad form players should be picked regardless of who the are


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    Twin-go wrote: »
    Dowling Deserves his chance. Always consistant and scores and creates his far share of trys.

    What I don't understand is the Irish Coach picking SO many players from the European Champions. Why would he do that!?! :-)

    Why indeed?

    Champions with their midfield partnership made up of non-Irish, have essentially an international pack playing together at club level, have one of the best outhalves in the world at club level but we all know that changes at international level.

    Our HC winning pack is average when it plays against another full international pack, ROG can't bring his form to international level and essentially we look average despite having an abundance of Munster men.

    The fact that a Munster player were part of a team that won the HC means absolutely zero when it comes to international level. Its a different ball game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    How do you know this mystic meg??

    From watching him play premier, doesn't have the pace, his positioning is off a lot, doesn't have a lethal finish, hands aren't what they should be.

    He is a hardworker, great tackler and other than positioning a smart player but the above cons are too big to ignore when it comes to international level.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    I think Dowling's shít. He always seems to have a dodgy game when I see Munster play. (No idea about the Sale game, I was in London and missed it). As for Horgan, you're right, he's not been much cop this season either. He's been magnificent in the green jersey in previous years, one can only hope for a repeat of such form to come.

    How amazingly convenient :rolleyes: I wonder is the fact that he's a leinster man playing for Munster anything to do with the apathy being shown here towards him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    back on topic people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    How amazingly convenient :rolleyes: I wonder is the fact that he's a leinster man playing for Munster anything to do with the apathy being shown here towards him

    I don't think so probably more to do with Horgan being one of our best international wingers in the last few years other than Hickie. He actually stated that as well so I don't know why you levelled a bias claim at him :confused:


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  • Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭ Luke Nice Gnu


    Jaysus ur the one spoutin on every where on the forum about ''now'' and players ''in form'' why not bring back Simon Geoghan altogether he usually plays well for Ireland :rolleyes:


    Magners league

    2008-2009

    Dowling played 8 scored 1 try

    Whatever about Horgan,Johne Murphy has scored 8 tries or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 ✭✭✭anonymous_joe


    How amazingly convenient :rolleyes: I wonder is the fact that he's a leinster man playing for Munster anything to do with the apathy being shown here towards him

    Well it wasn't convenient per sé, as we'd be planning to find a pub to watch the game.

    Anyway, I had no idea Dowling was from Leinster, nor could I give a flying fúck. He's slow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    So would you prefer Paddy Wallace at 10?

    Exactly. Its unfair at this stage to ask Wallace to be doing a job at 10. If I had my way Wallace would start the game at 12. I have posted on this board before that he is good enough.

    I suspect the problem lies in the fact the Kidney will not select both Wallace and Humphreys on the same bench. Therefore because Wallace is more versatile he gets nod over Humpheys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    Lads, relax. Dowling wont be near the 22 nor should he best. Trimble, Cave, Earls, Fitz to name a few are better options....


  • Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭ Luke Nice Gnu


    Brewster wrote: »
    Exactly. Its unfair at this stage to ask Wallace to be doing a job at 10. If I had my way Wallace would start the game at 12. I have posted on this board before that he is good enough.

    I suspect the problem lies in the fact the Kidney will not select both Wallace and Humphreys on the same bench. Therefore because Wallace is more versatile he gets nod over Humpheys.


    So why name Sexton in the main squad and Humphries in the A squad?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭puntosporting


    Surprised no one is mentioning darcy ?
    Should he be in the sqaud at this stage?
    On the dowling point on his recent performances i think he has earned a chance in the full sqaud let him be judged after a game or two in the side!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭old boy


    But what if ROG does get injured? It would mean playing Wallace or Sexton neither of which are up to it. And last year Tommy Bowe should have been in the team for the first game over Trimble but instead he got the "experience" of being thrashed by the Saxons.

    t o leary, did ok recently in the magners league, kicked a penalty,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    So why name Sexton in the main squad and Humphries in the A squad?

    I reckon Kidney believes he can get Sexton back to his old form. Which smacks once again of EOS notion of form is temporary


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    From watching him play premier, doesn't have the pace, his positioning is off a lot, doesn't have a lethal finish, hands aren't what they should be.

    He is a hardworker, great tackler and other than positioning a smart player but the above cons are too big to ignore when it comes to international level.

    He's positioning is fine IMO its just that playing with Munster the wingers dont play as conventional wingers they are encouraged to drift infield and mix it up so to speak, anyway Horan usually covers ;)

    Iv heard the arguement before in relation to him not having great hands and tbh I think its a bit of a missconception I think the reality is he is more comfortable and inclined to take the ball into contact and while you wouldnt normally advocate this for a winger he is so strong in the tackle and seems to even be able to generate forward momentum that its not a problem imo.
    I don't think so probably more to do with Horgan being one of our best international wingers in the last few years other than Horgan. He actually stated that as well so I don't know why you levelled a bias claim at him :confused:

    Im sorry im not been smart here but ive read this 5 or 6 times now and i havent a clue what your trying to say - horgan is our best winger apart from horgan ??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Twin-go wrote: »
    Dowling Deserves his chance. Always consistant and scores and creates his far share of trys.

    What I don't understand is the Irish Coach picking SO many players from the European Champions. Why would he do that!?! :-)




    Your idea of fair share is definitly completely different to mine. Magners league stats and GPL for murphy.

    Ian dowling - Apps: 46 Tries 6
    Luke fitzgerald - Apps: 31 Tries 11
    Rob Kearney - Apps: 45 Tries 10
    Shane horgan - Apps 59 Tries 25
    Tommy Bowe - Apps: 72 Tries 30
    Johne Murphy - Apps 38: Tires 12


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