Poland - 'No Irish need apply'

ejmaztec

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

I think this chap must post in AH

If you are here can you own up please?

Does anyone know this chap personally?

I bet he doesn't get much sleep either.:P

Terry

sparkysrovers wrote: »

Yeah that Darragh29 is some C U Next Tuesday

Stop trolling.

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

We have all hated them Polski cnuts on this forum for a few years, why the fcuk would we go to a sh1thole of a country full of them?

Thank fcuk they are going home

Banned.

thebman

Highsider wrote: »

Yeah they've been treated like ****e by us for years now :rolleyes:. I've worked with the polish before on numerous occasions and can say truthfully i've never seen polish people being treated any differently than the Irish

I lived with two polish people both of whom spoke of how impressed they were with working conditions in Ireland and that it was much worse in Poland because they didn't have the same worker rights as we have in Ireland.

Of course, they could have been in on the conspiracy to keep us all out

Rb wrote: »

This may be too sensible, but how about everyone keeps calm until there's actual evidence of this going on?

I can see this story spreading like wildfire, if I were a Pole living here I'd start to get concerned.

True but people don't have sense. That's why FF are still in charge.

Dudess

old boy wrote: »

2 years ago my son was told on a building site in cork that it was polish only.
also he was the last irish man on the limerick side of the shannon tunell, that was over 12 months ago,

I shouldn't have to say this, but just in case: not the Polish workers' fault, Irish employers' decisions. That's not necessarily directed at you old boy, definitely directed at some other people posting to this thread though.

Steve

It would be so ironic (and actually believable) if some Polish guy had stolen the sign from an Irish site a few years back and put it up in Poland for the craic..:D

shqipshume

I was told 2 stories that was apparently on tv week before last anyone can confirm if its true.
First one was,14 Irish guys working on site,get laid off cause boss cant afford to pay them.Returns a few days or so later and takes video footage of polish guys who have replaced the 14 Irish guys?

Second one,Four Irish guys go to Poland with Four Polish Lads for work,They get Hired on a site and the Polish Workers walk off site on strike because of it?

Can anyone confirm this apparently was on TV and A Irish Politician was going mad giving out about it.

Also guys does anyone know about whether the truth around the Polish can claim their labour whilst working in other countries also?

blinding

In any country if you have an over supply of cheap labour some employers will take advantage.

Business people are in business to make money.With some it takes them over completely more than religion or politics.

These type of people will exploit their own grandmother or mother and they certainly would not hesitate to exploit their own people or immigrants.

It was a ludicrous situation for working people to allow our politicians to have a situation where there was a gross oversupply of cheap labour.

If the employers particularly in industries such as construction and leisure industries are in the situation where they can say "take it or leave it" then there will be a downward spiral in pay and conditions.If unscrupolous people can replace you with some one for the same or less money where it the need for them to act in a fair manner.

Our politicians if they had any respect for working people should have tried to keep some sort of equilibrium in the supply of demand of working people.
In the real-politik in Ireland working people are very far down on the concerns of our politicians.
Feathering their own nests is number 1----10 on their priorities and working people do not register in their own selfish priorities.

If you are an ordinary working person in this country then from our politicians point of view you are on your own.

Happy voting in 2009 you minnions.

Darragh29

Dudess wrote: »

I lived with two Polish guys who were absolutely wonderful people so, surprisingly, from a country with a population of 38.5 million, there are nice people too.
That said, just because those two guys are lovely, doesn't mean I'm gonna think "Polish people are all lovely" either, because that's just stupid.

I have to say in their favour, if I'm walking down O' Connell Street or anywhere else and see a few Polish lads coming towards me, I don't have to worry, but if I see some of our natives coming down a street towards me, I'd automatically assume they could be scumbags and at least 50% of the time, I'd be right. I don't think I've ever met someone from Poland who I felt was a scumbag or felt threatened by...

Toto Wolfcastle

Darragh29 wrote: »

I have to say in their favour, if I'm walking down O' Connell Street or anywhere else and see a few Polish lads coming towards me, I don't have to worry, but if I see some of our natives coming down a street towards me, I'd automatically assume they could be scumbags and at least 50% of the time, I'd be right. I don't think I've ever met someone from Poland who I felt was a scumbag or felt threatened by...

I'm sure they'll be delighted to hear that.

Do you really feel threatened by Irish people walking down the street? I hear that a lot but I never feel that way about anyone of any nationality. Possibly I'm just naive. Off topic, I know.

Darragh29

It's the same auld sh*te in this country. Our labour relations and compliance machinery of the state is a disgrace. If you want to go to the LRC, you have to rely on your employer to actually turn up!!! He or she is entirely free to ignore your wish to have a dispute heard at the LRC! If you do get your employer to the LRC, you will get a recommendation, that guess what, you got it, your employer is completely entitled to ignore!!!

Then if you do get your employer into the LRC and get them to honour a recommendation in your favour, guess what??? All the hearings are held in private so there is no opportunity for information regarding employers who end up at the LRC, to get into the public domain, which is where it should be.

And who is behind this extremely weak employment rights agenda??? The usual suspects/vested interests, Ibec, ISME, The American Chamber of Commerce in Ireland, et al...

SimpleSam06

blinding wrote: »

In the real-politik in Ireland working people are very far down on the concerns of our politicians.

When you think about it, thats more like cloud cuckoo-politik...

Darragh29

janeybabe wrote: »

I'm sure they'll be delighted to hear that.

Do you really feel threatened by Irish people walking down the street? I hear that a lot but I never feel that way about anyone of any nationality. Possibly I'm just naive. Off topic, I know.

Not normal Irish people, but we do have an innordinately high percantage of scum in our society per capita.

Dudess

shqipshume wrote: »

First one was,14 Irish guys working on site,get laid off cause boss cant afford to pay them.Returns a few days or so later and takes video footage of polish guys who have replaced the 14 Irish guys?

I'd believe it. There are employers as unethical as that out there. Wouldn't blame the Polish guys for taking the jobs though - why not when they can? I know if I was looking for a job, I wouldn't turn it down because the last person got let go unfairly. Nothing to do with me.

Second one,Four Irish guys go to Poland with Four Polish Lads for work,They get Hired on a site and the Polish Workers walk off site on strike because of it?

That's sh1tty if true. I'm not gonna hold the entire country of Poland responsible though.

Also guys does anyone know about whether the truth around the Polish can claim their labour whilst working in other countries also?

Maybe they can - again, don't blame them.

dsmythy

Darragh29 wrote: »

I have to say in their favour, if I'm walking down O' Connell Street or anywhere else and see a few Polish lads coming towards me, I don't have to worry, but if I see some of our natives coming down a street towards me, I'd automatically assume they could be scumbags and at least 50% of the time, I'd be right. I don't think I've ever met someone from Poland who I felt was a scumbag or felt threatened by...

I used to think the same until my naivety was slapped out of me, literally. Good and bad everywhere for god sake. It is how it is.

Dudess

Some people feel an overwhelming need to label people though. The idea that the world isn't black and white is too much for them...

SimpleSam06

Dudess wrote: »

Maybe they can - again, don't blame them.

If she meant welfare, then that is fraud, which is certainly something they can be blamed for.

Dudess

Oh sure, I just took it as red she didn't mean fraud when she used the word "can".

shqipshume

Dudess wrote: »

I'd believe it. There are employers as unethical as that out there. Wouldn't blame the Polish guys for taking the jobs though - why not when they can? I know if I was looking for a job, I wouldn't turn it down because the last person got let go unfairly. Nothing to do with me.

That's sh1tty if true. I'm not gonna hold the entire country of Poland responsible though.

Maybe they can - again, don't blame them.

No i aint blaming them for it but i am pointing out the way Irish employers are :mad:

Second Yes i can blame them for that one cause they walked off site even though they got jobs here .The promise that had been made for Irish when Polands economy began to rise,Was! Irish are welcome to work there and the Polish guys choose to go off site on strike.
Now i didnt say whole country you said that.
It remains to be seen

No but sure shows you the Irish government standing on Irish people.Stabbed in back by our own and have been for long time.

anyway i havent got confirmation on it so not sure if its true.

Mc Love

<3BeingIN6th wrote: »

Stop trolling.

I suggest you look up the definition of trolling!

:cool:

shqipshume

Darragh29 wrote: »

Not normal Irish people, but we do have an innordinately high percantage of scum in our society per capita.

Wow and people say i generalise :eek:

Thats not true we have safest country in world nearly apparently least murders etc....

Every country has their scumbags and you dont see what goes on behind closed doors and what you dont understand on street what any other nationality is saying.
They stay below the radar cause you dont understand them!

Anywa i am not hitting out at them just telling you stand for your own for gods sake.

shqipshume

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

If she meant welfare, then that is fraud, which is certainly something they can be blamed for.

Yes i did mean welfare.

I dont know how its fraud as there law allows them apparently,i was just curious to see if was true.

ejmaztec

Having been employed on both sides of the Irish Sea, I can confirm that I've encountered more employers in Ireland who are complete arseholes to work for. Most of them would stitch up their own grannies if they thought that this would increase their income.

javaboy

ejmaztec wrote: »

Most of them would stitch up their own grannies if they thought that this would increase their income.

I would do that anyway. I hate my (living) granny with a passion. If there was money in it, that would just be the icing on the cake.

SimpleSam06

shqipshume wrote: »

I dont know how its fraud as there law allows them apparently,i was just curious to see if was true.

Insofar as I understand it they are not allowed to claim welfare in Ireland at all unless they are ordinarily resident in the country, which working in a foreign country would seem to preclude.

ejmaztec

javaboy wrote: »

I would do that anyway. I hate my (living) granny with a passion. If there was money in it, that would just be the icing on the cake.

Cooking your granny inside a cake is simply heartless. She'll come back and haunt you. :eek:

Steve

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

Insofar as I understand it they are not allowed to claim welfare in Ireland at all unless they are ordinarily resident in the country, which working in a foreign country would seem to preclude.

Isn't it for that reason they changed the welfare payments from bank transfers to something you had to physically collect at a post office a year or two ago?
I think there was a time it was being heavily abused by non residents.

SimpleSam06

SteveC wrote: »

Isn't it for that reason they changed the welfare payments from bank transfers to something you had to physically collect at a post office a year or two ago?
I think there was a time it was being heavily abused by non residents.

I'm not particularly well versed in the area. As I understand it again, it has been offering that service since 1992, but electronic transfers are still available.

javaboy

ejmaztec wrote: »

Cooking your granny inside a cake is simply heartless. She'll come back and haunt you. :eek:

She would sour the cream tbh no matter how many Hermesetas she pops.

As it is she's haunting me while she's alive but at least she can't pass through walls at the moment so I'll let her be.

justcallmetex

question.

Don't the Polish work all over Europe?

If so are there any signs up sayin No French No Germans No English?

galwayrush

Can we draw Polish children's allowance for our families home in Ireland if we are working there?:rolleyes:

SimpleSam06

justcallmetex wrote: »

question.

Don't the Polish work all over Europe?

If so are there any signs up sayin No French No Germans No English?

Not every country in the EU opened their borders at the same time as us. Most of them deferred the freedom of labour movement aspect of EU regulations until 2011 or so. Italy under Berlusconi flaunted EU regulations entirely in terms of immigrants, and continue to do so. We have an open land border with the UK, who were themselves very surprised at the volume of EE migrants that showed up, so that might go some way towards explaining it.

galwayrush

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

. We have an open land border with the UK, who were themselves very surprised at the volume of EE migrants that showed up, .

The UK has been surprised at the volume of migrants for well over 50 years now.:rolleyes:

SimpleSam06

galwayrush wrote: »

The UK has been surprised at the volume of migrants for well over 50 years now.:rolleyes:

When they start taking on 10% of their population over the course of 6 or 7 years, (or even start allowing migrants in without race riots) let me know.

TheLoc

So Floorboard... Do you actually agree with the sign then? I have to say, regardless of the money the polish are getting, they're working and they're obviously happy so fiuck them. thats not a valid complaint since they work and take our money and jobs. So yes it is completely bang out of order and you could say extremely racist (a bit nazi even) for having a sign saying that.
a disgrace.

peanuthead

FloorBoard wrote: »

Sure was Paddy Go Getter not ripping off the foreigners for years, thinking he was the big shot. Not bend over Paddy.

Now maybe I'm wrong here, so correct me if I am, but it was the big contractors/builders ripping the foreigners off on the building sites by paying them little.

Now in light of this recession, okay, they're not doing too well, but they're the ones that can (just about) afford to ride it out here. Its the actual tradespeople here that can't get a job and are being forced out of the country to look for work elsewhere. People like my OH for example, who worked alongside foreign nationals for the last few years, barely able to get a decent wage because of the competition from them, and now has no job at all. He's now in the position that they were in, through no fault of his own. Yet he will again suffer poor/low/no wages because of the actions of the contractors he worked for.

So I don't think the right people are 'getting their come-uppance' here.

Why would we move to Poland anyway?

All they have is a few salt mines and slutty women!;)

Latchy

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

When they start taking on 10% of their population over the course of 6 or 7 years, (or even start allowing migrants in without race riots) let me know.

It well known the the UK is overpopulated as it is and tighter border controls will only stop the hoards of illigals trying to make it across ther channel still .The french would galdly like to see them cross over therefore giving the ' problem ' again to Britain to deal with .

BTW , I saw no ' No paddys ' sign in that link either ?

FruitLover

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would we move to Poland anyway?

I hear their swans are delicious.

ZzubZzub

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Jaysus, you know it's a flawed argument when someone reaches for the old testament...

I thanked you, mainly because your sig rocks!


Yes, there are some Polish how got a really rough deal here. Where I used to work, our manager was very discriminating towards our foreign friends. No non-nationals were hired since he became manager. All the foreign members of staff were on the lowest level of pay (€8.70) at the time while I, a student with no experience, went straight in at €9.80. They never got there holiday pay when they left. In fact on of my friends didn't even know he was entitled to it until I got mine after I left.

I've heard the same kinda going-ons in other places too, a resteraunt and constuction sites. They, for the most part (there's always a few bad apples) are very good workers and deserve the same rights as us when working in our country.


I can see why they'd be angry but those signs are bang outta order. Can't see them lasting long. But while they might take the signs down, they still can just not hire any Irish people over there..

Are there many Iirsh over there?!

Kintarō Hattori

[Jackass] wrote: »

Not to mention the % of Polish people who got in trouble with the law over here is well above the % of population of any other immigrant community or Irish community. Yet they were tolerated and accepted accross the board.

Source?

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

We have all hated them Polski cnuts on this forum for a few years, why the fcuk would we go to a sh1thole of a country full of them?

Thank fcuk they are going home

Don't speak for everyone.

SimpleSam06

latchyco wrote: »

It well known the the UK is overpopulated as it is and tighter border controls will only stop the hoards of illigals trying to make it across ther channel still .The french would galdly like to see them cross over therefore giving the ' problem ' again to Britain to deal with .

I meant tighter border controls between Ireland and the UK.

latchyco wrote: »

BTW , I saw no ' No paddys ' sign in that link either ?

Er was I defending race riots?

Latchy

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

I
Er was I defending race riots?

No I was refering to the quote in the OP's link and should have used his post as reference

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Cleeo wrote: »

I thanked you, mainly because your sig rocks!

!

Thanks, but I unfortunately just got hit by the sig police so I need to change it... Anyway, if you like the last one you'll like the new one...

dlofnep

That's exactly what I was thinking of doing.. Moving to Poland to build houses for people who hate me.

SkepticOne

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

Same story in the Irish Times. God help him if hes making it up.

He's not so much making it up as exagerating its significance to get people riled up about immigration. In the Irish Times article he gets away with saying that the No Irish signs "have started to appear" on the sites. In the Independent article it is is "couple of Polish building sites" that was "brought to his attention".

So he hasn't been there. Hasn't seen the signs, and so far has only heard of the signs on two building sites. Hardly reason to believe it is the start of a nasty anti-Irish trend such as was in Britain in the 50's.

At the same time he's trying to link these signs with supposed exploitation of workers by employers in Ireland but does not provide any evidence for this connection.

SimpleSam06

SkepticOne wrote: »

So he hasn't been there. Hasn't seen the signs, and so far has only heard of the signs on two building sites. Hardly reason to believe it is the start of a nasty anti-Irish trend such as was in Britain in the 50's.

At the same time he's trying to link these signs with supposed exploitation of workers by employers in Ireland but does not provide any evidence for this connection.

I agree completely. However he must have known he was risking his career by making a statement like that, something he would not do lightly. Regardless, it does not affect the analysis of the macroeconomic effects of migrants into Ireland.

wylo

This thread is getting absolutely ridiculous. There is no proof of this, not even ONE picture. Its actually embarrassing that so many people are instantly buying into this sh1t stirring article.

Realistically ,how many Irish are actually applying over there to even make it worthwhile putting up a sign like this.
From the Article:
'NO Irish need apply' - the signs are already going up on building sites abroad in a throwback to the grim days of the the last century.
But this time they are starting to appear in Poland as that country takes its revenge for the way in which some unscrupulous Irish contractors treated their countrymen during the years of the Celtic Tiger.

No pictures, no proof, not even one person testifying to say he saw the signs, no defense from any employer trying to explain themselves.

Hard Larry

I heard the Polish lad who hangs up the "No Irish" signs got sacked cause a Paddy told the foreman he'd be willing to work for a couple of swan sambo's and a picture of the foremans hot daughter.

I've no evidence of this...but I'm gonna post it anyway

SkepticOne

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

I agree completely. However he must have known he was risking his career by making a statement like that, something he would not do lightly. Regardless, it does not affect the analysis of the macroeconomic effects of migrants into Ireland.

I think he is safe. All he has to do is insist that he has been told these signs exist. The signs themselves don't even have to exist. Also, he is not using overt "dey tuk ur jerbs" language. There could be a wave of anti-Polish activity but he would be in the clear.

marcindd

DonJose wrote: »

'NO Irish need apply' -- the signs are already going up on building sites abroad in a throwback to the grim days of the the last century.

But this time they are starting to appear in Poland as that country takes its revenge for the way in which some unscrupulous Irish contractors treated their countrymen during the years of the Celtic Tiger.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/no-irish-need-apply--polish-builders-get-their-own-back-1589265.html

Fukk, better mark Poland of the list, anybody know if Latvia and Lithuania are hiring

I'm Polish and I'm really sorry that I need to read such a bull**** story, the author and the paper should both be charged for rising a racism against polish nation.
Has anyone of you been recently to Poland? You can find there signs of racism (as in any other country), but I've never seen any targeted against Irish people and if you go there you will realize that you're all very welcome.

there are bad people everywhere, but even if there is a sign which author mentioned somewhere on the polish land (I wouldn't be surprised if some Irish put it there to make a story), than some legal action should be taken against people who placed it there, and more investigation.

Bringing such info to the public it's a really shame on the magazine, without checking any background and I can only imagine what author wanted to achieve...

I'll give you simple example, what if I go to o'connell street in Dublin, buy a can of paint and write on some wall 'f..k polish people', inform media straight away, with pictures taken, would this be considered as a racism act against polish?
It can if the information will not be checked, but should it be?

If you're looking for a story you will certainly find it, you can even make it, and it's usually not hard to find some kind of evidence/proof for any, even most stupid story.