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The Muck of the Irish

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    #32
    Mario007
    Registered Users Posts: 877 ✭✭✭Mario007


    DeVore wrote: »
    I'm angry because I'm quite nationalist (in the good manner, the IRA/SF can go fnck themselves but lets not go there) and because I stuck it out here to build something in my own home country. Funnily enough, lately I've been fairly sick of the "new irish" and am considering getting the fnck out.

    Anyway, Oscar, I will be voting based on the treaty and almost certainly voting yes because I agree with the treaty. I'm disciplined enough in my logic to try and not allow emotional response to inform my decision but..... I'm betting a lot of people out there will be p*ssed off by dumb crap like this know-nothing joker (not to mention Sarcozy) to simply give them the fingers again.

    DeV.

    great post...i'm actually happy to see that a nationalistic person will be voting yes in the referendum:D
    i personally think lisbon is the way forward, right now the only way forward. if we wont vote for it, then its another two or three years of negotiations which will really hurt the eu especially during the economic crisis.


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    #33
    democrates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,046 ✭✭✭democrates


    The NYT columnist accuses Europe of betrayal at Yalta, when Churchill (with GB now almost bankrupt with debt to the WWII Charlie-come-lately USA) was effectively sidelined and it was Roosevelt who gave Stalin the carve-up he wanted and set the scene for the cold war which so handsomely rewarded the military industrial complex. Lilliputian view of history indeed.

    The previous year saw the Bretton Woods agreements where Harry Dexter White for the USA rejected Keynes plans for an equitable post-war international financial system in favour of the pertaining system based on the IMF and World Bank, both headquartered in Washington. This ensured rich nations got richer and the USA in particular thanks to their sole vetos in both institutions. This ability to project the far right "Washington Concensus" with it's prescription of socialising risk and cost while privatising profit (preferably for American corporations) created widespread economic ruin for billions of citizens in poor nations. Many countries have by now seen thier true colours and reject their offers of 'help'.

    The USA has engaged in many wars and armed dictators from Saddam Hussein to Suharto "to protect our interests", that is, to promote profit for the US elite. The USA is the only 'nation' to deploy atomic weapons against civilians, that tortured "enemy combatants" and denied their human rights, that continually supports Israels Zionist fundamentalists in the face of their repeated contravention of UN resolutions, the nauseating list of bloodstained horrors from the "greatest democracy in the world" goes on and on. Readers of the NYT may want to look a little closer to home if they want to point their fingers, particularly when it comes to Muslim relations.


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    #34
    jimmmy
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    murphaph wrote: »
    The ungrateful irish...sheesh. How many Mercedes/BMW/Vokswagens/Renaults/Fiats have we imported into this country in the last 10 years? We owe nobody anything.

    I hate to have to enlighten you that is was mostly as a result of billions of euro of EC handouts from Brussels ( thank the German + British taxpayers mainly ) and borrowings.


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    #35
    karen3212
    Closed Accounts Posts: 668 ✭✭✭karen3212


    DeVore wrote: »
    What angers me is that idea that we had nothing to do with our own success. My generation stayed behind in Ireland while previous years emigrated. We stayed and set up businesses, offices, internet sites etc. Indigenous companies like Baltimore and Iona and Trintech to name the big ones but much more importantly small companies which took people off the dole.


    DeV.

    Do you not think though that conditions - laws, taxes, red-tape and help for start-ups etc - had changed just enough to make it viable for our generation to stay at home and do these things. Or do you really think that the people before you were somehow less patriotic and emigrated?

    tbh I think even the biggest hole of a country in the world would improve if money and laws were directed toward improving it. Thank christ Ireland has people like you, but so do most other countries, only they are stangled by stupid governance before they ever get a chance to make life better for all.


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