Bye Bye Bush Day?

Nobrow

Hi.

Are there any celebrations planned in Dublin for the 20th to wave good bye to [insert preferred slur here] Bush?

I dont necessarily want to celebrate the Obama inauguration, I would just like to express some happiness that that the reign of that dispicable man and his cohorts is over.

Mr.Micro

Yes the reign of terror is over. How one man in a democracy could do so much damage and be resposnsible for so much suffering is beyond me.

wes

Any reason for a party is fine with me.

dresden8

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Yes the reign of terror is over. How one man in a democracy could do so much damage and be resposnsible for so much suffering is beyond me.

You're going to be very disappointed.

Obama works for the same people. Nothing will change.

Kevster

dresden8 wrote: »

You're going to be very disappointed.

Obama works for the same people. Nothing will change.

You're wrong. Theoreticlly, if Bush remained in office for another four years, Guantanamo Bay might not be closed, the Iraq war would probably go on longer than it will under Obama, US hatred in the world would continue to rise, and the Afghan war would be a complete and utter failure. HOWEVER, under Obama, Guantanamo will close, the Iraq war will be 'over' this year, the US is gaining fans around the world, and the Afghan war will be revitalised.

I get the feeling that you have not been paying close attention to American politics for the past 8 years, as I have.

Nobrow

dresden8 wrote: »

You're going to be very disappointed.

Obama works for the same people. Nothing will change.

I agree somewhat. I do think that Obama will be a major change for the good, and that we (the rest of the world at least) could probably never hope for a "better" man in the Whitehouse (not in my lifetime at least).

But the media ave whipped up a hysteria in the minds of us common men, and there is a sense that Obama will be some kind of demigod, capable of righting all the US's wrongs and some of ours in the process. This is just naive.

There is a limit to what he can do, and I think we will find that those limits fall far short of our hopes nad expectations. I think it best to prepare ourselves now for a coming dose of reality.

Yes, we will be disappointed, but by god Id rather be disappointed by Obama than horrified by another incredible Bush policy.

Anyway ... So no gatherings planned? I would have thought that at least the Dublin socialist brigades would be doing something, but I havent noticed any of their inkjet A4 posters littering town.

Nick_oliveri

Kevster wrote: »

HOWEVER, under Obama, Guantanamo will close, the Iraq war will be 'over' this year, the US is gaining fans around the world, and the Afghan war will be revitalised.

I hope them inmates get the compensation they deserve, although i wonder what could make up for that. I hope the all powerful Obama realises that letting the innocent ones go or whatever he has "planned" might not be the right choice. I'd hold a bit of a grudge.

Gaining fans? Could you explain that?

The Iraq war being "over" doesn't fix the problem in the Country. I assume you'll be happy when they are still killing each other as long as the troops are out. You cant **** up a country that much and leave.

And no amounts of "yes we can" speeches are going to change that one. Also, dont be fooled by empty promises until you see them in action. He might not be the political saviour that many have painted him as. Wait it out.

Mr.Micro

dresden8 wrote: »

You're going to be very disappointed.

Obama works for the same people. Nothing will change.

I am always disappointed, but "the Bush reign of terror" is at an end. I do not disgaree with your post, in that the same shadowy people will still be in charge, but perhaps Obama may be a bit more diplomatic instead of gung ho like Bush. Bush was/is a disaster on every front.

Nodin

dresden8 wrote: »

You're going to be very disappointed.

Obama works for the same people. Nothing will change.

I don't accept that he "works for the same people", however I doubt he's going to stray far from the center. All the same, I presume we'll see far less aggressive Foriegn Policy and a bit more sense prevail.

Danuogma

dresden8 wrote: »

You're going to be very disappointed.

Obama works for the same people. Nothing will change.

Yes, precisely. Nothing will change for the better under Obama, things will most likely get worse. US presidents DO NOT work for the people that elect them.

Kevster

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

I hope them inmates get the compensation they deserve, although i wonder what could make up for that. I hope the all powerful Obama realises that letting the innocent ones go or whatever he has "planned" might not be the right choice. I'd hold a bit of a grudge.

Gaining fans? Could you explain that?

The Iraq war being "over" doesn't fix the problem in the Country. I assume you'll be happy when they are still killing each other as long as the troops are out. You cant **** up a country that much and leave.

And no amounts of "yes we can" speeches are going to change that one. Also, dont be fooled by empty promises until you see them in action. He might not be the political saviour that many have painted him as. Wait it out.

Hey,

No, I won't be happy as long as they are still killing each other when the troops leave. I will never be happy with anythig that happens in the world, in fact, which is why I live my life depressed and with suicidal thoughts. I care for people, which is why I can't stand what happens in this God-forsaken world.

'Fans' was perhaps the wrong word. What I meant was that governments around the world who are typically anti-US are now appearing more receptive to the US. For example, Raul Castro, Vladimir Putin, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and that guy in Venezuela... ... ...What's his name again? Damn, it's slipped my mind.

bmaxi

I agree Obama's hands are tied, to a large extent, by the money men and the arms and oil industries but in comparison to Bush, the team he is assembling has a more amenable and approachable look to it. Bush was surrounded by cheats and warmongers such as Cheney and Rumsfeld, an unholy trinity if ever there was.
I wish Obama all the best and hope he can repay some, at least, of the faith that has been placed in him but he has a tough job ahead.

bnt

There's a pub in Dublin centre called "The Oval", named after the Oval Office, so I might drop in there on the 20th to see what's up. It's just off O'Connell St., on the corner with Eason's book store. It's literally surrounded by Eason's, between the two Eason's entrances, so you can guess that it's not very big...