Gazza Documentary

Melion

Melion wrote: »

Yeah and Fowler has 5 or 6(mainly due to winning 3/4 in 2001)

Yeah, because Fowler was a terrible striker:rolleyes:

Melion

rarnes1 wrote: »

Yeah, because Fowler was a terrible striker:rolleyes:

What? He's my favourite player to ever kick a ball so i think i missed your point

Melion

Melion wrote: »

What? He's my favourite player to ever kick a ball so i think i missed your point

Think we got our wires crossed there, apologies.

Fowler is a Legend

This programme is actually pretty sad so far

Melion

Jesus his youngest son seems like a right little cúnt

kippy

Melion wrote: »

Jesus his youngest son seems like a right little cúnt

The apple does not fall far from the tree etc........

Tusky

Who exactly is this program supposed to help ? I dont see why they they felt the need to make it.

20 Times 20 Times

They made this program for the cash ? I dont see this helping anyone.

Huggles

Agreed, absolutely no point to this show. Uncomfortable viewing tbh.

Sheryls speach about being beaten, how does that help him stop being an alcho.

Tusky wrote: »

Who exactly is this program supposed to help ? I dont see why they they felt the need to make it.

Melion

Tusky wrote: »

Who exactly is this program supposed to help ? I dont see why they they felt the need to make it.

Have to agree

stovelid

Exploitative crap. Just turned it off.

Melion

Its a joke they made it with no input from Gazza himself. All those phonecalls were a disgrace, could just as easily have been made by the director behind the camera instead of gazza himself.

D.S.

Huggles wrote: »

Agreed, absolutely no point to this show. Uncomfortable viewing tbh.

Sheryls speach about being beaten, how does that help him stop being an alcho.

Clearly it's not about helping Gazza....it's called 'Surviving Gazza'... clearly the family have gone through an awful lot and have struggled to help Gazza since he does not want to help himself......

Hopefully this hasn't been done for money only because I think it's a story that needed to be told (i.e. a family's perspective on domestic violence, alcoholism, psychological disorder).. whether or not you agree with what the family are doing... or your opinion on Gazza...

leninbenjamin

so the verdict is utter garbage designed to milk the last few droplets of cash from the Gazza brand? glad i decided not to watch it then.

Charlie

The youngest son needs a clip round the ear, and sat down to watch 'that goal'. No fcukin interest in football :rolleyes:....the little soft sod. He seems to be taking pleasure in peddling these tales, like the local hairdresser does dishing out the weekly gossip.

The bloke is clearly on the brink, yet his so called 'family' seem happy to whore out every bit of family footage for a few quid, clearly they feel they haven't milked him enough yet.

Melion

Anybody else want to find that yank and slap her in the womb?

opr

Are you all f***ing serious ?

The guys a wife beating, alcoholic, scumbag piece of s**t and your all passing judgement and looking down on his family.

Opr

Melion

opr wrote: »

Are you all f***ing serious ?

The guys a wife beating, alcoholic, scumbag piece of s**t and your all passing judgement and looking down on his family.

Opr

Why is he a scumbag? Or a piece of shít? He's an alcoholic, thats a disease just as serious as cancer etc so i dont see why people shouldnt have sympathy for him.

His Ex-Wife did come across like a gold digger in this documentary.

yabadabado

charlie mchugh wrote: »

The youngest son needs a clip round the ear, and sat down to watch 'that goal'. No fcukin interest in football :rolleyes:....the little soft sod. He seems to be taking pleasure in peddling these tales, like the local hairdresser does dishing out the weekly gossip.

i think thats wot d young lad is gonna be

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Melion wrote: »

He's an alcoholic, thats a disease

A very treatable disease.

He is doing nothing to help himself.

ShriekingSheet

therecklessone wrote: »

I've no doubt that had Gascoigne signed for United and Ferguson has managed to protect him from his "mates" and perhaps more crucially himself, then he would have won many more honours in his career.

I was initially shocked by the sentiment that you think any football manager could have any significant effect on PG's condition. But by following it up with the below, I think you've hit the nail on the head...

therecklessone wrote: »

I do have my doubts that Ferguson would have managed to do that, given Paul's history of depression and mental illness, and the hangers on that helped drag him down. I'd echo the sentiment expressed below re.

It's not really a discussion for the football forum, because it's nothing to do with football really. The coctail of conditions he's suffering from is not curable. In his younger days it was managable but coupled with the footballer's lifestyle (be it at ManU, Lazio or wherever) it was a recepie for the disaster we're now seeing.
There is no 'chin up there son, just give the tipple a rest for a bit and you'll be fine' as some people are suggesting. I'm no expert but OCD, Clinical/Manic Depression and Alcoholism are a mix of things your born with and things you pick up. Suggesting that his problems derrive from mis-man-management or greedy agents, or a gold digging wife are ridiculous IMO.

Granted, being in the position to do things like go on tour with Iron Maiden hasn't helped his cause But if he never kicked a football in his life he would still be a very troubled guy.

A football manager trying to 'fix' a player like this is at best futile. Especially given the time, there was less awareness and understanding of his condition. Things like Jack Charlton holding his wages in a fund or having Packie Bonner and Ray Houghton stand gaurd outside Paul McGrath's door might see the guy through to the next day, or the next game, but that's it.

Melion wrote: »

Why is he a scumbag? Or a piece of shít? He's an alcoholic, thats a disease just as serious as cancer etc so i dont see why people shouldnt have sympathy for him.

His Ex-Wife did come across like a gold digger in this documentary.

He's a scumbag because he beat the sh*t out of his wife. He's a piece of sh*t because he shouts abuse down the phone at his sons and daughter and barely talks to his youngest (his own) son who has very cleary been badly affected by the whole thing.

Lots of ordinary people, as well as celebs and sports stars suffer from depression and alcoholism and don't do these things. It doesn't come part and parcel with the "disease".

ShriekingSheet

yabadabado wrote: »

i think thats wot d young lad is gonna be

at best

stovelid

opr wrote: »

The guys a wife beating, alcoholic, scumbag piece of s**t and your all passing judgement and looking down on his family.

Agreed.

A wife beating, alcoholic, scumbag piece of s**t is a bad thing.

So is a TV programme that parades the children of a wife beating, alcoholic, scumbag piece of s**t on live TV for titillation, under the auspices of documentary.

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It wasn't live.

Mr Alan

but it was fucking shite.

Melion

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

He's a scumbag because he beat the sh*t out of his wife. He's a piece of sh*t because he shouts abuse down the phone at his sons and daughter and barely talks to his youngest (his own) son who has very cleary been badly affected by the whole thing.

Did you hear him shouting down the phone?

stovelid

Des wrote: »

It wasn't live.

Sorry.

Here is a revised version of the post to clear up any confusion:

Agreed.

A wife beating, alcoholic, scumbag piece of s**t is a bad thing.

So is a TV programme that parades the children of a wife beating, alcoholic, scumbag piece of s**t on live TV for titillation, under the auspices of documentary.

BaZmO*

poindexter wrote: »

i think the best players win the best trophies, if not with their clubs then with their countries. Gazza won, i think, an FA Cup and some leagues and cups in scotland during rangers 9iar run, outwith that what did he do? George Best threw it all away too, but during his career he helped his club win the European Cup which Gazza never got anywhere near. his legacy will be crying during a semi final in a major tournament, coz he was suspended from the final had his team got through. never a model pro and he may have had skill by the bucket load, he still had a long way to go IMO

You have to bear in mind that when George Best was playing English Clubs weren't banned from playing in Europe. Granted he went to Lazio when he was 25 for a short while but he was injured for quite a lot of that time. Then he went to Rangers.....and well, the rest is history.

brayblue24

yabadabado wrote: »

i think thats wot d young lad is gonna be

LOL

poindexter

BaZmO* wrote: »

You have to bear in mind that when George Best was playing English Clubs weren't banned from playing in Europe. Granted he went to Lazio when he was 25 for a short while but he was injured for quite a lot of that time. Then he went to Rangers.....and well, the rest is history.

history? as in he became a wife beating alcoholic??

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it's kinda mad how people can come on here and criticize his son for not wanting to stand by him or give out about him. this wee guy has lived with this since the day he was born, a father who gets up and walks out on his family anytime he sees fit and can't be bothered being there. the effects it has on that wee guy is first hand and shows how families can be torn apart. Gazza was in the Priory, for him to stay away from the booze he knows what to do, he will have gotten every tool available to help him and he chose not to use them. mental illness is another thing altogether, but the help and support are there for him. why should that wee guy want someone back in his life who caused nothing but heartache when he was there??

Eirebear

Then he went to Rangers.....and well, the rest is history.

He played probably the best football of his career?

EDIT: I agre with Poindexter on one point though, people should lay off his son...he's a 12 year old kid FFS. I never watched the documentary itself, but i caught an interview on TV with sheryl and the family and it was obvious that the kid was an easy target for the interviewers to try and push into saying something controversial.

BaZmO*

poindexter wrote: »

history? as in he became a wife beating alcoholic??

Among other things.


And as for people slagging off his kid, that's just pig ignorance.

iregk

I love it. Only on this board could people sit down and watch a program about a footballer going through some serious mental and physical issue who lets not forget was a wife beater. Defend him and instead end up laying into his 12 year old son for the way he looks, carries on, doesn't like football, acts etc...

He is 12. We really have become the image obsessed culture haven't we? Classy work lads, very classy.

BaZmO*

Eirebear wrote: »

He played probably the best football of his career?

In the SFL.....although do we really need a debate on that one? But he did win a bit while there.

Eirebear

BaZmO* wrote: »

In the SFL.....although do we really need a debate on that one? But he did win a bit while there.

Should really have expected such arrogance, but i think you will find he played some pretty damn good football for England while at Ibrox

BaZmO*

Eirebear wrote: »

Should really have expected such arrogance, but i think you will find he played some pretty damn good football for England while at Ibrox

It's not arrogance. The SPL is widely considered a lesser league than the other top leagues.

Eirebear

BaZmO* wrote: »

It's not arrogance. The SPL is widely considered a lesser league than the other top leagues.

It doesnt take away from the argument that he was at the top of his game for both club and country.

The guy put shifts in at every ground he went to, home and away, which is something many of the "top stars" that come to scotland struggle with, wether that is down to workrate or anything else.

As i pointed out before, he will go down as one of the best players ever to pull on a Rangers jersey, and i include the likes of Cooper, Laudrup, Baxter, Butcher et al in that.

However i will concede that Walter Smiths management style (The team that drinks together wins together) probably didnt help him in the long term.

tetsujin1979

Just on some of the comments on the thread about the documentary exploiting gazza, and his family for ratings, or whatever. There was an interview on NewsTalk before the show last night about 8:30, with someone associated with the documentary. Can't remember the exact connection, producer I think.
According to her, the whole idea was Gazza's to document his return from the Priory to the family home and his recovery. Initially Sheryl was against it, but he convinced her it was a good idea.
As you saw from the show, it did start out being about him, with footage shot by the kids themselves, before the camera crew moved in. When he left after a few weeks because he couldn't handle being at home anymore, it became more about the impact his addictions and mental problems have on his family, than about him.

FWIW, I thought it was a good show, but very hard to watch in places.

poindexter

Eirebear wrote: »

It doesnt take away from the argument that he was at the top of his game for both club and country.

The guy put shifts in at every ground he went to, home and away, which is something many of the "top stars" that come to scotland struggle with, wether that is down to workrate or anything else.

As i pointed out before, he will go down as one of the best players ever to pull on a Rangers jersey, and i include the likes of Cooper, Laudrup, Baxter, Butcher et al in that.

However i will concede that Walter Smiths management style (The team that drinks together wins together) probably didnt help him in the long term.

aye, probably not
do you think maybe it went hand in hand, and hte fact he was out pissin it up so much meant he could relax more and enjoy his game, thus bringin out the best in him?? was it then in turn counter productive??? obv he played a part in ur team winnin more, but at what cost to him as a person

Eirebear

poindexter wrote: »

aye, probably not
do you think maybe it went hand in hand, and hte fact he was out pissin it up so much meant he could relax more and enjoy his game, thus bringin out the best in him?? was it then in turn counter productive??? obv he played a part in ur team winnin more, but at what cost to him as a person

I dont know to be honest, i mean even though Smith encouraged the team to go out on piss ups, and there were some VERY hard drinkers in the squad at the time in Durrant, Goram, McCoist etc. he also banned Gazza from socialising with the likes of Evans, Five Bellies and Baker.

So in a way maybe Smith had the right idea, at least in the short term, he got the best out of him as a player whilst obviously aditting to himself that there was very little hope for him on a personal level.

His sale to Middlesborough is probably a good indicator of this, considering Gazza's mental state was deteriorating again did Smith and Murray decided it was time to cash in before it went too far? Despite the fact it could be argued we lost the league the moment we sold him.

I dont think anyone will truly be able to pinpoint where it all went wrong for the man, and all this debate will go round in circles for years to come.

To my mind he will always go down as the typical "flawed genius", he truly was a magician on the field, its a sad thing that he never fully realised it.