Saleproof cars

ninty9er

Just looking through Carzone (I've become accustomed to the new format and its functionality has grown on me) but there seem to be some specific saleproofs.

Manual Camrys. For a country in love with manuals....explaining why they were bought that way new, they seem to be saleproof compared to the auto counterpart on the secondhand market.

What is so different in the taste of the new and used owner??

peasant

It's not the gearbox, it's the 2.2 liter engine that's killing them

ninty9er

peasant wrote: »

It's not the gearbox, it's the 2.2 liter engine that's killing them

2.4....but people still pay more for inferior Mercs with bigger engines.

Mycroft H

ninty9er wrote: »

Just looking through Carzone (I've become accustomed to the new format and its functionality has grown on me) but there seem to be some specific saleproofs.

Manual Camrys. For a country in love with manuals....explaining why they were bought that way new, they seem to be saleproof compared to the auto counterpart on the secondhand market.

What is so different in the taste of the new and used owner??

The autos were popular with taxi drivers werent they?

Owen

Range Rovers, and Freelanders. Both dead in the water currently where once they thrived.

mumhaabu

ned78 wrote: »

Range Rovers, and Freelanders. Both dead in the water currently where once they thrived.

The same people with money to buy these won't now as they'd buy new instead and the lower classes haven't the ability to snap up the second hand ones now like they could before with the help of loans and big wages from false economy building sites.

I can see all the upper class marques taking a fierce hit in 2nd hand values and the ladder climbing plebs are going down the rung and not up.

Tony Broke

Do Auto's still have such a bad rep?

I know you have the potential to cause a lot more damage with a manual transmission, than you do an auto if some isnt a great driver, but generally speaking a good driver will not need to replace many clutches, if any.Then you add in the risk of replacing an auto box ( still very expensive isnt it? ), plus fuel economy and if the car does break down, isnt getting it towed a pain?

Besides the comfort of not having to shift and the risk that manuals will naturally rev a lot more thus strain on the engine, what advantages does a auto have over a manual?

They seem to be alot more expensive to maintain and they are not that cheap to buy either.Alot of them have higher prices than equivalent manuals because they are rare ( Auto passats, A4's etc. )

To answer your question ninty9er, i'd say people just think Auto's are riddled with problems when they older.New one's should be fine and the pleasure of cruising around would be brillant, but when they go older the ££ signs go up.

What would an auto box for a camry cost to fix?

Max_Damage

landyman wrote: »

The autos were popular with taxi drivers werent they?

The JDM versions are, not so much the Irish-versions.

Max_Damage

Tony Broke wrote: »

Do Auto's still have such a bad rep?

Auto's are for lazy Americans IMO!

ninty9er

Max_Damage wrote: »

The JDM versions are, not so much the Irish-versions.

There are no less than 5 Auto Irish petrol 2.4 Camrys on Limerick's taxi ranks, but why no manuals if they are way cheaper due to lack of demand, normally it's autos that are cheaper on the second-hand market.

Anyway, the Camry was just my example.

What cars do other people think are saleproof...and could be had cheap for a wily buyer in the current market?

Owen

The Renault VelSatis is another saleproof wonder. I remember valuing a year old one a few years ago, and it had dropped over 50% in the first year.

Tony Broke

ninty9er wrote: »

What cars do other people think are saleproof...and could be had cheap for a wily buyer in the current market?

Carisma's are one of the most reliable yokes on the road an people will pay you to take them away.Boring car to drive i'd say, but still..

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1281423

bazz26

Nissan Tiida, they cannot give them away except to car hire companies who hand them back after 6 months or so.

Volvoboy

Think that the higher CC car is sale proof at this stage, Road tax being the way it is.

Another car comes to mind is this; http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1276198

@ €1k a time to tax, i'd say the seller is one step away from throwing a nite of passion with her in doors to sweeten the deal.

I know i pay feck all road tax a year but i feel for the owners of larger CC cars (my da for one) that they pay all this money for tax and have to endure such poor roads.

Eric Cartman

Volvoboy wrote: »

Think that the higher CC car is sale proof at this stage, Road tax being the way it is.

Another car comes to mind is this; http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1276198

@ €1k a time to tax, i'd say the seller is one step away from throwing a nite of passion with her in doors to sweeten the deal.

I know i pay feck all road tax a year but i feel for the owners of larger CC cars (my da for one) that they pay all this money for tax and have to endure such poor roads.

if i could get insured in it i would have bought a gs300 in seconds, always wanted one, but any taximen i know with them are cringing at the fuel economy right now,

my personal bet on saleproof is iszuzu troopers (the 3.0td ones, the ones where the engines blew up) , there dime a dozen on carzone

Mycroft H

My dad was given an 97 escort and it wasnt in bad nik but we had fierce trouble selling it - ya practically couldnt give them away

RobAMerc

ninty9er wrote: »

2.4....but people still pay more for inferior Mercs with bigger engines.

Mercs inferior to a Toyota Camry? I have heard it all now !

Volvoboy

RobAMerc wrote: »

Mercs inferior to a Toyota Camry? I have heard it all now !

Wouldnt take too much notice, the thread is a bit of a contradiction as it is.

ninty9er

RobAMerc wrote: »

Mercs inferior to a Toyota Camry? I have heard it all now !

I actually got that line from a merc salesman!

Volvoboy

ninty9er wrote: »

I actually got that line from a merc salesman!

No cars is 100% reliable, but for a merc salesman to say that is a brave thing to say.

ronnie3585

Land Rover Discoveries, lots and lots of them,

http://www.carzone.ie/search/results?cacheBuster=1231107688843538#nParam=4294910786&sortby=Make|0&maxrows=100

shabbyalonso

The higher the tax, the higher to shift the car it seems! I'm paying EUR1500 on car tax (drive a BMW 840) and it's so painful when bill time comes but hey, what can ya do!!! The worst thing however, as mentioned earlier, is that the roads are so bad, ya wonder if the tax is being used on roads at all!

Dartz

I was given an Renault Laguna, because the owner couldn't sell it....

Guy:Incognito

shabbyalonso wrote: »

ya wonder if the tax is being used on roads at all!

No, and nowhere does it say it is.

motor tax isnt a tax to build roads with.

shabbyalonso

Stekelly wrote: »

No, and nowhere does it say it is.

motor tax isnt a tax to build roads with.

Okay, not really surprising mind. However, is the official name not "road tax"?

McSpud

Stekelly wrote: »

motor tax isnt a tax to build roads with.

I may be wrong but I seem to remember back in late 80s or early 90s that instead of adding water rates the government told the local authorities to take the road taxes.

Road tax has nothing to do with road maintenance.

Anan1

shabbyalonso wrote: »

Okay, not really surprising mind. However, is the official name not "road tax"?

Yeah, but it's tax to be on the road as opposed to tax to pay for the road.

Guy:Incognito

shabbyalonso wrote: »

Okay, not really surprising mind. However, is the official name not "road tax"?

Nope

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/welcome.do

Climate Expert

Stekelly wrote: »

No, and nowhere does it say it is.

motor tax isnt a tax to build roads with.

The tax is used to build roads. Some of it at least.

Guy:Incognito

Climate Expert wrote: »

The tax is used to build roads. Some of it at least.

Yeah ,in the same way income tax is. It all goes into a pot and the budgets are given out from there.

What I meant is it's not ringfenced.

VolvoMan

I find anything big-engined in this country is hard to sell, be it petrol or diesel.