what happens if you are caught at over 160kpk

NedKelly

If you were caught doing over 160kph say on m50 120kpz zone is it a year Ban ?
or just points

Drummerboy08

You didnt get caught at it by any chance did ya......

Can you be done for dangerous driving? I think you can. Can anyone else confirm this?

ninty9er

NedKelly wrote: »

If you were caught doing over 160kph say on m50 120kpz zone is it a year Ban ?
or just points

Isn't most of the M50 now 100km/h since upgrade to urban motorway.

unkel

NedKelly wrote: »

If you were caught doing over 160kph say on m50 120kpz zone is it a year Ban ?
or just points

I don't think anywhere on the M50 is 120km/h is there? The upgraded stretches are 100km/h and the work in progress stretches are 60km/h but I am open to correction on this.

NedKelly

No i wasnt caught
we were just discussing it in the pub last night
a mate i know sells cars for a living and one of the new guys was
heard boasting that he did 140mph in a DB9 in parkwest !
we were just wondering if you got caught on the m50 at say 180 Kph
what would happen ?

omb0wyn5ehpij9

As far as i know once you are caught at 100mph or more, they have the power to disqualify you very easily

ninty9er

Bryn wrote: »

As far as i know once you are caught at 100mph or more, they have the power to disqualify you very easily

They can charge you with dangerous driving, but that's as far as it goes.

Speeding OR dangerous driving NOT both.

I almost got banned by a particular mod for suggesting it was safe to exceed the speed limit.

If people drive properly at 180km/h a Garda would find it VERY difficult to prove you were driving dangerously, but could dole out 2 penalty points. This is where the new ANPR cameras and recording devices will come into their own. Speeding and dangerous driving are not inextricably linked, though are linked in the main in this country due to the poor level of driver education.

mumblin deaf ro

I would say that very few non-professional drivers could drive safely on the M50 at 180kph.

ninty9er

mumblin deaf ro wrote: »

I would say that very few non-professional drivers could drive safely on the M50 at 180kph.

The M50...no...I think 120/140 is about right for the M50

eringobragh

ninty9er wrote: »

The M50...no...I think 120/140 is about right for the M50

I'm a lead foot but even I wouldn't do that on the M50 people zipping into lanes without indicating, sudden cluster of cars stopped its just not feasible (maybe after 8pm and before 5am)

Now the M4/M6 is a road you can st your watch do I often travel that road with the triple digits (old money)

timmywex

Theres no hard and fast rule, it depends on traffic conditions, road conditions, speed limit, lighting conditions, any other things that could effect you at such speed. Everything would be a case by case result then, and depend what garda stopped you and what mod theyre in! Speeding or dangerous driving, dangerous driving could well get you a ban

lb163

Should be put off the road for driving at that speed on M50 no excuse

timmywex

ninty9er wrote: »

If people drive properly at 180km/h a Garda would find it VERY difficult to prove you were driving dangerously, but could dole out 2 penalty points. This is where the new ANPR cameras and recording devices will come into their own. Speeding and dangerous driving are not inextricably linked, though are linked in the main in this country due to the poor level of driver education.

Maybe im reading this a bit wrong but the new anpr camera's wont be used for speeding in such a way, the camera are fitted to garda cars and they read the number plates of surrounding vehicles, the gardai are then alerted if the car is untaxed, reported stolen or wanted in relation to anything. Eventually it is hoped an insurance database would be linked to this system also.

Maybe what your thinking of are the new gatso vans, that just sit at the roadside and take pictures....?

eringobragh

timmywex wrote: »

Maybe im reading this a bit wrong but the new anpr camera's wont be used for speeding in such a way, the camera are fitted to garda cars and they read the number plates of surrounding vehicles, the gardai are then alerted if the car is untaxed, reported stolen or wanted in relation to anything. Eventually it is hoped an insurance database would be linked to this system also.

Maybe what your thinking of are the new gatso vans, that just sit at the roadside and take pictures....?

It will use VASCAR like the UK does a modified stopwatch with your speed between 2 points video'd

Eoin

unkel wrote: »

I don't think anywhere on the M50 is 120km/h is there? The upgraded stretches are 100km/h and the work in progress stretches are 60km/h but I am open to correction on this.

I will have to double check, but I think the stretch from the M50 to the M11 is 120.

donvito99

eringobragh wrote: »

It will use VASCAR like the UK does a modified stopwatch with your speed between 2 points video'd

Dont mean to be picky or anything but...source?

ninty9er

eringobragh wrote: »

I'm a lead foot but even I wouldn't do that on the M50 people zipping into lanes without indicating, sudden cluster of cars stopped its just not feasible (maybe after 8pm and before 5am)

I try to keep to 80(ish) in road works areas the rare times I'd be on it, but apart from that it's a decent road.

The tax man

eoin wrote: »

I will have to double check, but I think the stretch from the M50 to the M11 is 120.

It is indeed. Just after the slip from Lepoardstown,past finish of upgrade roadworks, big 120km/h sign on the grass median.

eringobragh

donvito99 wrote: »

Dont mean to be picky or anything but...source?

Sorry I haven't a source but the ANPR cars have speed camera detections I presume it will a similar system provided by provida as there is no really other way on detecting speed from a moving car other than fitting all the cars with moving RADAR which would be cost prohibitive and a nuisance to tune every shift.

biko

I was caught doing 40km over the limit (was doing 140 on a 100 road) and got 2 points and 80 euro fine. Would assume same applies doing 40 over 120 too.
Heard that some countries will revoke your licence immediately if you do excess of 30 over the posted limit, apparently not Ireland.

mumblin deaf ro

I think in the Uk if you're caught driving over 100mph (160kph) you lose your licence.

mik_da_man

I heard that same rule for here - not too sure how true it is though......

donvito99

eringobragh wrote: »

Sorry I haven't a source but the ANPR cars have speed camera detections I presume it will a similar system provided by provida as there is no really other way on detecting speed from a moving car other than fitting all the cars with moving RADAR which would be cost prohibitive and a nuisance to tune every shift.

I agree, speed detection is a must, even if the main priority is Number Plate Recognition.

johndoc

ninty9er wrote: »

If people drive properly at 180km/h a Garda would find it VERY difficult to prove you were driving dangerously, but could dole out 2 penalty points. snip Speeding and dangerous driving are not inextricably linked, though are linked in the main in this country due to the poor level of driver education.

Bang on ninty9er..... There are certainly people out there who drive too fast for the conditions but I for one am fed up with the hysterics surrounding anyone breaking the speed limit. Speed doesn't do it..... inappropriate speed does.

As for the notion that an automatic driving ban is placed on anyone doing over 160kph either here or the uk..... not true. Judge probably won't take kindly to it tho so expect something harsh. Maybe a ban... maybe not.... maybe nothing at all!!!

Gardai (and so on) press releases have been banging on about ANPR rolling out since 2005..... its not there yet but its not far off.

It'll be seperate units for the ANPR and speed detection as normal.


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mumblin deaf ro

Yeah but when will you get someone who drives over the speed limit and admits that they were going inappropriately fast? They would just say that is was fast but they could handle it.

ninty9er

mumblin deaf ro wrote: »

Yeah but when will you get someone who drives over the speed limit and admits that they were going inappropriately fast? They would just say that is was fast but they could handle it.

If they could handle it they wouldn't admit it was inappropriate.

mumblin deaf ro

They might think they could handle it, which doesn't mean they could actually handle it - drivers tend to overestimate their ability and that of their car.

ninty9er

mumblin deaf ro wrote: »

They might think they could handle it, which doesn't mean they could actually handle it - drivers tend to overestimate their ability and that of their car.

The question posed of a DB9, I imagine 140mph wouldn't be an overestimate on the ability of the car....as for the driver....if you can afford a DB9 you probably have more money than sense.

johndoc

Its not whether the driver 'thinks they can handle it', its what is appropriate.
I can drive at 100kph along country roads, with vegetation encroaching on the already poor visibility, around tight bends, in heavy rain, with mud on the road, at night, past the local ladies walking society, in my 20 year old ford escort that's due its NCT next wednesday.... and I'm not 'speeding'.
I can do 1kph over that on an empty and straight M50, in the middle of the day, on a dry road, with no traffic, in a DB9 recently serviced and more than capable brakes, tires etc...... and I'm speeding
And if I did.... then I'd be one of those evil killers who SPEEEEEED!!!

Its nonsense. I understand that there have to be rules that can't be decided by a Garda who does some complex calculations at the side of the road having considered all of the above or more factors. But the 'speed kills' generalisation is just that - a generalisation. Try educating some of the crap drivers out there as well.

And bring on the ANPR, GATSO's and VASCAR. They did in the UK and the cops vanished. In the 10 years I was there I went through less speed traps and check-points than I have here in the past 10 weeks.



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unkel

eoin wrote: »

I will have to double check, but I think the stretch from the M50 to the M11 is 120.

Aye, I always forget that bit is part of the M50 and not the M11. It is 120km/h for sure

Matt Simis

On a related note, is there a private track long here enough for speed runs?