Pepper spray to be new weapon for the Garda

djtechnics1210

I know who'll be getting out of the car first at calls......

CharlieCroker

I'm intake KC.
The JC's were the 1st to get the semi-rigids last sept, all future phases will get them on attestation.

My intake is due to be the first to get the pepper spray as standard equipment upon attestation in september. That also means we'll be the first to have the spray tested on us. (All members who are issued with it have to be subjected to how it feels!!!):mad:

Silop08

There are a lot of rumours about cut backs etc but can anyone tell me when the spray and new cuffs are being introduced / issued

djtechnics1210

2015 id say, cause of no funding for AGS

the locust

Yeah i believe its 4.5 million for the contract, but the Commission has said yes its a priority

Turner

i wouldnt refer to it as a weapon. Its personal protective equipment.

Silop08

Ok made some enquiries. The tender was sent out in Nov 08. Finished in the Middle of March. Not sure who got the tender but the training course for the spray is currently being developed and due for issue in Sept.

I have also heard that it will be run with the new cuffs. Anyone hear any different

ScubaDave

Aye, heard from CPD that the plan is to make a day course out of the new cuffs and the spray! Sooner the better!

meathstevie

Trojan911 wrote: »

When we had them rolled out in the Met we used H2O to practise etc however we were offered a chance to feel what it was like to experience a dose, so a weaker version of what is issued was sprayed into our facial area. This was voluntary but I had a go & it still stung, great for clearing the sinuses though. Do you know what % strength they are?

Don't know about the pepper one but CS is 2% for the "give a feel what it's like" stuff and 5% for the operational cans.

Hooch

ScubaDave wrote: »

Aye, heard from CPD that the plan is to make a day course out of the new cuffs and the spray! Sooner the better!

Ya its to be the Public Order instructors giving the course, same as the Asps.

cushtac

For my next prediction, I say they'll issue PAVA.

FruitLover

Chief--- wrote: »

i wouldnt refer to it as a weapon. Its personal protective equipment.

Yet, I've heard that civilians caught carrying it would be subject to "firearms" charges...?

Hooch

cushtac wrote: »

For my next prediction, I say they'll issue PAVA.

PAVA would be the wise choice no that they have almost perfected it, but since it is 1% stronger, the job might go for the teddy bear effect and go with CS/OS

eroo

FruitLover wrote: »

Yet, I've heard that civilians caught carrying it would be subject to "firearms" charges...?

Don't know about that.. but it is a weapon, no matter who's hands it's in. However, it is a weapon that is used for self protection.

Hooch

eroo wrote: »

Don't know about that.. but it is a weapon, no matter who's hands it's in. However, it is a weapon that is used for self protection.

Folks the correct term for pepper spray is not just a weapon. The correct term is ''less than lethal weapon''

As for civilans having it the yes if falls into the remit of firearms and offensive weapons Act.

cushtac

nice guy always wrote: »

PAVA would be the wise choice no that they have almost perfected it, but since it is 1% stronger, the job might go for the teddy bear effect and go with CS/OS

Both CS & OC are effective agents, and OC is on issue to the ERU & RSU. There's reasons other than the agents effectiveness that have lead me to predict PAVA.

Hooch

cushtac wrote: »

Both CS & OC are effective agents, and OC is on issue to the ERU & RSU. There's reasons other than the agents effectiveness that have lead me to predict PAVA.

Go on i've head little about it past what i've stated (which i heard from RSU)

Trojan911

FruitLover wrote: »

Yet, I've heard that civilians caught carrying it would be subject to "firearms" charges...?

In the UK you could be charged with firearms offences if as a civilian you were caught with it, from memory I believe, it falls under Sec5 Firearms Act.

Same applies to police officers if they are carrying it off duty without reasonable cause.

Can't imagine it would be much different over here.

deadwood

cushtac wrote: »

CS & OC...ERU & RSU...PAVA.

Ok.

Do they all provide the same KO effect?

I saw on The Worlds Most Amazing Road Wars, or something, that the UK one is 6 imes stronge than the one used in the U.S.

DCTF

Larger type of cannister like the one used by the RSU. As seen on the news in Limerick.



Smaller handheld cannister

cushtac

deadwood wrote: »

Do they all provide the same KO effect?

A decent brand of any of those agents would work well against 99% of the population.

eroo

DCTF wrote: »

''I see you've played knifey-spoony before!'' *cough cough, mucus splutter*

donvito99

DCTF wrote: »

Seems to be enjoying it...reminds me of sonething else though...:eek::P

Trojan911

deadwood wrote: »

Ok.

Do they all provide the same KO effect?

I saw on The Worlds Most Amazing Road Wars, or something, that the UK one is 6 imes stronge than the one used in the U.S.

UK stats show 1 in 10 humans are immune (those stats will differ here due to population). All dogs apparently immune. And I believe the Met issue is 5% in strength (it's been a couple of years since I carried one). The training cannister is 3% but still as nasty, but brilliant if the sinuses are blocked.

First aid after involves: Eye wash, ventilated area & be aware of cross contamination i.e. don't bring the perp before the custody skipper still honking of it. He/She will not be grateful to you.

Do not *Cough* lock your perp into the back of the van where there is no ventilation.