17. Nani

Mitch Connor

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

actually Mr_Alan has posted the most in this thread.

Ah, but he is not 'for' Nani.

Spud83

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Ah, but he is not 'for' Nani.

Exactly so the fact that he has ten pages of conversation doesn't prove he has anything going for him.

EDIT: it also doesn't prove he has nothing going for him.

What it proves is that he has divided fans both Man Utd fans and non-Man Utd fans.

Second EDIT: i like how Boggles is using the thanks as a means to keep his post count down so he doesn't over take Mr_Alan.

Unearthly

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

actually Mr_Alan has posted the most in this thread.

obsessed tbh

small time mentality some might say

Spud83

Unearthly wrote: »

obsessed tbh

small time mentality some might say

Mr Alan

Unearthly wrote: »

obsessed tbh

small time mentality some might say

ha ha ha hilarious.

Spud83

Mr Alan wrote: »

ha ha ha hilarious.

Thats supposed to be disappointed Homer

Unearthly

He's a smart boy is Alan

Worth a shot though:pac:

Y2J_MUFC

Des wrote: »

There's a dedicated Manchester United thread tbh.

Yes, and it has the ability add polls to it dynamically? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Don't understand people who post absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Nani deserves a chance, he's only 21 or 22. Should we have gotten rid of Ronaldo after a season and a half? He hardly set the world on fire in his first two years with his awful crossing?

Nani really annoys me at times with his choices, but then again, so did Ronaldo. If you look at his stats, he's done pretty ok. I'd prefer him on the right though. He always plays much better there. He tries to cut inside too often on the left.

mormank

Boggles wrote: »

There in a nutshell is why Rafa will never win the league.

why?? cos he doesnt constantly get ref decisions in his favour like utd have constantly at old trafford for the past ten years..shame on u rafa for not attempting to bully refs more..:rolleyes:

Kold

Poll is missing the "I couldn't give a flying toss" option.

internelligent

+1

mormank

Xavi6 wrote: »

And was absolutely woeful in them. I watched all Brazil's games bar one I think (thank you time zone) and he was piss poor. Even Lucas looked better.

(Jo was **** too btw before anyone accuses me of City bias)

even lucas?? thats a bit harsh on lucas. remember he was the youngest ever winner of player of the year in brazil or summit..previous winners include kaka, rivaldo and co iirc...lucas and anderson will both be top midfielders imo...im a bog anderson fan tbh and while i would take him to the pool in a heartbeat i dunno if he would get on(not a dig) therefore maybe stunting his growth..gonna be class tho!!

Blatter

Hands up who said yes?:rolleyes:

Smegball

I said no

Always had faith he would come good, always had the attributes, excellent shot cross and dribbling.

Just he was inconsistent as fúck.

Carroller16

I started the thread :-(

~Rebel~

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Hands up who said yes?:rolleyes:

I said Yes. Today. And crossed my fingers.

Paully D

Well, at least everyone who said 'yes' gave a then 22 year old plenty of time to make an impression in the Premier League. Oh wait....:pac:

Only joking lads, but seriously, most young players need time to adapt to the Premier League and this thread is proof that you shouldn't make judgements on young players too soon.

J. Marston

Thank God Fergie stuck with Nani.
If I was told 18 months ago he would be the best winger in the league I would have laughed.

Smegball

I'm guessing Nani is the reason alot of people have faith in Anderson to come good

Mars Bar

I didn't realise the date on this thread and was wondering why Hull were being mentioned.
I was also getting increasingly annoyed by what I was reading!

I would have voted yes 18 months ago.

Liam O

could have sworn I posted in this thread...

guess most of my Nani arguments were in the superthread

Jazzy

who was that poster who kept telling ppl how good Nani was but they just wouldnt believe him? he also (deservedly) rated ibrahimovic too. this thread is just further proof that a lot of posters on this forum really truly know dick-all when it comes to rating players

roryc

I would have voted yes when this poll. Hated Nani last season, just thought he was a poor mans Ronaldo.

I think having to play alongside Ronnie has hugely improved him, Im sure he was constantly trying to out-do him. Now that he's on his own he's had a chance to shine, and has been immense this season.

Going by recent player valuations, hes prob worth about 40m.

v3ttel

Voted no. I had a few "lay off him" rants in the United thread (although I lost this username in the boards hacking incident), nice to look back and know I wasn't clinically insane :pac:

Y2J_MUFC wrote:

He needs people getting behind him, not getting on his back. I have faith in him to come good sooner or later. He showed enough in his first season when he played (semi) regularly, that he can be a match winner. He needs to be trusted and that will help his confidence.

Have faith in him ffs. He has a lot of potential.

Neil3030

Jesus this thread's so old I probably voted "Atari Jaguar"

bamboozling

Love threads like this! Made my day.

About 80% of United fans saying he should have been sold, now he's probably the best winger in the Prem.

Oh and Anderson to win the World Player of the year within 5 years! ROFL. :rolleyes:

Still nothing gets on my nerves as much as young lads being dismissed without being given a proper chance. We had it at Liverpool with Lucas, incidentally derided on this thread, and look where he's at now.

Great thread.

keane2097

bamboozling wrote: »

Love threads like this! Made my day.

About 80% of United fans saying he should have been sold, now he's probably the best winger in the Prem.

Oh and Anderson to win the World Player of the year within 5 years! ROFL. :rolleyes:

Still nothing gets on my nerves as much as young lads being dismissed without being given a proper chance. We had it at Liverpool with Lucas, incidentally derided on this thread, and look where he's at now.

Great thread.

Are you genuinely retarded?

View Poll Results: Do you think we should sell Nani at the end of the season? Yes 62 51.67% No 58 48.33% Voters: 120. You have already voted on this poll

astrofool

astrofool wrote: »

On Nani, fans are fickle, he'll find his feet soon enough, he's still young enough to keep on learning, and he'll weigh in with a few crucial goals between now and the end of the season, he'll have another couple of years at OT before they make their mind up long term with him. Second season syndrome, which he'll get over.

I shall quote myself today.

Blatter

bamboozling wrote: »

Love threads like this! Made my day.

If this made your day, you need to get out more.

bamboozling wrote: »

About 80% of United fans saying he should have been sold, now he's probably the best winger in the Prem.

Oh and Anderson to win the World Player of the year within 5 years! ROFL. :rolleyes:

Are you capable of making a post without trying to have pathetic little digs at Utd fans? The bitterness is rife.

bamboozling wrote: »

Still nothing gets on my nerves as much as young lads being dismissed without being given a proper chance. We had it at Liverpool with Lucas, incidentally derided on this thread, and look where he's at now.

Great thread.

How dare you compare Nani's rise to fame with Lucas.

bamboozling

keane2097 wrote: »

Are you genuinely retarded?

View Poll Results: Do you think we should sell Nani at the end of the season? Yes 62 51.67% No 58 48.33% Voters: 120. You have already voted on this poll

That doesn't take allegiances into account. The likes of Iago, Rory C, Carroler 16, Deise Devil and others were very vehement in their criticism of Nani. Rather a lot of United fans were proven very, very wrong. You even expressed your doubts about him.

bamboozling

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

If this made your day, you need to get out more.



Are you capable of making a post without trying to have pathetic little digs at Utd fans? The bitterness is rife.



How dare you compare Nani's rise to fame with Lucas.

Lucas is now a regular starter for Brazil and in my mind one of the best defensive midfielders in the league in my opinion. Both have come a long way since January 2009. Because one has come farther than the other doesn't diminish the other's achievements.

roryc

bamboozling wrote: »

That doesn't take allegiances into account. The likes of Iago, Rory C, Carroler 16, Deise Devil and others were very vehement in their criticism of Nani. Rather a lot of United fans were proven very, very wrong. You even expressed your doubts about him.

At least you've learned the name of the club. Manchester United, not Trafford FC.

Also, since when has Lucas proven himself???

keane2097

bamboozling wrote: »

That doesn't take allegiances into account. The likes of Iago, Rory C, Carroler 16, Deise Devil and others were very vehement in their criticism of Nani. Rather a lot of United fans were proven very, very wrong. You even expressed your doubts about him.

Don't worry about rowing back on my account, it was a rhetorical question anyway.

bamboozling

roryc wrote: »

At least you've learned the name of the club. Manchester United, not Trafford FC.

Also, since when has Lucas proven himself???

Probably the game against Chelsea at Anfield where he was man of the match.

Since he has played 90 minutes in every game since 24 October bar one where he was suspended and one other.

Since he became first choice midfielder for Brazil post World cup.

Look I talk a lot of shít but you can't dispute the fact that Lucas has proven himself to be a very useful and good player.

The_Kew_Tour

bamboozling wrote: »

Look I talk a lot of shít but you can't dispute the fact that Lucas has proven himself to be a very useful and good player.

That's the most accurate thing you have ever said on this fourm if not the only accurate statement

J. Marston

Lucas = Poor mans Paul Green.

keane2097

People still questioning Lucas' quality don't watch enough soccer IMO.

super_furry

keane2097 wrote: »

People still questioning Lucas' quality don't watch enough soccer IMO.

It's just lazy thinking from people who get their opinions from tabloids.

homerjay2005

J. Marston wrote: »

Thank God Fergie stuck with Nani.
If I was told 18 months ago he would be the best winger in the league I would have laughed.

i got into a debate about nani 14 months ago in a pub, people were slagging him off. i put a bet on with the barman that nani would prove himself to be world class and would be a future world player of the year canditate. he wrote it down, i signed it and its sitting in a glass over the til.

if he keeps going as he is and united win a few trophies, there is no reason why he wont be a top player and up for the final 3 in the world player of the year.

eZe^

homerjay2005 wrote: »

if he keeps going as he is and united win a few trophies, there is no reason why he wont be a top player and up for the final 3 in the world player of the year.

In how many seasons?

Mitch Connor

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i got into a debate about nani 14 months ago in a pub, people were slagging him off. i put a bet on with the barman that nani would prove himself to be world class and would be a future world player of the year canditate. he wrote it down, i signed it and its sitting in a glass over the til.

if he keeps going as he is and united win a few trophies, there is no reason why he wont be a top player and up for the final 3 in the world player of the year.

While I think he has been great this season, I don't think he will even by up for player of the year in england, never mind WPOTY.

People just don't like him and while he stats show him to be a very effective footballer when you watch him every game he is still the most infuriating player on the pitch in every game. Look at the birmingham game as a prime example. Got himself a goal, well done. Wasted approximately a billion (or 5/6/7) really really good chances by shooting when the pass/cross was clearly the choice to make.

Regardless of the infuriating selfishness to his game at times, I think he will be consistently overlooked for POTY awards because of who he is. People will always see him as a spoiled, petulant, moaning, diving, preening waster. He dives (or makes a meal of things) and moans far too much to get people 'onside' which is required to win trophies.

Of course, CRonaldo has shown that when you are THAT good you will be recognised, but I don't think Nani has it in him to be as dominating as Ronaldo is/was to push him up to the level required.

In saying all that, he would certainly be up there for POTY for United, along with Vidic, and if I had my way he WOULD be considered for PL POTY at least. He has been the best winger in the league this season, and in terms of conventional wingers there are very few to touch him in world football at the moment. imo.

Liam O

eZe^ wrote: »

In how many seasons?

tbh, he should be there or there abouts this season if Bale (as it looks likely) will be in the top 10. Maybe if he has a good KO stages of the CL he'll be more in the reckoning but people always seem to prefer the goalscorers over the people setting them up. Look at how long it took for Xavi to get the recognition he deserves.

eZe^

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Look at the birmingham game as a prime example. Got himself a goal, well done. Wasted approximately a billion (or 5/6/7) really really good chances by shooting when the pass/cross was clearly the choice to make.

That'll come with experience though, he's moving in the right direction, which is the encouraging thing. In 3 seasons time he could potentially fill the void Cristiano left perfectly.

Liam O wrote: »

tbh, he should be there or there abouts this season if Bale (as it looks likely) will be in the top 10. Maybe if he has a good KO stages of the CL he'll be more in the reckoning but people always seem to prefer the goalscorers over the people setting them up. Look at how long it took for Xavi to get the recognition he deserves.

Thing is Xavi has been magnificent since 2003 for Barcelona, he was just not rated that highly outside of hard core La Liga followers. Nani is still closer to raw potential than someone who's a world beater but just not getting any credit imo, but he's come on leaps and bounds, he's an excellent player, but nowhere near the top3 in the world yet.

Liam O

eZe^ wrote: »

That'll come with experience though, he's moving in the right direction, which is the encouraging thing. In 3 seasons time he could potentially fill the void Cristiano left perfectly.






Thing is Xavi has been magnificent since 2003 for Barcelona, he was just not rated that highly outside of hard core La Liga followers. Nani is still closer to raw potential than someone who's a world beater but just not getting any credit imo, but he's come on leaps and bounds, he's an excellent player, but nowhere near the top3 in the world yet.

If United make it to the semis or final of the CL this season and he is the star attacking performer then I don't see why he wouldn't be included in the debate. He has that ability that when both himself and the team are playing rubbish he'll pop up with a great cross or shot and get a goal or assist. I don't mind him being wasteful when I know that he is capable from those positions I can accept him missing 3 in a game and coming up with a goal or assist, same as with Ronaldo.

homerjay2005

Mitch Connor wrote: »

While I think he has been great this season, I don't think he will even by up for player of the year in england, never mind WPOTY.

he will be though alot depends on who is playing well in the next 6 weeks when the votes are cast.

Paully D

keane2097 wrote: »

People still questioning Lucas' quality don't watch enough soccer IMO.

I agree, but these misconceptions are very common.

If I was to tell you that Titus Bramble is a very good defender what would your response be?

Paully D

Mitch Connor wrote: »

While I think he has been great this season, I don't think he will even by up for player of the year in england, never mind WPOTY.

It's all but guaranteed that he will be I reckon.

Nani, Vidic, Nasri, VDV, Berbatov and Tevez will be the main candidates. Vidic or Nasri will probably win it.

Wilshere, Bale, Henderson, Johnson and Hart will be up for the young player of the year award. Bale will win it.

keane2097

Paully D wrote: »

I agree, but these misconceptions are very common.

If I was to tell you that Titus Bramble is a very good defender what would your response be?

I watch soccer, what do you think my response will be?

If you're making the point that an incredible amount of posts here are informed by tabloids rather than actual knowledge or first hand information (ie actually watching games) then I obv agree.

keane2097

Also, lol at Nani being considered for World Player of the Year.

deisedevil

deisedevil wrote: »

That's exactly his problem. I have been saying it since he came to the club, he rarely picks the right option and he's selfish, along with being a bit of a brat, but i wouldn't care about that if he started to play well. At the beginning I was defending him saying he needed time but now I'm starting to wonder if it's just time he needs or if he's ever going to start doing the right thing at the right time.

Just seen my comment from back then.

It's great to say he's finally picking the right options and has become a better team player. Really enjoy watching him play now rather than being constantly frustrated with him.

I have no idea what way I voted but I'm glad he's still with us and still improving.