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GoodEnough, can I join your fan club you seem really cool and I love how witty and entertaining your posts are especially your constant digs and sully and boards.ie in general.
You are just sh*t cool!
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Cabaal sorry I dont have a fan club, (my god a Mod with a sense of humour or is it just the waterford mod that has lemon running through his veins) but maybe they should be a thread for witty sarcasm at folk and organisations and this would not be slanderous if theres not already one started i'll start one off and you can let me know if there is already one
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GoodEnough wrote: »Cabaal sorry I dont have a fan club, (my god a Mod with a sense of humour or is it just the waterford mod that has lemon running through his veins) but maybe they should be a thread for witty sarcasm at folk and organisations and this would not be slanderous if theres not already one started i'll start one off and you can let me know if there is already one
I don't recall seeing you post in the forum, ever before it was even moderated, nor do I recall any of the mods including me ever interacting with you. Yet you have the cheek to take cheap potshots at us and others who don't agree with you?? Highly ignorant tbh.0 -
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Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Join Date:Posts: 21860
However there is a point being made that i think should not be over looked but is. A couple of posters have aired there un happyness at the way the Waterford forum is being moderated and thid should not be ignored. Some have made valid points and given examples.
We were given two examples. One was the more recent thread about bouncers which went along fine until one poster insisted we name and shame the business. I asked this not be done and explained why. The poster insisted I was wrong in asking that, its only the internet, who cares etc. The poster refused, point blank, to listen to what we were asking him to do. He refused to take it to PM or go to Feedback/Help Desk to make a complaint. This goes back to what you said earlier::The mods at times have a diffucult job and majority of posters understand that and there is and will be times when posts will have to be deleted or edited.
We had no choice, to try get back onto the original topic at hand, to request people go back to the point at hand. Its what, as a moderator, we are expected to do. Furthermore, we are here to make sure that the website is safe from legal action and therefore allowing the naming and shaming would mean we failed in what we are expected to do. Those two actions were done by the book. We were fair, gave plenty of room for people to get back on topic and take their complaint elsewhere. They didnt, bans/infractions had to be taken out. Two out of the three users have since held their hands up and agreed they were out of line and are happy with the explanation given. In turn, we understand their concerns and the point they were trying to make but we had to keep the thread on track and away from legal action. So, that situation has been resolved. I dont think any of the mods who took action in that thread were out of line. Often the problem with people is they get heated, angry and see red. The only way, at times, to calm them down is to keep them out of the forum until they calm down otherwise the forum will run riot. One of the 7 day bans have now been reduced to 3 days by the mod who issued them after a discussion was held between the mods and the user in question. A resolution that made everyone happy and all resolved in a few PMs. So thats that example dealt with and I think you will agree that the mods were not heavy handed or wrong in their actions when you see it from our point of view.
The second example was travellers which is the biggest problem the forum has. The users lack of acceptance that you cant say what you want about them or anybody else gives rise to a "Up yours" act towards the mods. Its like spitting in our face really. Its a hot topic because its a big problem in Waterford. This boils down to legal action again and having to listen to Traveller groups on both ends of the stick hassling us for being biased etc. So, by us allowing the conversation but having it balanced is whats allowed. This is the fairest way. We dont and never have said you cant discuss them which people constantly claim we do. Its actually insulting when people come here and make accusations they cant prove or backup. The problem we have is both sides of the stick constantly fight with each other and the threads get out of hand. Often or not, these threads end up getting locked as people cant get along. Again, going back to your first point, its what we have to do as mods. Room is given for the conversation once it remains fair and civil - users refused to listen and the threads ended up being locked. Even with countless warnings given. What exactly do you expect us to do? Leave them create a big mess and make our jobs harder? Leave a big mess which could potentially have traveller groups taking action against Boards? Dont think for one second they wont - they have done before and have sued pubs. And won.One thing that happened to me eg. i started a thrend which was locked soon after, before the thrend was locked a moderator had a go at me for posting slanderous comments which in fact wernt slanderous and were confirmed on local radio a short time after??
You got infracted for this comment:
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57912246&postcount=27
You joined in with other users throwing insults (trying to be intelligent by covering them up, but failing miserably) against travellers. As a forum regular, you will see bans have been issued for that before. In addition, its also very clearly stated in the forum charter that its a no-no. According to the records you were not banned for posting slanderous comments. You were banned for "trolling" on 2008-11-15, 3:31 pm by muffler for 7 days. The ban was in relation to the above post, which I linked, which breaches the forum charter. Refer to your first point. Simply doing our job!No appoligy was offered and i was treated with a week bad for showing my contempt at this moderator, cant remember which one it was. The thing that annoyed me was the mod was able to question my character and my comments and accuse me of lying then locked the thrend, This is a public forum which users can read at any time, I had no option to reply and defend myself and my comments. In my opinion this was not good moderation.
I assume you are referring to something else, because you were not banned for what you are suggesting. By the sounds of things you are referring to this thread you created:
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57866110&postcount=4
You were neither infracted or banned for the above post. muffler closed it because he felt you were implying travellers were connected with the incident which no proof was given. That would be slanderous and would get Boards in trouble if in the event it wasn't true. The thread was re-opened a while later after I discussed the background to the situation with muffler and it was stated in the press. You said you had no chance to defend yourself as the thread was locked - well you have been posting away in that thread fine since it was re-opened. I dont believe you contacted me or anyone else regarding your concerns (unless I have forgotten, which is possible!!) about your character being damaged.
Initially, the moderation of the thread was very quick by closing it. A lot of people were peeved that it was locked so soon and felt the moderation was a bit on the harsh side. I fully understand why it was done but I think we will approach it differently next time based on Feedback from the users over PM.
That does not include the banning/infraction of users for breaking the charter later on in the thread though.There have being also alot of posters displaying there annoyance at the moderators in the Waterford forum so may be there is something to look at.
Also if you look at the last few thrends its mostly mods posting back, defending themselves and they have that right, but it does seem like if you post in here your opinion will be attacked and all the mods will back each other up, maybe a reason for posters not bothering to post.
I would really appreciate, and im repeating myself here, that people contacted us with their concerns/feedback/suggestions. We make mistakes. We always work to improve the forum and make it an enjoyable place. We prefer people instead of insulting us actually approached us over PM and gave Feedback. Those who have done so are fully satisfied with how we responded and acted on the Feedback. I would also prefer instead of people saying there is a problem that they took the time to point out where the problem lies and gave proper examples so we can work on it.
Its like going in with a phone to the shop saying its broken. There going to ask what and your going to have to show them. Rather then saying "Phones broke, its crap, cant use it" say "Phones broken. It wont make phone calls, text messages wont send, the internet is broken. Look, see here for your self - Example 1, 2, 3, etc." Shop will respond thanking you, writing a report and send it away to be fixed.
Same here - you cant claim we are to harsh, power mad, forum being over modded etc without showing us exactly how and allowing for an explanation to be given. After that you can suggest how it could have been done differently and see if its possible to do so.Should also say had a few pm with sully and he seems fairly sound and will listen.
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