Is it time the polish went home

Dragous

Is it time the polish went home. all they've done is taken their wages and spent them at home. they've contributed nothing to the economy. And they are robbing our social welfare scheme. there are a few working with me here in limerick part time and they say that they won't leave now that dell has left as they can work a few hours here and then draw the dole. I don't mean to offend anyone with this thread. has the problem not been that ireland was too relaxed with out migration laws as enforced by the eu

amacachi

:rolleyes:

Amirani

Ireland has signed up to EU law in relation to the free movement of labour. Polish people have every right to remain here if they wish as Irish people are free to live, work and draw dole in other EU countries. Is it not unfair to show our foreign nationals the door when it is our construction companies who encouraged them to come here in the first place due to a labour shortage?

seanybiker

Since a load of em worked in the building trade I would count that as contributing to the economy. Its not their fault we have a government who couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery.
If we send them back why dont we take back all the Irish all over the world who are living in places illegally. While we are at it sure we may aswell take back all the
Descendants of Irish people who legged it during the famine.

eoin5

As far as I can see they are going home. We used to get a fair few Polish lads into the shop but lately its a rarity.

Guillaume

Dragous wrote: »

Is it time the polish went home. all they've done is taken their wages and spent them at home. they've contributed nothing to the economy. And they are robbing our social welfare scheme. there are a few working with me here in limerick part time and they say that they won't leave now that dell has left as they can work a few hours here and then draw the dole. I don't mean to offend anyone with this thread. has the problem not been that ireland was too relaxed with out migration laws as enforced by the eu

Well, first I do not think it is legally possible to send back foreigners to their country. Legally, maybe, Ireland can restrict its frontiers to new immigrants, especially those from the new European members area. France and Germany did, if i reckon, due to their unemployment.
This concern the polish, but it concerns also Lithuanian, Latvian, Hungarian, etc... Those people, yes, truth enough, contributed to the economy by their work force. But not by their spending or desire to integrate the Irish society on a social way. They are here for the money.

Lady Lainy

With the freedom of movement and labour we can't legally boot them out.
From my own personal experience, the Lithuanians and Latvians will spend money here. They will go out, socialise, and integrate into irish society. But it is the polish, who will keep to them selves, form there own little communities. There are a number of polish customers who come into where I work, been coming in for as long as I have been working there, and not a word of english. They are over here yet they wouldnt even learn basic english.

In a perfect world, there should be protection for "failing" countries within the EU. In my eyes Ireland is failing. We were flurishing for years, but now we are on a steep slippery slope. In a perfect world there would be a halt on EU migration to ireland. We can no longer support our selves, how are we supposed to support other countries.

As someone mentioned above, Yes the polish are leaving, Ireland have lost many of our EU grants, which poland are no receiving to help develop infrastructure, schools, industrial estates and kick start busineses. ie....giving grants to encourage companies such as DELL to set up shop over there.

We can not blame the polish or any other nationality for the failings of our govnerment to protect us. Though trust me......I understand the frustration...I had my hours cut recently to less than 10 hours a week because our company closed another store and moved that manager (polish) to our store....which effected everyons hours...

silverharp

Guillaume wrote: »

But not by their spending or desire to integrate the Irish society on a social way. They are here for the money.

if you plan on sending them home can we vacate the aran islands and relocate all the Irish skangers, they are a much more scary group that wont integrate into Irish society in a social way:D

jmayo

Dragous wrote: »

Is it time the polish went home. all they've done is taken their wages and spent them at home. they've contributed nothing to the economy. And they are robbing our social welfare scheme. there are a few working with me here in limerick part time and they say that they won't leave now that dell has left as they can work a few hours here and then draw the dole. I don't mean to offend anyone with this thread. has the problem not been that ireland was too relaxed with out migration laws as enforced by the eu

Change a few terms in your post and low and behold, we could have an Englishman talking about lazy drunken sponging paddies and sending them back to their spuds in Eire :rolleyes:

For someone that doesn't mean to offend anyone you sure do a good job
If every nation adopted this policy of sending those damm foreigners, who contribute nothing, home then how many Irish people would be back here from US, UK, Australia, Germany, etc etc.

Serenity Now!

Dragous wrote: »

Is it time the polish went home. all they've done is taken their wages and spent them at home. they've contributed nothing to the economy. And they are robbing our social welfare scheme. there are a few working with me here in limerick part time and they say that they won't leave now that dell has left as they can work a few hours here and then draw the dole. I don't mean to offend anyone with this thread. has the problem not been that ireland was too relaxed with out migration laws as enforced by the eu

Another pogrom afficiando with a short memory, eh? :rolleyes:

jimmmy

Dragous wrote: »

Is it time the polish went home. all they've done is taken their wages and spent them at home. they've contributed nothing to the economy. And they are robbing our social welfare scheme. there are a few working with me here in limerick part time and they say that they won't leave now that dell has left as they can work a few hours here and then draw the dole. I don't mean to offend anyone with this thread. has the problem not been that ireland was too relaxed with out migration laws as enforced by the eu

You say what many Irish people have said to me in private. The massive influx of them has not beneffited the country. During the boom years they were paid well to build houses for themselves to rent / live in in Ireland, and the Irish people are now left carrying empty houses.

havana

How have they not contributed to our economy. They have worked hard and while i'm sure alot of money has been sent home they didn't survive here on air. And those who are now entitled to social welfare are entitled because they meet the habitual residency conditions which means they have contributed to our society for at least a couple of years

seanybiker

jimmmy wrote: »

You say what many Irish people have said to me in private. The massive influx of them has not beneffited the country. During the boom years they were paid well to build houses for themselves to rent / live in in Ireland, and the Irish people are now left carrying empty houses.

They got paid to build their own houses?? That was nice of us

professore

Dragous wrote: »

Is it time the polish went home. all they've done is taken their wages and spent them at home. they've contributed nothing to the economy. And they are robbing our social welfare scheme. there are a few working with me here in limerick part time and they say that they won't leave now that dell has left as they can work a few hours here and then draw the dole. I don't mean to offend anyone with this thread. has the problem not been that ireland was too relaxed with out migration laws as enforced by the eu

If you want to blame someone for Dell then blame the government - however slapping computers together was never going to stay in Ireland with our costs here, most of which are the governments fault. But I'm sure you still drool when that muppet Bertie comes on TV. His policies are what caused this. Cowen is just left holding the baby and is clueless now that it's puking all over him.

A lot of them have already?

They contributed nothing to the economy here? Sure they slept on the street, ate weeds and grass off the side of the road, convinced their bosses to pay no tax or prsi for them, so they spent zero in this country.

By the way that dole plan is what lots of Irish have been doing for years. The only way to do this is to pull out of the EU - then our currency will collapse completely along with all our banks, the remaining multinationals will pull out, our exports to the EU will be taxed and we will be eating grass and weeds off the side of the road for real and begging the UK for help again.

professore

jimmmy wrote: »

You say what many Irish people have said to me in private. The massive influx of them has not beneffited the country. During the boom years they were paid well to build houses for themselves to rent / live in in Ireland, and the Irish people are now left carrying empty houses.

And who's fault is that ????? Us - we were stupid enough to build the houses. I'm sure when the builders were earning 50K + a year they weren't complaining. This whole "Polish ruined the country" thing is so stupid. WE DID THIS OURSELVES.

ParkRunner

Why just the Polish? Send the English back to England, the Nigerians back to Nigeria, the French back to France etc..

This thread is illogical.

allthedoyles

Dragous wrote: »

Is it time the polish went home. all they've done is taken their wages and spent them at home. they've contributed nothing to the economy.

Do you mean they have been living on fresh air ?

Does it not cost more for them to live here than the average Irish single person who lives at home ?

If the average Polish worker had been working here for the minimum wage , he would have wages of around 400 euro weekly .

How much of this would he send home weekly after living expenses ?

ntlbell

jimmmy wrote: »

You say what many Irish people have said to me in private. The massive influx of them has not beneffited the country. During the boom years they were paid well to build houses for themselves to rent / live in in Ireland, and the Irish people are now left carrying empty houses.

The houses are empty because they're over priced and the rent is set too high.

not because of another nation of people

zod

yeah .. what have the romans ever done for us?

seanybiker

So what if they sent money home. They worked for it they can do what they want with it. Some of the polish women do be fairly hot. Send the men home lol

allthedoyles

seanybiker wrote: »

Some of the polish women do be fairly hot. Send the men home lol

But did anone notice , that they seem to dress the same way , summer and winter

ntlbell

allthedoyles wrote: »

But did anone notice , that they seem to dress the same way , summer and winter

they make everything look hot tho

wolfpawnat

Well if they are not going to employ any Irish, and they too are in the EU and the free movement of labour laws are SUPPOSED to apply to them too, then why are we still employing them? We are being let go from our jobs by the lorry load and the amount of Polish on our welfare system is absolute madness. I'm sorry to sound racist but we need to treat them as they are treating us!

I am currently attending a maternity hospital for ante-natal appointments and there is a social welfare/worker department there too, I went in to ask a question on getting the dads name on the birth cert and the amount of Eastern European women writing out all the benefits they can get is madness and in several cases I heard them say they are having babies here ONLY for our benefits. I'm sorry but I wont get sweet f all when my baby is born and I have paid taxes and I am Irish and these women are using our system rather than go home and work there!

ntlbell

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Well if they are not going to employ any Irish, and they too are in the EU and the free movement of labour laws are SUPPOSED to apply to them too, then why are we still employing them? We are being let go from our jobs by the lorry load and the amount of Polish on our welfare system is absolute madness. I'm sorry to sound racist but we need to treat them as they are treating us!

I am currently attending a maternity hospital for ante-natal appointments and there is a social welfare/worker department there too, I went in to ask a question on getting the dads name on the birth cert and the amount of Eastern European women writing out all the benefits they can get is madness and in several cases I heard them say they are having babies here ONLY for our benefits. I'm sorry but I wont get sweet f all when my baby is born and I have paid taxes and I am Irish and these women are using our system rather than go home and work there!

You will get any benefit you're entitled to if you don't like your free to move to the UK and have your baby on the NHS

wolfpawnat

I am not making this about the benefits, that is off topic, I am merely saying that alot of the Polish will not be heading home because the way Ireland is run economically is better than Poland, if you want to have a child our benefit schemes are better than theirs.

But why not answer the original question in my statement why employ them if they will not eploy us, Even though they are supposed to be obliged to by the EU laws of the free movement of people and labour? Thats what I'm asking and I think it is a fair question.

ntlbell

wolfpawnat wrote: »

I am not making this about the benefits, that is off topic, I am merely saying that alot of the Polish will not be heading home because the way Ireland is run economically is better than Poland, if you want to have a child our benefit schemes are better than theirs.

But why not answer the original question in my statement why employ them if they will not eploy us, Even though they are supposed to be obliged to by the EU laws of the free movement of people and labour? Thats what I'm asking and I think it is a fair question.

I hope your not referring to some article in IT referring to signs on building sites?

They will hire us I know Irish people working in Poland.

any other stupid questions?

gandalf

They paid and pay taxes therefore they contributed to the economy which is a lot more than certain sections of irish society have done.

You either support the freedom of labour within the EU or you don't but Ireland and the Irish have benefitted far more from this relationship than those that have come here.

We are in difficulty now because the Government did not prepare for a downturn properly, they failed and didn't do the job they were charged with. They are supposed to be managing the country for the whole people and not certain select groups but they did. It was obvious a long time ago that things needed to be changed, streamlined and new directions taken. Blaming people who came here to work for the problems we face is lazy and typical of the head in the sand mentality that permeates Irish Society.

gandalf

wolfpawnat wrote: »

I am not making this about the benefits, that is off topic, I am merely saying that alot of the Polish will not be heading home because the way Ireland is run economically is better than Poland, if you want to have a child our benefit schemes are better than theirs.

Our economy is run better. You are kidding right. The way the government has managed things is farcical and continues to be a complete and utter joke.

wolfpawnat

There really is no need to be narky, this is a discussions board, not a ram your ideas down someone elses throat board! I merely stated my opinion as I am legally entitled to do.

You can have an argument with someone without getting childish. No question is stupid unless we were all trained economic and political specialists educated solely in the field of modern Polish-Irish affairs

I'm supposed to be the hormonal one by being 35 weeks pregnant but you should calm down and try to have a conversation without getting petty.
:)

gandalf

This is me calm

galwayrush

The Polish are leaving themselves because there is no future staying here, even a lot of Irish will be leaving this sinking ship soon. It will take a fresh Goverment many years to reverse the rot created by the current shower . No need to suggest anyone should leave, they have no choice in the matter.