Is it time the polish went home

The Corinthian

djpbarry wrote: »

I beg to differ. On another thread, you told me that, due to my ancestry, I was not really Irish, as true Irish people can (apparently) trace all of their ancestors back to prehistory

Pretty damning evidence O'Morris and it was in your own words.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem if you ascribe to racialist theories. I'm not PC by any stretch of the imagination and do not believe that such theories should be discounted, simply because "racism is bad". I simply believe that the vast majority of such theories are based upon dubious pseudo-science and formulated inductively by people who want to arrive at certain conclusions.

However, I do have an issue with people pushing clandestine agendas; telling half truths or outright lies. And that is what you have been doing here and in other threads. Unfortunately for you, your words are now coming back to haunt you as you have been found out.

jmayo

donegalfella wrote: »

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Yes all well and good about the converion, but did she get the uncle's money ?
She should have kept quiet about the hubbie, untill she was guaranteed the money Although it would have been hard if she was pregnant :eek:

Jeeze your family are powerful at converting people, I will have to remember that

O'Morris wrote: »

O'Morris is from the county of the plain of the yews like yourself. I'm of the old stock.

Not that it makes much difference where a man comes from or what his ancestry is. I am of 100% Irish stock though.

As a man of the west myself I don't feel any more Irish than people in any other part of the country.

If anything as a man of the west, you should know all about having to go to foreign lands to try and make a better life for yourself and your family

Camelot wrote: »

I was recently informed that Polish people look very different in the last 60 years due to German occupation! (lots of tall well built Arian looking Poles) since WWII apparently.

I will now have to go down and tell the Polish lads working here that they look a bit German. I am sure it will go down a bomb :eek:
Sure that must be why they learn German in school, so that they can look up their long lost cousins in Munich or Frankfurt :rolleyes:
Although if some one them looklike Germans, shouldn't that mean some of them look Russian ?

And you were doing so well with you scientific arguments up until now

Camelot wrote: »

Unless the Brits suffered from erectile dysfunction en mass )

They did, they did, didn't you know that Cromwell could never manage to get it up, that's why he was so cranky and always spoiling the fun for everyone else Bloody puritans.

Húrin wrote: »

Roscommon is Ireland's most inbred county. It also has Ireland's highest proportion of school leavers who go on to third-level education. Coincidence?

I would definetly agree they are a few inbreds in Roscommon alright
At last this thread is taking a happier line.
Here my idea is leave all the Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Slovaks etc but get rid of the Roscommoners, Galwegians
Nobody would miss them.

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O'Morris

djpbarry and corinthian, you're both very dear chums of mine and I would love to continue with this but please join me in respecting the rules of this forum and keeping this discussion on topic.

And djpbarry I never said you weren't really Irish. I said you weren't typical of most Irish people which is a different thing. It's like saying that a cat born without a tail is not typical of most cats. It doesn't mean that a cat without a tail is not a cat though.

Now, please, enough of this. Back on topic...

donegalfella wrote:

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I'm not opposed to immigration. I'm opposed to mass immigration. I think the level of immigration we've seen over the last five years has been too high and I'm not happy about the fact that our share of the population of our own country has fallen below 90% of the total. I don't want to see that percentage fall any further and that's why I want us to take action to reduce the number of people entering the country. I think most Irish people feel the same way.

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The problem with that is the part about the hard work. Why should we create additional work for ourselves when there's no guarantee that the result of that hard-work will be what you would like it to be? The experience from other countries shows that it's very difficult to try to assimilate immigrants. You just need to look over at England to see the problems they have had and are still having.

In our case the choice is between preserving the status quo and devoting our energies to more worthwhile goals (e.g. tackling poverty, dealing with global warming) or wasting our energies on trying to create something that at best would really be no better than what we have already.

iwo wrote:

Maybe Australians and USA government should do the same for Irish people going there?

They are already doing the same thing for Irish people going there. The Irish need to have a visa and a work permit in order to work in either the US or Australia. I think we should adopt the same policy in this country.

The Corinthian

O'Morris wrote: »

djpbarry and corinthian, you're both very dear chums of mine and I would love to continue with this but please join me in respecting the rules of this forum and keeping this discussion on topic.

O'Morris we're not chums and attempting to be dismissive simply underlines your continued attempts at deception.

And djpbarry I never said you weren't really Irish. I said you weren't typical of most Irish people which is a different thing.

Really? I take it English is not your mother tongue?

Now, please, enough of this. Back on topic...

Sure, when you answer the questions that have been repeatedly asked of you.

ejmaztec

One of the main concerns of the far right in the US is that, with more and more Hispanics, and others, adding to the melting pot, the change in the voting demographic will not be for the better. They see the “old-school WASPS” being pushed more and more into the background.

In Ireland, with new voters from other cultures on the scene, at least this will go somewhere towards reducing the power of those who vote purely for historical reasons.

LordSutch

I was obvously misinformed about Polish lineage ~ I take it back.

O'Morris

The Corinthian wrote:

O'Morris we're not chums

Not yet but I'm working on it.

The Corinthian wrote:

I take it English is not your mother tongue?

You're damn right it isn't. My mother tongue is our nation's mother tongue.

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Dragous wrote: »

Is it time the polish went home. all they've done is taken their wages and spent them at home. they've contributed nothing to the economy. And they are robbing our social welfare scheme.

That means they've paid their PRSI...which means they have contributed to our society and have every right to stay here and "scrounge".

The Corinthian

O'Morris wrote: »

You're damn right it isn't. My mother tongue is our nation's mother tongue.

Practice by answering the questions posed.

FreedomJoe

I really think the time has come that we should offer all the European non nationals in Ireland a package that gives them some funds and sends them on their way. This would more than make up for any PRSI payments they had made. As I understand it various EU countries already offer this.

As for all the other bogus spongers such as the Nigerians and Chinese, if there not working send them back. They are clearly here illegally in the first place.

It can be no coincidence that in the past 3 years the welfare bill has increased x3 and at the same time Ireland receives more that 250% more Nigerian than the Brits.

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nortal

_Nuno_ wrote: »

lol....from what I could make of your post, here's my reply:

No, the forms I can handle and I would expect them in my home country as well, but them assuming that my no claim bonus from my previous insurance company was a fake just because I am a foreigner and making such trouble out of it that I just had to give it up, or getting a credit limit on a credit card that was 25% of what an Irish person applying for the first credit card gets, that I do consider discrimination.

But like I said, the Irish aren't that racist, but there are ignorant pricks everywhere, here's no exception.

Annoying I’d agree, inconvenient absolutely – I still don’t think it is racism. The person you were speaking to works in bank/insurance company small cogs in a wheel, unfortunately for you and me, they don’t make the decision. The exact same thing happened to me on both areas, I still and will never believe that is racism, it is business.

Unfortunately your last comment says more about you than my post.

I am leaving Ireland on Monday for good – sold my house last year and got rid of my car yesterday. Ireland doesn’t know what racism is tried living in the paranoid US or fundamentalist regimes like Saudi and Yemen. In Ireland I could say what I like, read what I like, eat, drink, date, who I like with out any interference. Irish are easy going easy to get along with, and like all nationalities proud of their culture.

I have got more from Ireland in 7 years than I gave, made good friends. I have NEVER had any problems with Irish people and I stand out more than most, as being a non national. It really annoys and angers me to see Irish people branded racists especially by Irish people when most people may never have experienced real racism here or aboard.

I strongly believe all views should be listen to, in any negotiation/mediation if you understand where the opposite view is coming from then hopefully you can meet somewhere in the middle, ignore the opposite view, call people racist, narrow minded, uneducated or too liberal, soft touch and fundamentalist stand points are taken for both sides, in the middle are non nationals.

Ignore peoples concerns (even if you don’t understand them) and racism will breed like a disease and once it arrives there is NO GOING BACK. Given the choice I would prefer to discuss both sides like an educated adult in a first world country. Which includes asking/listening to topics you may not agree with?

There is no racism in Ireland, try Sweden where there are riots against Muslim immigrants and Swedish national who are Muslim. Go to France where they think it doesn’t exist yet immigrant workers find it impossible to get work, that doesn’t happen here. The Irish are not racist.

In any country I have lived (and that several) I always found out as much as possible about that country before I arrived – even did an Irish language course for a while when I got settled here, and this approach has always benefited me in integration and forming life long friendships in several countries. I think integration is a too way street, more so from the immigrant who arrives here.

If this topic is not disused rationally by both sides, then racism is on the way, and then you will see what real racism is like – posters should remember that it takes two to tango.

Btw my house party on Saturday will include 9 Irish fiends my Indian and polish neighbours and many Europeans.

Good Luck it was fun living here

Slain

FreedomJoe

donegalfella wrote: »

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To claim Asylum, you have to claim Asylum in the first EU nation you arrive in.

Im pretty sure Ireland isnt the first safe EU nation to Nigeria!

Mr.Micro

FreedomJoe wrote: »

I really think the time has come that we should offer all the European non nationals in Ireland a package that gives them some funds and sends them on their way. This would more than make up for any PRSI payments they had made. As I understand it various EU countries already offer this.

As for all the other bogus spongers such as the Nigerians and Chinese, if there not working send them back. They are clearly here illegally in the first place.

It can be no coincidence that in the past 3 years the welfare bill has increased x3 and at the same time Ireland receives more that 250% more Nigerian than the Brits.

So by assumption if such a policy were adopted the Irish should never seek employment in other countries no matter if there were no jobs here, as we would have no right or reason to expect others to give us employment, and we should all stay and expect the state to pay dole to all the unemployed?

Its a good thing that the UK and US were never like that in our bad times in the past. Ireland up until very recently was supported by money sent from abroad. We are in the EU and we toe the line. We have taken since the seventies now we give and should do graciously and humanely.

Mena

FreedomJoe wrote: »

To claim Asylum, you have to claim Asylum in the first EU nation you arrive in.

Im pretty sure Ireland isnt the first safe EU nation to Nigeria!

1. I suggest you read up about the "Dublin Regulation". This sticky may help.

2. Simply because they are Nigerian or Chinese they are asylum seekers? I don't follow...

FreedomJoe

Mr.Micro wrote: »

So by assumption if such a policy were adopted the Irish should never seek employment in other countries no matter if there were no jobs here, as we would have no right or reason to expect others to give us employment, and we should all stay and expect the state to pay dole to all the unemployed?

Its a good thing that the UK and US were never like that in our bad times in the past. Ireland up until very recently was supported by money sent from abroad. We are in the EU and we toe the line. We have taken since the seventies now we give and should do graciously and humanely.

But the US today does operate a green card scheme.

Not to mention that only Ireland, Britain and Sweden opened up their employment markets to nations like Poland.

I don't think Ireland would have had half the immigration from Europe had the rest opened up their markets, and to be honest it was unfair that 2 small nations and 1 larger nation had to take the full brunt of what was going to be an inevitable rush of economic migrants looking for a better life.

Now times are hard for Ireland we should either be seeking funds from the EU for being one of the only 3 or send them home with some sort of package to make up for the PRSI payments they paid.

FreedomJoe

Mena wrote: »

1. I suggest you read up about the "Dublin Regulation". This sticky may help.

2. Simply because they are Nigerian or Chinese they are asylum seekers? I don't follow...

So why would someone seeking Asylum travel through nations such as France, Britain, Germany, Spain, etc just to come to Ireland?

What are we offering that they are not?

And does Dublin regulation override EU law?

As far as I am aware EU law states that you must seek Asylum in the first EU nation arrived at.

Eitherway its in my opinion that we should have any Nigerians coming here to claim asylum, without first at least trying to claim Asylum in the first country they arrived at. If they are then deemed to need asylum we then of course like any other EU nation take our fair share of people granted asylum.

And what business do Nigerians or Chinese have in Ireland when as far as im aware we do not have any agreements with them for freedom of movement?

Dob74

donegalfella wrote: »

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Its illegal for anyone from outside the EU to work in ireland without a work permit.

Mr.Micro

Joe I do'nt think it would make any difference whether these people you refer to go or stay. If there are no jobs there are no jobs. Its mismanagement on a global scale that has caused this and the amount of debt that this country has and others like it is phenomenal.

Mena

FreedomJoe wrote: »

So why would someone seeking Asylum travel through nations such as France, Britain, Germany, Spain, etc just to come to Ireland?

What are we offering that they are not?

And does Dublin regulation override EU law?

As far as I am aware EU law states that you must seek Asylum in the first EU nation arrived at.

Eitherway its in my opinion that we should have any Nigerians coming here to claim asylum, without first at least trying to claim Asylum in the first country they arrived at. If they are then deemed to need asylum we then of course like any other EU nation take our fair share of people granted asylum.

And what business do Nigerians or Chinese have in Ireland when as far as im aware we do not have any agreements with them for freedom of movement?

Simply put, you're not deemed to have entered a country until you pass through immigration. You can't apply for asylum until you pass through immigration. Hence when they pass through immigration at Dublin Airport and state that they will be seeking asylum, Ireland is the first country they have arrived at.

With regards to what business Nigerians and Chinese have here with a freedom of movement agreement, I would say the same business anyone has who has been offered a position in the country by an employer who has secured a work permit for the individual.

That's how I got here, head hunted from South Africa and shipped over with a work permit originally.

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Mena

Dob74 wrote: »

Its illegal for anyone from outside the EU to work in ireland without a work permit.

Yes it is. But how is it you know the individual does not actually have a work permit? Despite the DoJ's best efforts, they not yet managed to get them legally tattooed onto individuals foreheads.

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djpbarry

nortal wrote: »

There is no racism in Ireland...

You've obviously not been paying much attention to this thread.

Take it from someone who has experienced it first hand; racism is very much alive and well in Ireland.

O'Morris

djpbarry wrote:

Take it from someone who has experienced it first hand; racism is very much alive and well in Ireland.

For proof of that you just need to take a look at the front-cover of today's Irish Times.

Shocking altogether!

Dob74

donegalfella wrote: »

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Most people claiming refugee status are economic immigrants and are more or less taking the piss out of the law. I dont blame them, if I could go to nigeria and get a free house and about 10 times my daily wage i would do it to. Plenty of solitors, barristers and ff cronies making a fortune from the courts and Renting accomadition to the state. The taxpayer as usual gets screwed.

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