Is it time the polish went home

FreedomJoe

I'm guessing the vast amount of posters on this thread aren't Irish, so their opinions are clearly bias.

It would be more realistic to actually state what nationality you are in posts like this to truly understand the Irish psych on issues such as this.

After All its very well someone from Poland saying they don't think they should go home, but if a majority of people in that country don't want you here then you cant really appreciate or begin to understand their point of view.

The simple facts are, a growing number of Irish people are turning away from a positive attitude on immigration, the question is are they yet in a majority?

djpbarry

Geogregor wrote: »

What is the procedure to get Irish citizenship?

Why would you want to become an Irish citizen? You’re already an EU citizen, are you not?

The Corinthian

FreedomJoe wrote: »

I'm guessing the vast amount of posters on this thread aren't Irish, so their opinions are clearly bias.

How do you define Irish? Citizenship? If so there are quite a few people in the World who have never set foot in Ireland who would have this. Would you include those with more than one nationality? How about those who have lived in Ireland longer than you but don't hold Irish citizenship?

And even if we could agree upon this, the people in this discussion are not exactly representative of the electorate, unless you believe that most people in Ireland are in their twenties, male and work in IT.

And I'm Irish, btw. Although I can only trace some of my ancestors to a potato farm in Ballygospittlebackwards, circa 6,000 B.C. So I don't know if that would qualify in the eyes of some.

djpbarry

FreedomJoe wrote: »

After All its very well someone from Poland saying they don't think they should go home, but if a majority of people in that country don't want you here then you cant really appreciate or begin to understand their point of view.

If a majority of people in this country do not want immigrants in this country (which I seriously doubt is true), then the only solution is to secede from the EU. Somehow, I doubt you will find the majority supporting such a move.

FreedomJoe wrote: »

The simple facts are, a growing number of Irish people are turning away from a positive attitude on immigration…

That’s not a fact, that’s just your opinion. Somehow I doubt you ever had a “positive attitude” toward immigration.

O'Morris

Geogregor wrote:

How about Poles who like Ireland and think about staying there in long term? How about their kids? Will you treat them as "ethnicly" Irish?

It's hard to say in advance how it will turn out. They might go the way of the Normans or they might go the way of the orangemen. I don't think they will become ethnically Irish because I don't think they themselves will identify with the indigenous Irish ethnic group. They will be Irish nationals but ethnically I think they will identify more with their Polish ancestors than they will with the ancestors of the native Irish. Ethnicity is 90% about history and I think it must be very difficult for someone who doesn't have any ancestors in this country to really value this country's heritage.

That doesn't mean that they should be treated as being any less Irish though. All Irish citizens should be treated equally regardless of where their ancestors came from.

Geogregor wrote:

Would you let your daughter to marry one of them?

If she's an adult she can marry whoever she wants.

Geogregor wrote:

Or just 'cose his surname is Lesniewski or something ad he like to eat bigos from time to time you will close your daughter in the closet?

Not at all. It matters feck all to me what a man's surname is or where his ancestors came from. I treat every man as an individual.

Geogregor wrote:

You can adopt that policy towards non-EU nationals. Freedom of movement of goods and people are one of the basic laws of EU.

I don't see the free movement of people having much of a future in Europe. The Germans and Austrians might be genuinely committed to the ideal of European unity but I think they're far more committed to preventing a return to the good old days of uncle Adolf. A massive increase in immigration of the kind that Ireland has experienced over the last few years would be almost certain to lead to an upsurge in support for far-right groups, particularly in the German speaking countries.

Geogregor wrote:

True that only Ireland, UK and Sweden open their labour markets immediately. Other countries negotiated 2 or 5 years period before implementing all the freedoms towards new EU countries. Then was time to rise opposition to immigration.

People did raise opposition to immigration at the time but they were shouted down and accused of scare-mongering. We were assured that we had nothing to worry about, that we should only expect a few thousand people at most.

Geogregor wrote:

Now it is like talking about history. There is not much you can do legally.

I'm not convinced that that is the case. At the time of the Nice Treaty referendum the EU minister Dick Roche suggested that if the scaremongers were proved right that we would have the ability under existing EU law to have the EU commission grant us a temporary suspension to the free movement of people from the east.

Geogregor wrote:

You can of course encourage people to go back, fund tickets for some of them but you can't force anyone.

I don't want us to force anyone to leave.

Geogregor wrote:

As far as I know all countries except Germany and Austria opened their labour markets for Poles by now.

Austria's decision has a lot to do with domestic politics. The far-right has a lot of support in Autria and a massive increase in immigration following the opening of their labour market would lead to a corresponding increase in support for right-wing anti-immigration parties.

Geogregor wrote:

Don't worry about mass migration. No one is coming

As a great American president once said:

"fool me one once shame on you....fool me twice...

...an Irishman can't get fooled twice!"

Geogregor wrote:

Now people are loosing jobs and those who came to Ireland just for money will come back home.

If I was in their position I wouldn't go back. Regardless of how many jobs there are for you in this country, you still have as much chance of getting your hands on one of them as any other unemployed has. The average wage in this country is still much higher than it is in the Eastern European countries and so the incentive to stay and wait for a job here is at least as strong as the incentive for people to return home. It's also a strong incentive for Poles to look for jobs in this country rather than to stay at home.

Geogregor wrote:

By the way do you want to kick Brits out as well? How about Spanish or Italians?

No, I don't want to kick out the Brits or the Spanish or the Italians. I don't want to kick out the Poles or the Lithuanians or people from any other country either. As I've said several times already, I want us to focus on reducing the number of people entering the country, not on forcing the people here already to leave. We're in a recession and I don't we can create enough new jobs for all the people entering the country along with all of the people already out of work in this country.

O'Morris

nortal wrote:

Annoying I’d agree, inconvenient absolutely – I still don’t think it is racism. The person you were speaking to works in bank/insurance company small cogs in a wheel, unfortunately for you and me, they don’t make the decision. The exact same thing happened to me on both areas, I still and will never believe that is racism, it is business.

Unfortunately your last comment says more about you than my post.

I am leaving Ireland on Monday for good – sold my house last year and got rid of my car yesterday. Ireland doesn’t know what racism is tried living in the paranoid US or fundamentalist regimes like Saudi and Yemen. In Ireland I could say what I like, read what I like, eat, drink, date, who I like with out any interference. Irish are easy going easy to get along with, and like all nationalities proud of their culture.

I have got more from Ireland in 7 years than I gave, made good friends. I have NEVER had any problems with Irish people and I stand out more than most, as being a non national. It really annoys and angers me to see Irish people branded racists especially by Irish people when most people may never have experienced real racism here or aboard.

I strongly believe all views should be listen to, in any negotiation/mediation if you understand where the opposite view is coming from then hopefully you can meet somewhere in the middle, ignore the opposite view, call people racist, narrow minded, uneducated or too liberal, soft touch and fundamentalist stand points are taken for both sides, in the middle are non nationals.

Ignore peoples concerns (even if you don’t understand them) and racism will breed like a disease and once it arrives there is NO GOING BACK. Given the choice I would prefer to discuss both sides like an educated adult in a first world country. Which includes asking/listening to topics you may not agree with?

There is no racism in Ireland, try Sweden where there are riots against Muslim immigrants and Swedish national who are Muslim. Go to France where they think it doesn’t exist yet immigrant workers find it impossible to get work, that doesn’t happen here. The Irish are not racist.

In any country I have lived (and that several) I always found out as much as possible about that country before I arrived – even did an Irish language course for a while when I got settled here, and this approach has always benefited me in integration and forming life long friendships in several countries. I think integration is a too way street, more so from the immigrant who arrives here.

If this topic is not disused rationally by both sides, then racism is on the way, and then you will see what real racism is like – posters should remember that it takes two to tango.

Btw my house party on Saturday will include 9 Irish fiends my Indian and polish neighbours and many Europeans.

Good Luck it was fun living here

Now this is the kind of immigration that I don't have a problem with. People moving to Ireland for a few years and leaving with good memories of their stay here.

Good luck nortal and thank you for those kind words. I'm glad that you have a positive opinion of this country and of its people and I hope that your experience continues to be shared by other immigrants. I've no doubt that most other immigrants in this country feel the same way as you but unfortunately we don't often hear their opinions because people are usually less likely to work up the energy to say positive things than they are to say negative things.

If only we could have more people like you in this country and fewer people like that German who posted a page or two back.

Geogregor

FreedomJoe wrote: »

I'm guessing the vast amount of posters on this thread aren't Irish, so their opinions are clearly bias.

It would be more realistic to actually state what nationality you are in posts like this to truly understand the Irish psych on issues such as this.

Well, I'm not Irish, I don't even live in Ireland but It's clearly visible in my avatar.
But how the hell did you worked out that others are not Irish? Do you have some sort of superpowers and you can see who people on this forum are?
Something like professor Xavier from X-Man?

After All its very well someone from Poland saying they don't think they should go home, but if a majority of people in that country don't want you here then you cant really appreciate or begin to understand their point of view.

How you know it is majority? Are you majority? Do you have any research to support your opinion?
Even if some public opinion polls say that people want less immigration it doesn't mean they automatic want to send anyone who is already in the country home.
I understand many people want to manage immigration. But believe me that we Poles are one of smaller problem you'll be facing in few years time. Already more of Poles are going back home than come to Ireland.
You can't say the same about poor immigrants from outside Europe. Once someone from Nigeria or Somalia makes it to Ireland they will stay.
Nothing wrong with that for me but for people like you who want somehow "clean Irish society" this will be problem.
We Poles are easy target also here in UK.
We are white and European so bashing us is not seen as racist. All the trash papers like The Sun or Daly Mail have plenty of articles about these awful Poles. If they write something similar about people from India, Pakistan or Africa they would be labelled racist.
But hey, here we are, an easy target waiting.

jimmmy

Geogregor wrote: »

I live few years in London and I feel Londoner. I also feel Polish. What wrong with that? Does any Brit from let say Newcastle have right decide to send me back home simply 'cose I wasn't born in UK?

There are less British people in London than foreigners. How would you like it if your cities in Poland were taken over by foreigners, not all of whom would integrate in to the spiritual and cultural fabric of society ? See how much London has changed in the lifetime of its senior citizens.

Geogregor

O'Morris wrote: »

It's hard to say in advance how it will turn out. They might go the way of the Normans or they might go the way of the orangemen. I don't think they will become ethnically Irish because I don't think they themselves will identify with the indigenous Irish ethnic group. They will be Irish nationals but ethnically I think they will identify more with their Polish ancestors than they will with the ancestors of the native Irish. Ethnicity is 90% about history and I think it must be very difficult for someone who doesn't have any ancestors in this country to really value this country's heritage.

You said it is hard to predict but in the same time you make assumption that they will identify more with Polish ancestors than wit Ireland.
It might be true about the first generation but not really with the second. Polish immigrants in USA are often more “american” than Americans. Sometimes it can even get ludicrous.
You are right, ethnicity is 90% about history, especially about personal history. If someone was born, and educated in some country, have local friend and so on, all his personal history is in this country.
He might feel also pride of have ancestors from different country but it usually just add a bit of colour to his life and that's it. I know many people here in London born from immigrant parents and they all feel British. They are pride of their parents origin but they are also pride to be British.
I don't see problem here.


Growing number of people are probably turning against capitalism as well as immigration. So what do you do? Introduce socialism and central planning? I doesn't work believe me we tried it for 50 years
During difficult economic times people feel fear. Often irrational. It is up to intelligent people to manage this fear and not let it drive their lives. Otherwise, as history proves, all the bad things might happen.

Once again. There is nothing Ireland can do legally to limit immigrants from within EU.
But if you think that Poles should go home (like person who started this thread) don't worry. Many are already going back. Just don't force those few who want to stay. It might be that they just love their new country. There might be few of them but such people are there.

I know Italian girl who feel more Irish than any Irish person I ever met. She tries to learn Gaelic in her free time, read about history and culture of Ireland and knows more about that than many native (or genetic as some say) Irish. Would you deny her right to settle in Ireland if she want to do so it in few years? Why?
I live few years in London and I feel Londoner. I also feel Polish. What wrong with that? Does any Brit from let say Newcastle have right decide to send me back home simply 'cose I wasn't born in UK?

If she's an adult she can marry whoever she wants.

I'm glad te hear that. Is she pretty?

Not at all. It matters feck all to me what a man's surname is or where his ancestors came from. I treat every man as an individual.

Even if they dillute Irish blod pool?

I don't see the free movement of people having much of a future in Europe. The Germans and Austrians might be genuinely committed to the ideal of European unity but I think they're far more committed to preventing a return to the good old days of uncle Adolf. A massive increase in immigration of the kind that Ireland has experienced over the last few years would be almost certain to lead to an upsurge in support for far-right groups, particularly in the German speaking countries.

Biggest problem i Germany and Austria are immigrants from outside Europe, they asimilate much slower than Europeans.
But restriction they introduced against us were due to geographical proximity. They feared millions of people crossing border. Driving 1-2 hours to work without actually living in the country. It would be unfair.
There was no such risk in Ireland or UK.

I'm not convinced that that is the case. At the time of the Nice Treaty referendum the EU minister Dick Roche suggested that if the scaremongers were proved right that we would have the ability under existing EU law to have the EU commission grant us a temporary suspension to the free movement of people from the east.

I don't know much about this specyfic regulation but I think it would requaired really special things happening not just recession.

Austria's decision has a lot to do with domestic politics. The far-right has a lot of support in Autria and a massive increase in immigration following the opening of their labour market would lead to a corresponding increase in support for right-wing anti-immigration parties.

I think it had more to do with proximity to Hungary, Czech Rapublic and especially Slovakia (the poorest contry of those 3). They all had big population centers very close to Austria borders.
By the way, do you wish to have Irish equivalent of Haider?

As a great American president once said:

"fool me one once shame on you....fool me twice...

...an Irishman can't get fooled twice!"

Mass immigration from Poland is over. Get over it.
If you fighting mass immigration from Poland I have to congratulate choosing the right battleground. You will win. Yo won already in fact.

If I was in their position I wouldn't go back. Regardless of how many jobs there are for you in this country, you still have as much chance of getting your hands on one of them as any other unemployed has. The average wage in this country is still much higher than it is in the Eastern European countries and so the incentive to stay and wait for a job here is at least as strong as the incentive for people to return home. It's also a strong incentive for Poles to look for jobs in this country rather than to stay at home.

It's clear you are not in their position.
Unemployment in many polish regions is now lower than in Ireland. Wages are higher in Ireland of course but cost of living is much lower in Poland. You don't miss family, you don't get strange look from some locals when you speak Polish and so on. There is a lot of incentives to go back right now. As foreigner you always last in the lane for job. There wasn't problem to find jobs in boom times but now I'm sure employers having choice will go for Irish people first. They speak better language, there are no cultural problems and so on.

No, I don't want to kick out the Brits or the Spanish or the Italians. I don't want to kick out the Poles or the Lithuanians or people from any other country either. As I've said several times already, I want us to focus on reducing the number of people entering the country, not on forcing the people here already to leave. We're in a recession and I don't we can create enough new jobs for all the people entering the country along with all of the people already out of work in this country.

As I said you are fighting winning battle. Immigrant are not stupid, they don't behave like cattle. They don't go to countries where they can't find jobs. So don't worry. Ireland is facing net emigration in coming months if not years.

djpbarry

jimmmy wrote: »

There are less British people in London than foreigners.

As someone who spends a good deal of time in London, I find that extremely hard to believe.

djpbarry

O'Morris wrote: »

They will be Irish nationals but ethnically I think they will identify more with their Polish ancestors than they will with the ancestors of the native Irish.

That’s ridiculous. Look at the US for example; you think “Irish-Americans” consider themselves more Irish than American? I don’t think so.

O'Morris wrote: »

Regardless of how many jobs there are for you in this country, you still have as much chance of getting your hands on one of them as any other unemployed has.

Sure, if you assume that every single unemployed person in this country has exactly the same set of qualifications, exactly the same skills, exactly the same employment history, etc.

O'Morris wrote: »

The average wage in this country is still much higher than it is in the Eastern European countries and so the incentive to stay and wait for a job here is at least as strong as the incentive for people to return home. It's also a strong incentive for Poles to look for jobs in this country rather than to stay at home.

Are you saying that a typical unemployed person in Ireland has a higher standard of living than a typical employed person in Poland?

O'Morris wrote: »

As I've said several times already, I want us to focus on reducing the number of people entering the country, not on forcing the people here already to leave.

As has been pointed out to you several times already on various threads, the number of people migrating to this country has dropped off sharply. In their Quarterly Economic Commentary of October 2008, the ESRI predicted net emigration of 30,000 for 2009 (of which inward migration of 25,000). This figure was revised upwards to 50,000 last month (and I imagine the figure for inward migration has been revised downwards). Wasting time and money (that we can’t afford) regulating migration, when it is quite clearly regulating itself, seems totally pointless.

jdivision

johndaman66 wrote: »

Please note I am not taking issue with Polls or Eastern Europeans as a people.

The irony

zap27 wrote: »

so if they are employed for 2 years or more they could get irish benefits technically for the rest of their life if they so choose.? does any other eu country have the same policy? seems madness to me

Yes, all of them do. You might be too young to remember Irish people moving to Germany, the Netherlands, the UK and Denmark to get better benefits?

stepbar

I've heard that Poland is awash with work at the moment. However I've also heard that recruitment companies are stating that "No Irish need apply". Make what you want of that one.

sceptre

stepbar wrote: »

However I've also heard that recruitment companies are stating that "No Irish need apply". Make what you want of that one.

No-one's actually been able to substantiate that story (and actually the story was about building sites rather than recruitment agencies so it looks like an urban myth growing legs and arms, before long the tall tale will have stretched to Irish people not getting served in shops over there and shamrocks being banned)

Permabear

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Geogregor

stepbar wrote: »

I've heard that Poland is awash with work at the moment. However I've also heard that recruitment companies are stating that "No Irish need apply". Make what you want of that one.

Sometimes I'm genuinely puzzled where the hell people find such stories.
It sounds like one of these X-Files stories and conspiracy theories. It doesn't matter it is totally stupid and doesn't make any sense, it just keeps growing. More you tell people it is rubbish, more they are convinced it is true.
I have never ever seen such message on any construction site or agency window in Poland. I follow quite a lot of infrastructure forums and I know there are foreigners working on construction sites in Poland. And I'm not talking about Ukrainians which we have hundreds of thousands on our construction sites. I'm talking about Portuguese, Spanish or even Germans. Most of them are specialists and managers but not all.
There are even more foreigners in other jobs, especially among highly skilled specialists.
You just have to be brave to move to different country.
I have to admit it is much easier for Pole to find job in Ireland 'cose we usually speak English (I mean most of young people) than for Irish person to find job in Poland 'cose you mostly don't speak Polish.
It matters especially in all the service jobs.
Well, such a life. But hey, I know foreigners who speak Polish So it is not impossible.
One good carrier option is to be become native speaker in language school. Then you don't have to speak Polish.
You are also welcome to pick vegetables and fruits with all the Ukrainians. Possibilities are endless.

Volthar

Geogregor wrote: »

Well, such a life. But hey, I know foreigners who speak Polish So it is not impossible.
One good carrier option is to be become native speaker in language school. Then you don't have to speak Polish.
You are also welcome to pick vegetables and fruits with all the Ukrainians. Possibilities are endless.

Good friend of mine (he is Irish) moved to Poland to teach English. He is also working as a waiter and his basic Polish - pivo, vodka - is good enough to take orders. On another note there are many Brits and Irish working in Krakow and they already have their own news paper and few mentioning Irish Pubs

Padraig Mor

Geogregor wrote: »

Sometimes I'm genuinely puzzled where the hell people find such stories.
It sounds like one of these X-Files stories and conspiracy theories. It doesn't matter it is totally stupid and doesn't make any sense, it just keeps growing. More you tell people it is rubbish, more they are convinced it is true.
I have never ever seen such message on any construction site or agency window in Poland. I follow quite a lot of infrastructure forums and I know there are foreigners working on construction sites in Poland. And I'm not talking about Ukrainians which we have hundreds of thousands on our construction sites. I'm talking about Portuguese, Spanish or even Germans. Most of them are specialists and managers but not all.
There are even more foreigners in other jobs, especially among highly skilled specialists.
You just have to be brave to move to different country.
I have to admit it is much easier for Pole to find job in Ireland 'cose we usually speak English (I mean most of young people) than for Irish person to find job in Poland 'cose you mostly don't speak Polish.
It matters especially in all the service jobs.
Well, such a life. But hey, I know foreigners who speak Polish So it is not impossible.
One good carrier option is to be become native speaker in language school. Then you don't have to speak Polish.
You are also welcome to pick vegetables and fruits with all the Ukrainians. Possibilities are endless.

The 'No Irish need apply' story has already been shown to be a pile of crap. Unfortunately people will believe what they want to....

Padraig Mor

FreedomJoe wrote: »

The simple facts are, a growing number of Irish people are turning away from a positive attitude on immigration, the question is are they yet in a majority?

The vast majority of Poles came here work their arses off. If they are now entitled to benefits it's because they have contributed to the Irish economy through taxes etc. This is in direct contrast to the huge numbers of homegrown parasites who have never done an honest day's work in their life, preferring to sponge off the rest of us. TBH I'd rather they were kicked out of the country than the Polish.

_Nuno_

stepbar wrote: »

I've heard that Poland is awash with work at the moment. However I've also heard that recruitment companies are stating that "No Irish need apply". Make what you want of that one.

We make of that what it actually is, a load of BS.

If you want to present some evidence of that and prove me wrong, please do. No one has so far.

jmayo

djpbarry wrote: »

As someone who spends a good deal of time in London, I find that extremely hard to believe.

I think he may mean, you know true British people i.e. white ones :rolleyes:

stepbar wrote: »

I've heard that Poland is awash with work at the moment. However I've also heard that recruitment companies are stating that "No Irish need apply". Make what you want of that one.

Don't you mean it should read "No Irish BANKERS need apply" and who would blame them :rolleyes:

BTW if you could substantiate your claim we would all be interested :rolleyes:

Serenity Now!

Geogregor wrote: »

Sometimes I'm genuinely puzzled where the hell people find such stories

Unfortunately some people just will not see otherwise as it suits their own narrow-minded agenda not to actually think twice as to whether planted lies are true or not.

drakshug

Quite frankly, after reading through this whole thread it is all your own fault.
The Irish have become lazy, used to easy money.
Show me any ****e job where there was an Irish person working? Nope, better off on the social.
I spent 12 years in the Baltics (where they give Scots and Irish jobs) before coming here. Within a few weeks I'd got a job, within a year promotion and I'm in charge of Native Irish who sit on their arse avoiding work and dreaming of Friday. They don't seem to realise it is back to the eighties time.
They all slag off the Poles, Lithuanians and Latvians who work their butts off and they enjoy having a good shot at UK citizens (yup there are more of us than Poles) but it is the immigrants who are climbing up and doing the job and actually telling the Irish what to do at work because a hard working nation has become soft.
And, The Irish did exactly the same wherever they emigrated and took the same ****.
Get off your arses and actually do the bloody work instead of the tiger wannabe ****e. And don't start blaming the immigrants for the problems you made yourselves.
The Poles didn't vote in your Government. You did that.

AlekSmart

Quite frankly, after reading through this whole thread it is all your own fault.
The Irish have become lazy, used to easy money.
Show me any ****e job where there was an Irish person working? Nope, better off on the social.
I spent 12 years in the Baltics (where they give Scots and Irish jobs) before coming here. Within a few weeks I'd got a job, within a year promotion and I'm in charge of Native Irish who sit on their arse avoiding work and dreaming of Friday. They don't seem to realise it is back to the eighties time.
They all slag off the Poles, Lithuanians and Latvians who work their butts off and they enjoy having a good shot at UK citizens (yup there are more of us than Poles) but it is the immigrants who are climbing up and doing the job and actually telling the Irish what to do at work because a hard working nation has become soft.
And, The Irish did exactly the same wherever they emigrated and took the same ****.
Get off your arses and actually do the bloody work instead of the tiger wannabe ****e. And don't start blaming the immigrants for the problems you made yourselves.
The Poles didn't vote in your Government. You did that.

Buy that man a drink....100% Pure TRUE.
Have you considered a career in Irish Politics..??

chikuu

drakshug wrote: »

Quite frankly, after reading through this whole thread it is all your own fault.
The Irish have become lazy, used to easy money.
Show me any ****e job where there was an Irish person working? Nope, better off on the social.
I spent 12 years in the Baltics (where they give Scots and Irish jobs) before coming here. Within a few weeks I'd got a job, within a year promotion and I'm in charge of Native Irish who sit on their arse avoiding work and dreaming of Friday. They don't seem to realise it is back to the eighties time.
They all slag off the Poles, Lithuanians and Latvians who work their butts off and they enjoy having a good shot at UK citizens (yup there are more of us than Poles) but it is the immigrants who are climbing up and doing the job and actually telling the Irish what to do at work because a hard working nation has become soft.
And, The Irish did exactly the same wherever they emigrated and took the same ****.
Get off your arses and actually do the bloody work instead of the tiger wannabe ****e. And don't start blaming the immigrants for the problems you made yourselves.
The Poles didn't vote in your Government. You did that.

thats exactly what the irish have become.. u summed it brilliantly.

Well said and 100% agree.

Wish you could take Cowen's job!

Staying with the topic, The Polish are welcome here and I hope that the Irish will be welcome in Poland or wherever workers will go to.

Serenity Now!

Well said.

The Polish and the Irish actually have at least ONE thing in common:

Absolutely woeful drivers lol

drakshug

AlekSmart wrote: »

Buy that man a drink....100% Pure TRUE.
Have you considered a career in Irish Politics..??

I'll take the drink but I've too much self respect to become a TD.
Maybe ALL the parties in the Dail should realise they've got to work together to get out of this mess. The whole place is going to pot.
The politicians just want to score points off each other rather than find a solution - everyone wants their turn at the trough no matter how empty it is.
And the rest? They are all casting about for scapegoats.
Think. What did you do with your money over the past ten years, where did your SSIAs go? Why the hell did you think some crappy semi was worth half a million? I left school mid eighties. Thatcherism showed me that a job has to be kept and worked for and that tomorrow isn't secure. A lot of people still have to wake up and smell the coffee and it isn't the fault of immigrants.

Serenity Now!

drakshug wrote: »

Thatcherism showed me that a job has to be kept and worked for and that tomorrow isn't secure. A lot of people still have to wake up and smell the coffee and it isn't the fault of immigrants.

Including Thatcherites...

BroomBurner

Hold on a second there, we're not allowed to generalise about other nationalities, but we can generalise about the Irish by calling us all lazy?

Remarkable double standard.

Serenity Now!

BroomBurner wrote: »

Hold on a second there, we're not allowed to generalise about other nationalities, but we can generalise about the Irish by calling us all lazy?

Remarkable double standard.

Whats good for the goose...