UFC 93 Discussion ***Will Contain Spoilers***

Ok so there seem to be a few threads about UFC 93 so this one is not for discussion of the fights themselves when they go down. Note that spoilers noted in the title so discuss away (I'd imagine most of us are going to it anyway).


Date: Saturday, January 17, 2008

Venue: The O2 (formerly the Point Depot) in Dublin.



Main Card:

Rich Franklin vs. Dan Henderson
Mauricio “Shogun” Rua vs. Mark Coleman
Denis Kang vs. Alan Belcher
Marcus Davis vs. Chris Lytle
Rousimar Palhares vs. Jeremy Horn

Undercard:

Martin Kampmann vs. Alexandre Barros
Eric Schafer vs. Antonio Mendes
Ivan Serati vs. Tomasz Drwal
Thomas Egan vs. John Hathaway
Nate Mohr vs. Dennis Siver

Pride Fighter

You got Tom Egan's record wrong. He is 6-0 in MMA, 4-0 fully pro.

Copy and paste job. Send an e-mail of complaint to mmamania.com

Mellor

Deleted User wrote: »

Copy and paste job. Send an e-mail of complaint to mmamania.com

Or maybe change your original post?

Mellor

Mellor wrote: »

Or maybe change your original post?

No. Because the records are their PROFESSIONAL records. The other 2 in Toms 6-0 are semi pro AFAIK. 4 pro fights and 2 semi pros.

Mellor

You have him down as 3-0,
maybe he has 3 semi-pro

Perfect fit

hes 4-0 pro 2-0 semi pro

Right done, lets talk fights now shall we. SIGH :rolleyes:

Chris89

Um Neil, you seem to have forgotten to include Ivan Serati's illusive draw of 2001, I will not stand for this nonsense.

War Diaz.

Right, records deleted, let's actually talk about the bloody sport now will we.


Anyone else think the fact that Hendo vs Franklin is at 205 will make any difference as opposed to 185? I think that will favour Rich as it allows him to come in bigger as he usually walks around at about 220lbs while Hendo walsk around closer to 205. Just a thought.

Chris89

I want to see Franklin win just because I think he'd be funnier on TUF.

I dont really have much evidence that hes actually funny, but I think he looks a bit like Jim Carey and thats good enough for me.
Also Bisping said he wants to fight Henderson and Bisping has an annoying accent. So by this logic, WAR Franklin.

UFC released this preview online for you to watch. It's about 15-20 mins long, I wasn't counting when i watched this morning.


Franklin is very funny in it when Hendo says he visualizes himself on top of Rich "beating the sh1t out of him".

Pride Fighter

Henderson by KO.

Mikel

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone else think the fact that Hendo vs Franklin is at 205 will make any difference as opposed to 185? I think that will favour Rich as it allows him to come in bigger as he usually walks around at about 220lbs while Hendo walsk around closer to 205. Just a thought.

You mean franklin cuts from 220 to 185? :eek:

Mikel

Mikel wrote: »

You mean franklin cuts from 220 to 185? :eek:

I think he diets to get down to around 200 and cuts the rest but yes I'm 99.999% sure that his walking weight is between 215 and 220.

Killme00

Deleted User wrote: »

I think he diets to get down to around 200 and cuts the rest but yes I'm 99.999% sure that his walking weight is between 215 and 220.

Considering the volume of training that Ace does, i find this very hard to believe.

ginoginelli

99.999% are u sure?? :pac:

Killme00

Jaguar...works eighty percent of the time, all of the time

Mikel

Deleted User wrote: »

I think he diets to get down to around 200 and cuts the rest but yes I'm 99.999% sure that his walking weight is between 215 and 220.

Ah ok that sounds a bit more human, I thought dehydrating 35lbs sounded like a freaky amount to cut...... still maybe he does, who knows?

Nothingcompares

I think this raises a very interesting question in modern MMA. the significance of the weight cut. I'm the first to admit I don't know anything about weight cutting and it's effects on an athlete. But....

I think boxers in general don't really have an issue finding a weigh to fight at. because they start so young and all through their careers they try and stay as light as possible but as powerful as possible. so when a guy makes that move from amateur to pro, he probably knows exactly what weight he will fight at, even if the differences between the upper and lower one are just a couple of kilos. in my uninformed opinion, joe blogs the pro boxer fighting at 154 lbs will find it a huge step up fighting at 160 lbs, even though, on paper, to an outsider, that looks like a neglible amount. can you imagine the ufc having the same weight classes as the wba. it would be more like professional yoyo then fighting.

my point i'm trying to make is, I'm not interested in seeing how well a fighter can fight after he diets down and then cuts another 10lbs. i want to see 2 similarly sized guys fight. of course, we can't stop people weight cutting but ....

in the case of sean sherk and kenny florian, two guys that fought well at 170, they decide to cut to 155 and make a go at the championship. fair enough you'll say, they'll find it easier fighting smaller guys like huerta as opposed to beasts at 170 like gsp and alves. but what's the point of kf and ss cutting to 155 to fight each other at 155. why don't we just say, listen, you both walk around at the same weight, why don't you just fight at 170 and not break your heart cutting water and just concentrate on fighting.

so going back to neil's question, will the fact this fight is taking place at 205 rather than 185 make a difference to the out come? we can say they're both seasoned pros who have the cut down to a fine art so maybe not. but in the wider view of things, do you care what weight class joe stephenson and diego sanchez fight at as long as they come in at the same weight? do you care what weight class fedor and randy fight at as long as they come in around the same weight? do you care what weight class chuck and silva (either w or a) fight at as long as it's fair?

if kenny florian and sean sherk are going to cut to 155 to fight at 155 only to both enter the cage at 170 what's the point?

CyberGhost

Coleman - Rua and the Egan fights are the only ones I'm really interested, don't really care for Hendo vs Frankling tbh, neither ever was my favorite fighter.

rovert

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Franklin is very funny in it when Hendo says he visualizes himself on top of Rich "beating the sh1t out of him".

I thought it was a lame attempt at humour myself. Go Hendo!

LukerC

Was just wondering if any fighters are training in irish gyms before saturday(excluding tom egan)? i taught most of the fighters like to be in country about a week to avoid jet lag and to get acclimatised, are most of them training in england?

johnny_adidas

did anyone record the interview on 2fm this morning, got a text about it being on but missed it?

rovert

johnny_adidas wrote: »

did anyone record the interview on 2fm this morning, got a text about it being on but missed it?

Gerry Ryan?

Usually it appears as a Podcast failing that there is onlys a stream.

EDIT: I guess it was this:

Wednesday 14th January 2009
Ultimate Fighting Championship fighters compete over 3 x 5minute rounds using techniques mixed from boxing, Olympic wrestling, kickboxing, Thai boxing, judo and jiu-jitsu. The Championship opens 2009 with a star-powered card at The O2 in Dublin this Saturday, January 17. UFC spokesperson, Irish boxer and Olympic Medal winner Wayne McCullough joins UFC's President's Dana White in studio with Gerry this morning to discuss the sport's growing popularity.

http://www.rte.ie/2fm/ryanshow/

Id guess they will be on Matt Cooper this evening as well?

johnny_adidas

cheers will check the podcast so when its updated. will try matt cooper later too. thanks

OK lads, remember all discussion of the event goes in here. No need for a load of different threads on the one event.

Pride Fighter

I'm just back from the weigh in. It was good, Coleman looked huge for a 205 lb fighter. No hiccups regarding missing weight. Tom Egan looked to be enjoying the spotlight but focused and composed at the same time. Before the weigh in Bisping presented himself to the public for photos and autographs. I am not his biggest fan but to be honest he showed genuine class in dealing with the fans.

PADRAIC.M

im in citi bar at the mo and michael bisping is here havin a few beers

poor lad, hope he gets left alone!

Highnoon

The big day is finally here. Just had a bit of grub and looking out a the terrible weather - wind and feckin rain! I'm heading in and expect to be there for 5ish. My brother in law rang the O2 who said the event will go on till around 10.30 tonight. That there'll be Irish fighters (plural not just Egan) on first? So he'll head in for the later bouts.

I thought there were only 10 fights but I aint taking any chances and will be there to enjoy it from the kick off. If it turns out that there is alot of Irish guys fighting first then all the better. Just hope there not the ones sitting in the audience

Going for Franklyn and Rua (though I'd like to see Coleman give him a hard time)

amacachi

How many of yous got tickets? Am I right guessing it's gonna be quiet enough in here? :P

ratinakeg

Good fight to start off the night, c'mon the Irish Hand Grenade!!!

CyberGhost

amacachi wrote: »

How many of yous got tickets? Am I right guessing it's gonna be quiet enough in here? :P

LOL exactly what I thought, the whole MMA forum must be at the event.


Sucks about Tom Egan was hoping he'd win.

calex71

cant we have an event in this country that we dont hear ole ole get sung

atmosphere looks amazing

amacachi

Don't forget the fields of Athenry :P

Good first match. All on the feet which is my cup of tea. Right decision I thought.

cmyk

CyberGhost wrote: »

LOL exactly what I thought, the whole MMA forum must be at the event.


Sucks about Tom Egan was hoping he'd win.

****, what happened in Egan's fight? Been watching since 8 but I'm guessing they're editing them down?

Johner

cmyk wrote: »

****, what happened in Egan's fight? Been watching since 8 but I'm guessing they're editing them down?

He got battered in round 1.

cmyk

Johner wrote: »

He got battered in round 1.

Ah well, sorry to hear that, guess they won't be showing that then.

amacachi

Elbows according to Wikipedia.

ratinakeg

Two great fights so far!!
It's gonna be a brilliant night!

Carroller

Must say i do miss the all nighter staying up to watch the main fights.

Its not the same unless its half five in the morning

gerire

Wasn't bernard Dunne only 12 in 1992; He done well to win a gold medal in the olympics boxing.... Some statto didn't do much checking out on that one;


Has been some good fights so far

GBX

gerire wrote: »

Wasn't bernard Dunne only 12 in 1992; He done well to win a gold medal in the olympics boxing.... Some statto didn't do much checking out on that one;


Has been some good fights so far

I lol'd at that caption. FAIL lol

Good fights. Im enjoying it so far

ratinakeg

gerire wrote: »

Wasn't bernard Dunne only 12 in 1992; He done well to win a gold medal in the olympics boxing.... Some statto didn't do much checking out on that one;


Has been some good fights so far

They spelled it Bernard Dunn!
Good spot anyway!

gerire

He was in trouble for all of that round really was Egan; Only really had 1 short go at Hattaway but looked in trouble for the whole round

amacachi

Jesus I wasn't impressed with Egan at all there.

kensutz

Too busy worrying about his hair than being interviewed.

ratinakeg

Egans fight on now!
He's only 20 years old anyway, He has to move to the U.S to improve and has a great future if he does!

dlofnep

Hard luck to Tom.. he went up against a guy who was 11-0 with much more experience.. Tom did his best, and he should be proud of himself. He's a class act and has a fan in me.

Kent Brockman

Joe Rogan just said" hathaway is taking advantage of Egans lack of grappling training"....................???????????