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pseudo-tech

No6 wrote: »

If Muffler stops by to Mayo in his helicopter I'll go otherwise I'm afraid I'll have to give it a miss.

Muffler, has a helicopter. Hope it was not the one Minister Martin Cullen was in yesterday!

muffler

I have a door here if anyone can supply me with the rest of the chopper

No6

Target Minister Dropping, is that a new sport you are involved in Muffler, any chance it'll get into the London Olympics???:D:D:D

No6

I would be interested in Edwina Shanahan's talk on visa options for Tech's, I looked into it a little last year for Australia (when there were jobs there) and went to one of her talks. Arch Tech are not recognised in Australia so we dont get on the essential list so our best option is to get a sponsored visa if you can get a job. The only draw back for this is if you have kids you're not entitled to free eduction!! so watch out. Arch techs are recognised in Canada so I'd be interested to hear on the Visa situation there.

I'd also be very intereted in the accessibility auditing and the planning update (it sh*t and its still going to be sh*t!!)

pseudo-tech

No6 wrote: »

I would be interested in Edwina Shanahan's talk on visa options for Tech's, I looked into it a little last year for Australia (when there were jobs there) and went to one of her talks. Arch Tech are not recognised in Australia so we dont get on the essential list so our best option is to get a sponsored visa if you can get a job. The only draw back for this is if you have kids you're not entitled to free eduction!! so watch out. Arch techs are recognised in Canada so I'd be interested to hear on the Visa situation there.

I have a mate who had no truble getting work in Austrlia as a technician. Is membership of the CIAT recognised in Australia due to the close relationship between Australia and England?

No6 wrote: »

I'd also be very intereted in the accessibility auditing and the planning update (it sh*t and its still going to be sh*t!!)

Which accessibility auditing and the planning update ?

No6

pseudo-tech wrote: »

IATGN Eastern Regional Committee (Waterford) have announced an information evening.

Commencing on Thursday the 12th March at WIT, Cork Road, Waterford, and in association with Tegral Building Products.

Accessibility Auditing:

A presentation by William Lonergan the Office of Public Works.

Planning and Development Update:

By Peter Thompson - Peter Thompson Planning Solutions

Working Abroad - Visa Options for Architectural Technicians / Technologist:

By Edwina Shanahan pf Visa First.com

start time: 7:00 pm (event runs until 10:100pm)
Admission €10.00

Well Done to The IATGN (Waterford)

Those ones!!!:D

pseudo-tech

No6 wrote: »

Those ones!!!:D

Thanks!!!!!

Warden Dios

Hi all,
Great to find this thread specifically for poor auld Technicians, the chimney sweeps of the Architectural world.

I've been a Civil/Architectural Technican for almost 19 years now. I never saw the need for membership of a professional organisation. However, since I have been taking on alot more private work the last number of of years and i want to take a Non Domestic Building Energy Rating course soon it really is not an option anymore.

For my 2 cents worth I think everyone should row in behind CIAT and forget about AIT for now. A pan Uk Ireland Techie association should carry considerable clout with such a potential large membership.

Also so many of us (as I have had to in the past) will be seeking employment abroad (if and when the global economy stutters back to life) a UK based professional organisation will be readly reconised.

pseudo-tech

Warden Dios wrote: »

Hi all,
Great to find this thread specifically for poor auld Technicians, the chimney sweeps of the Architectural world.

Or Architects helpers1!

Warden Dios wrote: »

For my 2 cents worth I think everyone should row in behind CIAT and forget about AIT for now. A pan Uk Ireland Techie association should carry considerable clout with such a potential large membership.

Also so many of us (as I have had to in the past) will be seeking employment abroad (if and when the global economy stutters back to life) a UK based professional organisation will be readly reconised.

Very good point. It's time to gather together and support one organisation in order to make any progress!

fatchops

Very good point. It's time to gather together and support one organisation in order to make any progress!

I think this is a point well worth taking up with the ATI and seeing what their view is on it, and perhaps allow them to put this particular question to their prospective members, after all they have the e-mail database and would at least allow them to gauge the general feeling of the profession.
Just like the rest of the country we're crying out for leadership, be it here or abroad.

pseudo-tech

fatchops wrote: »

I think this is a point well worth taking up with the ATI and seeing what their view is on it, and perhaps allow them to put this particular question to their prospective members, after all they have the e-mail database and would at least allow them to gauge the general feeling of the profession.
Just like the rest of the country we're crying out for leadership, be it here or abroad.

Hi fatchops, I don't understand why this point needs to be raised with ATI. I'm sure their view on it would be no different to any other Technician working around the Country. I have requested that they make everyone on the aforementioned database aware of this forum so that we could communicate amongst ourselves, to try and improve our position. This proposal was not accepted. Therefore, i don't understand why a database was created if not for the good of the Technician community.

In relation to your comment on Leadership, I have to agree with you. It's unfortunate that we have no natural leaders that have put themselves forward.

RKQ

I'd agree with unity, togetherness and supporting one organisation. I always have.

As the numbers of Employed Arch Tech's shrinks in this country, there could be alot of advantages to one pan Ireland / UK Organisation with strong international links.

Workloads have changed alot in the last few months and IMO its all about survival now.

pseudo-tech

RKQ wrote: »

I'd agree with unity, togetherness and supporting one organisation. I always have.

As the numbers of Employed Arch Tech's shrinks in this country, there could be alot of advantages to one pan Ireland / UK Organisation with strong international links.

Workloads have changed alot in the last few months and IMO its all about survival now.

I agree with you. We need a central organisation that will provide a point for communication so that sole traders don't feel that they are floating about in a vast ocean on their own. We also need a professional representing body who can move with the times and have sufficient depth and leadership to ensure that they are taken seriously and not brushed under the carpet!

sydthebeat

fatchops wrote: »

I think this is a point well worth taking up with the ATI and seeing what their view is on it, and perhaps allow them to put this particular question to their prospective members, after all they have the e-mail database and would at least allow them to gauge the general feeling of the profession.
Just like the rest of the country we're crying out for leadership, be it here or abroad.

this doest need to be raised with the ATI.... because they have suggested and encouraged membership of CIAT at ALL times. As they also encouraged membership of the RIAI.

They do not need to circulate a bulk email

Anyone who attended the RDS meeting will know that th eATI were encouraging this as far back as 2006.

What you are suggesting is not new.

fatchops

pseudo-tech, I would imagine that the ATI view the comments on the board in relation to this issue as nothing more than a fly in the ointment and an issue that will eventually go away, perhaps the way to deal with it is forward the link for this thread onto other technicians and ask them to do the same, chain letter style I know but may, at the very least, bring this issue to the attention of a wider audience.
RKQ's idea of a pan Ireland / UK organisation with international links makes sense but I feel that home based representation is the absolute minimum we should have

pseudo-tech

fatchops wrote: »

pseudo-tech, I would imagine that the ATI view the comments on the board in relation to this issue as nothing more than a fly in the ointment and an issue that will eventually go away, perhaps the way to deal with it is forward the link for this thread onto other technicians and ask them to do the same, chain letter style I know but may, at the very least, bring this issue to the attention of a wider audience.
RKQ's idea of a pan Ireland / UK organisation with international links makes sense but I feel that home based representation is the absolute minimum we should have

Hi fatchops. Again I agree with your comments. However, i don't understand the necessity of having a home based representation. The world has become very small and a small representing body based in Ireland may have no kudos abroad where a lot of our colleagues are now going. I believe at this stage we should all back the CIAT, establish a strong sub-office here in Ireland and use the experience and strength of the CIAT to provide the representation we now need. We need big picture thinking at this stage and not parochial, small village views!

sydthebeat

fatchops wrote: »

pseudo-tech, I would imagine that the ATI view the comments on the board in relation to this issue as nothing more than a fly in the ointment and an issue that will eventually go away, perhaps the way to deal with it is forward the link for this thread onto other technicians and ask them to do the same, chain letter style I know but may, at the very least, bring this issue to the attention of a wider audience.
RKQ's idea of a pan Ireland / UK organisation with international links makes sense but I feel that home based representation is the absolute minimum we should have

to Fatchops.... and other posters.

be very careful. The forum charter here states that you cannot establish or promote any particular organisation.

There is a good debate going on here, please do not ruin it.

you are dangerously close to breaking forum rules.

please read the forum rules and charter.... and this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055323546

fatchops

sydthebeat, it is not my intention to promote or establish any particular group or organisation. I am purely expressing my personal opinion in relation to the level of representation currently available to technicians in this country

pseudo-tech

fatchops wrote: »

sydthebeat, it is not my intention to promote or establish any particular group or organisation. I am purely expressing my personal opinion in relation to the level of representation currently available to technicians in this country

Ditto. However, it is important to hear what organisations are performing for technicians and which ones are not, otherwise we will suffer the ignorance that we have endured for the last 20 years in relation to professional representation!

sydthebeat

fatchops wrote: »

sydthebeat, it is not my intention to promote or establish any particular group or organisation. I am purely expressing my personal opinion in relation to the level of representation currently available to technicians in this country

ok, but suggesting organising a chain email with the intent of supporting one organisation over another is dangerously close to breaking rules.

Im just asking you to be careful, is that ok?

RKQ

Sydthebeat, it is not my intention to promote or establish any particular group or organisation.
Each individual must make up their own mind and decide on which organisation will be best for them.

sydthebeat

RKQ wrote: »

sydthebeat, it is not my intention to promote or establish any particular group or organisation. Each individual must make up their own mind.

understood and accepted.

fatchops

sydthebeat, my puncutation is obviously not what it should be, the "chain letter style" was an off the cuff remark in relation to the best method to encourage more technicians to view this thread. However your concern is duly noted, there was no maliciousness intended

No6

RKQ wrote: »

.Each individual must make up their own mind and decide on which organisation will be best for them.

or indeed be a member of all of them like me!!!!:D and in fairness as reccomended by IATGN in their report. Depending on where you are (or not!!) in your career all the organisations have different things to offer which may or may not be of benifit to you. you never know until you join.:D

pseudo-tech

No6 wrote: »

or indeed be a member of all of them like me!!!!:D

And me!

No6

Anyone going to the information evening in waterford tomorrow night? Its too far away from me but I'm hoping they will run it again in a few more locations. (Gmit Castlebar would be very very handy for me!!!)

archtech

No6 wrote: »

Anyone going to the information evening in waterford tomorrow night? Its too far away from me but I'm hoping they will run it again in a few more locations. (Gmit Castlebar would be very very handy for me!!!)

i am

Poor Uncle Tom

Me too.

RKQ

Pity they clash but theres a Seminar on Making your home energy efficient, held in Kells, Co. Kilkenny - Thursday night, 12th March. 3 expert Speakers - PM for details.

Covering all aspects of energy efficiency, insulation options, heating systems, BER ratings and grants available etc.

No6

I just got another email from the IATGN, theres another information night in Cork on thursday 19th March, Still to far away from me, I hope Limerick, will be next (ahem ahem!! Western Region!!!) But give us a lttile notice!!!:D

pseudo-tech

No6 wrote: »

I just got another email from the IATGN, theres another information night in Cork on thursday 19th March, Still to far away from me, I hope Limerick, will be next (ahem ahem!! Western Region!!!) But give us a lttile notice!!!:D

What's the line up in Cork??

No6

Edwina shanaghan again we're all goin to somewhere?? and not to sure who else, different to Waterford, it's on my office computer so I'll post it tomorrow if someone else dosn't do it first. Fair play to them anyway its great to see a few regional nights get running again,

No6

IATGN Southern Region – Information Evening
Thursday 19th March
The Southern Region of the Irish Architectural Technology Graduate Network is pleased to announce its information evening, Thursday 19th March at CIT, Rossa Avenue, Bishopstown, Cork – lecture theatre in the Library Building.

6:00pm-Working Abroad - Visa Options for Architectural Technicians / Technologists
By - Edwina Shanahan of Visa First.com
6:30pm-Continuing education opportunities at CIT in Architectural Technology and related disciplines at the undergraduate level and proposed masters level programmes in the School.
By Katherine Keane, Head of Architecture, and Dr Garrett O'Sullivan Coordinator of BSc Hons Arch Tech 4th year of the School of Building and Civil Engineering, Faculty of Engineering, Cork

7:00pm-2008 Part L – BER
By: Paul Kenny B.E MIEI. Senior Energy Consultant, Tipperary Energy Agency.
Start Time 6:00 pm (event runs until 8:00pm)
Admission €10 (Students FREE)

RSVP leanejohn@eircom.net by Monday 16th March 2009.
For more information on this event CLICK HERE

pseudo-tech

No6 wrote: »

Fair play to them anyway its great to see a few regional nights get running again,

Yes well done to ATI for providing this much needed service. I am the first to point out their faults, so its only fair that I congratulate them on a positive move. Keep it up and keep it positive!

No6

How did the information evening go in Waterford?? where are we all emigrating too!!!:D

pseudo-tech

No6 wrote: »

How did the information evening go in Waterford?? where are we all emigrating too!!!:D

Never never land :D

No6

I've got a four year old would be very very happy with that!!:D

archtech

No6 wrote: »

How did the information evening go in Waterford?? where are we all emigrating too!!!:D

About 25 or so there , a good few students who were interested in the talk on visas, which was interesting. CANADA, doesn't look like much of an option as it is hard to get a work visa, as there's no major AT shortage at present. A one year general type visa is easy to get and you will pick up the normal type bar work.The normal 1 year visa in Australia, won't get you work as an AT, you need one of the other visas, there is work there for AT's by all accounts, in certain regions.

As for the other two speakers, they were interesting enough, its no wonder the building regs are enforced they way they are, as access for the public to the Dail, don't comply with Part M, based on the Accessibly Audit undertaken by the speaker on the night !!!

pseudo-tech

archtech wrote: »

its no wonder the building regs are enforced they way they are, as access for the public to the Dail, don't comply with Part M, based on the Accessibly Audit undertaken by the speaker on the night !!!

Banana Republic!

parka

archtech wrote: »

As for the other two speakers, they were interesting enough, its no wonder the building regs are enforced they way they are, as access for the public to the Dail, don't comply with Part M, based on the Accessibly Audit undertaken by the speaker on the night !!!

Out of interest who was the speaker? (Found it)

Most buildings don't comply with Part M as the basics are still being misunderstood.

The new Part M, while improved won't be inline with BS8300 (2009)

Supertech

Speaker was William Lonergan from OPW. BS8300 is what OPW use for their access auditing. Part M is still under review with no definite publish date as yet.

parka

Supertech wrote: »

Speaker was William Lonergan from OPW. BS8300 is what OPW use for their access auditing. Part M is still under review with no definite publish date as yet.

The problem with using BS8300 in an access audit is that most designs won't reach compliance with it, due to Part M having different layouts and minimum sizes. (saying that Part M compliance can be a miracle even in recent schemes)
New Part M is due by the summer. (it was meant to be last summer)

pseudo-tech

parka wrote: »

The problem with using BS8300 in an access audit is that most designs won't reach compliance with it, due to Part M having different layouts and minimum sizes. (saying that Part M compliance can be a miracle even in recent schemes)
New Part M is due by the summer. (it was meant to be last summer)

Is it not about time that Qualified Architectural Technicians/ Technologists are consulted about the workings of the Technical Guidance Documents. I for one feel that ATs should be playing a central role, if not given full responsibility for preparing them. We have given many examples of there failing together with many examples of where Architects don't understand them. When are Technicians going to stand up and be counted?? How can we position ourselves, in order to promote and expand our profession??

No6

In fairness Pusedo Tech I know of two who are on BRAB (building regulations adviosary board) When Building regs are out for public consultation thats when we should comment, if enough of use comment regurarly we may get noticed eventually!!!:D

pseudo-tech

No6 wrote: »

In fairness Pusedo Tech I know of two who are on BRAB (building regulations adviosary board) When Building regs are out for public consultation thats when we should comment, if enough of use comment regurarly we may get noticed eventually!!!:D

thanks for that No. 6. 2 Technicians on the Advisory Board. How many others are on the panel and from where do they come from. Who puts forward the two Technicians??

Representative bodies should also be doing this on our behalf!

muffler

Posts on the BRAB have been moved to a new thread.

armchairninja

Just checked the emails there, Info evening for the Dublin Region next Thursday

IATGN Dublin Region – Information Evening
Thursday 26th March

The Dublin Region of the Irish Architectural Technology Graduate Network is pleased to announce its information evening, Thursday 26th of March in Room 236 in DIT Bolton Street at 6pm.

6:00pm-Working Abroad - Visa Options for Architectural Technicians / Technologists

By – Shane Finn of Visa First.com

6:30pm - Update on recently validated full time and part time honours degree and postgraduate certificate programmes in architectural technology in DIT.

By Cormac Allen B Arch, M Arch Sc, Dip Arch Tech, MRIAI, Head of Department of Architectural Technology, DIT, Bolton Street.

7:00pm-2008 Part L – BER

By: Joe Hayden Senior Energy Engineer, Dublin Energy Agency.

Start Time 6:00 pm (event runs until 8:00pm)
Admission €10 (Students FREE)

RSVP info@architecturaltechnology.ie by Tuesday 24th March 2009.

fatchops

Should be interesting to hear what Cormac Allen has to say

jozi

fatchops wrote: »

Should be interesting to hear what Cormac Allen has to say

And the whole visa thing.

Many going to this?

Is it free in if unemployed I still consider myself a student

fatchops

Well I think after the discussions here it would be bad form not to attend. The visa aspect of the event doesn't really interest me as I'm gonna tough it out here and see how things develop,(might be eating those words)