The dole is too much!!

gurramok

Degsy wrote: »

There's plenty of people living quite comfortably on the dole,especialy if they happen to be single mothers.
Some of these people have been claiming since they left school and the idea of working has never occured to them.

Agree here, i know a couple of them who have babies every year in order to keep their 3 bed houses while the father lives with them rent-free unknown to the authorities. They all have cars to drive around as well.

P1sstakers yes but if there was a child support agency or something to chase the fathers of these kids for maintenance, it will help to solve the wasting of public money in this area.

Regarding dole, it is a bit high. Rent allowance is also too high and needs to come down a good bit in line with other countries, hence lower rent allowance bill for the public purse.
When it does, landlords won't throw you out as there is no market for high rents, they are collapsing.

brianthebard

realcam wrote: »

Are you for real?
We all know 'socialising' is just another term for getting pissed and I can't see why I should finance some wasters 10 'Dutch Gold' per day.

I'm not talking about paying for booze and you know it, I was saying that there's only monetary support given to people on the dole, but no effort made to make sure they leave the house more than once or twice a week, gain skills needed for interviews, etc, etc. But well done on your extremely judgemental portrayal of what its like to be on the dole, really.

themadchef

Having a job and getting paid for the work you do is not just financially rewarding, for me at least.

For alot of people having to sign on the dole is soul destroying, thankfully i havent had to yet... but for every man and woman in this country the word "yet" is very much a reality.

The amount of people who see the dole almost as a career itself is staggering. We dont need to redeuce the €€ they dole offers little enough to most people, what we need to do is disincentivise it. Make it part of the deal that if youre available for work, and actively seeking work, but after say 6 weeks of not finding work then you are obliged to do 20hrs a week community service to actually "earn" the money.

This lie back and take the money attitude really makes me sick. People should be supported, but, there should be greater incentive to actually take a job, any job, just to get off your hole the dole.

ntlbell

What I can't understand is if you're on job seekers are available and ready to work but are on the dole you should be put to work for your dole.

There's always a school that needs work volunteering in A&E even if it's just making the tea and toast, road sweeping whatever the case maybe

it should be mandatory that you put X amount of hours and the other X amount of hours is used for job seeking and must be clocked in somewhere.

be it your local exchange, job center or obair center.

Monthly proof of applications for jobs + refusal letters etc

People who genuinely want to find work will find it and be off the system and those who don't will spend their days cleaning mount joy toilets or something similar...

just reducing the amount they get is not really an option

robinph

I'm certainly not looking forward to when I'll have to sign on in a couple of weeks and whatever it is that they do give me back from what has been taken from my pay for the last X number of years will be nowhere near enough to live off.

KikiDee

themadchef wrote: »

For alot of people having to sign on the dole is soul destroying

I did find signing on soul destroying. I fel awful. And for the three months I was on it the guilt like feeling didn't leave me once. I went on countless interviews and with each rejection letter, my confidence was ebbing away.

It annoys me that when society thinks of people on the dole, they think of lazy layabouts that do nothing all day. Most people on the dole are dying to get back to work. Granted, there are a few proud dole holes but that is (hopefully) just a small minority!

janullrich

200 euros is nothing when you are trying to pay rent, look for a job and genuarally trying to do something positive. As I said before people who do not give a damn or are welfare scrougers should have a rocket lit up their behind to wake up to the real world. The reality is a lot of genunie people like myself have lost their job and I am looking at ways to start off a small scale tourism business with possibly a friend. Hopefully it will look better in 2010. I honestly think that starting off your own business smallscale (or at least trying something) is the only alternative as there is feck all work out there. Any success stories of finding something in the last month please reply!!

green123

janullrich wrote: »

Also we have these so called refugees from countries like Nigeria who while some work are the worst welfare scrougers going. These are the ones who should get no money at all. The problem with Ireland is that we are so generous to these people when what we should be doing is deporting them.

yes we should be deporting them, because they are supposed to claim asylum in the first free country they get to , and not cherry pick their way across europe until they find a soft touch like ireland

why stay in england and get 50 quid on the dole when they can come over here and get 200 from the stupid irish

Terry

janullrich wrote: »

Well personally I will have to go on the dole this week and I am not looking forward to it one bit. However after been let go last week I am entitled to it and I don't think what you get is too much. I will still look for a job but chances are u will need to set up ur own business or emigrate (god knows where though) However the government should do more to get lazy layabouts off their backsides and look for jobs somewhere. I know a guy who I used to live with who spent his dole money on alcohol and nothing much else. He did a bit of caddie work. These people are the ones where dole money is too much and who should be made to suffer by it being scraped.

Also we have these so called refugees from countries like Nigeria who while some work are the worst welfare scrougers going. These are the ones who should get no money at all. The problem with Ireland is that we are so generous to these people when what we should be doing is deporting them.

Do you have any proof of this, or is it just your opinion?

€200 a week is not enough to live comfortably on.
It's just enough to get you by and anyone living comfortably on that money has it good and obviously has another income.

Snowie

I'm on the dole and I have to pay rent, feed my self and pay bills!!!

I hate it its mind numbing boardim I want out, Id kill for any job right now just so I had the satisfaction of doing something some what constructive with my life I dont like being stuck doing nothing, I aply for as many jobs online as humanly possible which in any way are in my line of work, but the things is there are a lot of qualified people out there with the qualifactaions to match if not imporoove these establishments for me Im a chef... granted I can cook but there are guys with the same amount of experence who are 5 times better chefs taught bye really good chefs my history of head chefs are alchaolics who leave me in the **** looking after there kitchen, I had to learn on the job and the fact that to restaurants i worked in droped of the face of the earth because there owners where dumb a$$'s

I never trained in ireland, I worked in england and France and dont have the nesscery hccp document to say oh i know not to put fish and chicken in the same tub while in a fridge etc....

the out come of it is I have to go do that poxy course just to help me get a job.. I dont sit around on my ass allday watching tv granted I have been recently but now im nearly sighned on I can... actuly go out and hunt for work...

So know for me personally No i dont think its to much I may not even be intitled to the 200 a week so please some of us do look after things...

Yes in Irish crx's first point that chap should have a 130 a week hate that sort of behavour....:rolleyes:

Degsy

<3BeingIN6th wrote: »

Do you have any proof of this, or is it just your opinion?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-uncover-83642m-fraud-by-asylum-applicants-1551743.html
Its pretty well known.
here's an example

ntlbell

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

I'm on the dole and I have to pay rent, feed my self and pay bills!!!

I hate it its mind numbing boardim I want out, Id kill for any job right now just so I had the satisfaction of doing something some what constructive with my life I dont like being stuck doing nothing, I aply for as many jobs online as humanly possible which in any way are in my line of work, but the things is there are a lot of qualified people out there with the qualifactaions to match if not imporoove these establishments for me Im a chef... granted I can cook but there are guys with the same amount of experence who are 5 times better chefs taught bye really good chefs my history of head chefs are alchaolics who leave me in the **** looking after there kitchen, I had to learn on the job and the fact that to restaurants i worked in droped of the face of the earth because there owners where dumb a$$'s

I never trained in ireland, I worked in england and France and dont have the nesscery hccp document to say oh i know not to put fish and chicken in the same tub while in a fridge etc....

the out come of it is I have to go do that poxy course just to help me get a job.. I dont sit around on my ass allday watching tv granted I have been recently but now im nearly sighned on I can... actuly go out and hunt for work...

So know for me personally No i dont think its to much I may not even be intitled to the 200 a week so please some of us do look after things...

Yes in Irish crx's first point that chap should have a 130 a week hate that sort of behavour....:rolleyes:

are you not claiming rent allowance?

you should be..

there's also fuel allowance etc not sure if you're entitled to those but you should look into it and claim your full list of benifits

EKRIUQ

I agree with the original OP and but it's not just the dole it's the "entitlements"

Dole €197 pw week
Rent allowance € 125 per week

Total €322 plus Full medical card, free furniture and white goods, and fuel allowance. What ever value you want to put on that.

I'm sure a lot of working people can't clear €322 per week and they work 40 hours per week. Why bother working for an extra €50 it's not worth the hassle

Mena

green123 wrote: »

yes we should be deporting them, because they are supposed to claim asylum in the first free country they get to , and not cherry pick their way across europe until they find a soft touch like ireland

And how is it you know that Ireland is not the first "free country" they get to exactly?

green123

Mena wrote: »

And how is it you know that Ireland is not the first "free country" they get to exactly?

because there are no scheduled flights or boats between ireland and nigeria, so they must come through other countries

Degsy

EKRIUQ wrote: »

I agree with the original OP and but it's not just the dole it's the "entitlements"

Dole €197 pw week
Rent allowance € 125 per week

Total €322 plus Full medical card, free furniture and white goods, and fuel allowance. What ever value you want to put on that.

I'm sure a lot of working people can't clear €322 per week and they work 40 hours per week. Why bother working for an extra €50 it's not worth the hassle

Dint forget..if you are working for a living on that sort of money,a visit to the doctor can clean you out..120 quid for consultation,prescriptions and drugs.
I hear junkies on the bus all the time talking about "this doctor and that doctor",writing them prescriptions to "hold" them till they get thier next fix.
Its a disgrace tax payers fund people's drug-dependance lifestyles while getting shafted themselves if they become genuinely ill.

Snowie

ntlbell wrote: »

are you not claiming rent allowance?

you should be..

there's also fuel allowance etc not sure if you're entitled to those but you should look into it and claim your full list of benifits

Im not shore mate I have to wait and see as there means testing me...
I should be able to buy right... but is there not something to do with land lords and stuf with rent allowance.... ?

plus i feel like a complete spunge

Bluetonic

EKRIUQ wrote: »

I agree with the original OP and but it's not just the dole it's the "entitlements"

Dole €197 pw week
Rent allowance € 125 per week

Total €322 plus Full medical card, free furniture and white goods, and fuel allowance. What ever value you want to put on that.

I'm sure a lot of working people can't clear €322 per week and they work 40 hours per week. Why bother working for an extra €50 it's not worth the hassle

Dole (unemployment benefit/assistance) as it's been refereed to here is actually €204.30. Thats standard for benefit, the highest allowed for allowance.

Degsy

Bluetonic wrote: »

Dole (unemployment benefit/assistance) as it's been refereed to here is actually €204.30. Thats standard for benefit, the highest allowed for allowance.

That could buy you nearly 200 cans of beer per week!

Mena

green123 wrote: »

because there are no scheduled flights or boats between ireland and nigeria, so they must come through other countries

Perhaps you have not heard of the Dublin Regulation? I'm going to plagiarise GuanYin's sticky from the politics forum here:

If you have applied for asylum in an EU country covered by the Dublin Regulation and wish to have your application considered here, it is not certain that you are entitled to do so. Another country covered by the Dublin Regulation may be responsible for considering your application. As a result, you may have to go to that country. Following are some circumstances under which another country may consider your application:

1. if you have received a visa or a residence permit from another country covered by the Dublin Regulation
2. if you have illegally entered a country covered by the Dublin Regulation
3. if you have already applied for asylum in another country covered by the Dublin Regulation
4. if your family has already received residence permits in another EU Member State

You cannot be deemed to have illegally entered a country until you clear immigration.

Simple movement through a transit area without leaving it, does not count as regular entry into the first member state but if an application for asylum is made while in the transit zone, the member state where the transit zone is bears responsibility (Article 7 The Dublin Convention)

KikiDee

Degsy wrote: »

Dint forget..if you are working for a living on that sort of money,a visit to the doctor can clean you out..120 quid for consultation,prescriptions and drugs.

I cna see where your coming from Degsy. I'm not even entitled toGP visit card. When I was on the dole, I wasn't granted a medical card. I had earned too much!!! Ok fair enough...i had previiously earned to much...but i was stoney broke at the time!!!!

holdmyhand?

KikiDee wrote: »

I realise it's tax payers money and the like but I mean, it's not like tax payers even see that money in their pay packets each week so what are we missing??

personally we are missing nothing, as you said we never even see the money. but its the health care system/ education system/ public transport/ charities that are missing out

manafana

its only recently gone up too thats it boys im fed up with our government il even vote for fiannia gael at this rate. Raising the dole when we are in a recession its mayhem.
And please can we lower minimum wage so we can be competitive again.

Snowie

EKRIUQ wrote: »

I agree with the original OP and but it's not just the dole it's the "entitlements"

Dole €197 pw week
Rent allowance € 125 per week

Total €322 plus Full medical card, free furniture and white goods, and fuel allowance. What ever value you want to put on that.

I'm sure a lot of working people can't clear €322 per week and they work 40 hours per week. Why bother working for an extra €50 it's not worth the hassle

why bother self esteam standing on your own two feet, there all important thing's... It sucks being unemployed id rather work and aleast say i work then be a bum.....

EKRIUQ

Bluetonic wrote: »

Dole (unemployment benefit/assistance) as it's been refereed to here is actually €204.30. Thats standard for benefit, the highest allowed for allowance.

Sorry, didn't know that, What about people on disability benefit as I know someone who is perfectly fit for work as he works odd days, but has been claiming disabilty for the last 10 years since he came back from England because of his back.

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

why bother self esteam standing on your own two feet, there all important thing's... It sucks being unemployed id rather work and aleast say i work then be a bum.....

Well that's the reason why people do work and try to better them selfs but far too many people have just gotten into a rut and got lazy after years of the dole and have no intention of working. People who want to work will but people who don't want to work have very little insentive to make them work as they can't see the benefit in doing so.

green123

mena
i dont know why you are quoting all that nonsense.
all i said was that they had passed through another country to get here, and they did.

Mena

green123 wrote: »

mena
i dont know why you are quoting all that nonsense.
all i said was that they had passed through another country to get here, and they did.

Unless they actually went through immigration in those other countries, no they did not.

Degsy

EKRIUQ wrote: »

Sorry, didn't know that, What about people on disability benefit as I know someone who is perfectly fit for work as he works odd days, but has been claiming disabilty for the last 10 years since he came back from England because of his back.

There's a number you can ring to have him investigated.
Dont forget he's costing the country money.

Degsy

Mena wrote: »

Unless they actually went through immigration in those other countries, no they did not.

Well t hey must have to even clear the airport.You're not allowed to sit on the tarmac waiting for your plane to ireland.

Terry

Degsy wrote: »

That could buy you nearly 200 cans of beer per week!

Yeah, but that's cheap beer and it's dirt.
I'd rather pay €2 for decent cans.

Also, day-time tv can cause you to become suicidal.

I turned on the TV this morning and RTE 1 had Maury with some seven year old kid pretending to be a talk show host. He was spouting crap about how a woman didn't know who her baby's daddy was.
I despair for the future of our society because you know there are kids watching that crap (it was before 9AM, so they wouldn't have been in school) and taking that shít in.