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Saab - First casualty of financial crisis?
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13-01-2009 9:56pm#1
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Practically all of the brands imported ti Ireland by the OHM Group are performing alarmingly badly. I've heard rumours of job losses there. Worrying times indeed.niceirishfella wrote: »
Even JCB the digger makers are in the sh1t.
At least they've the equipment to dig themselves out*
*Gets coat. Leaves.....
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Drummerboy08 wrote: »Why would you buy a 93 when you could have an A4 or 320d or anything else for that matter?!
I can think of one: price.
Actually, two: nicer specs, too
Next ?
btw, have done the 320d thing already.....Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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hold on, you said A4 and 320d. Both have ****e paddy specs, and no, you will always buy a Saab cheaper than a VAG car. Sad, but true.
Now, if you're adding an X-type...........ithat'd be nicer than a 320, but I digress.........I'll see your X-type and raise you.......C5
Call.Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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considering that Fiat invented the common rail diesel, Lancia the V4 and V6 engine format, Lancia independant front suspension, that's more than a bit wide of the mark. Saab are the recognised pioneers and refiners of turbocharging, per se, and, in the safety category, are recognised as having the best ergonomic cabin and seats, bar none. Not exactly stuff to ignore, really.........little apparent engineering ability, apart from some brief success with turbocharging in the early '80s - and even that on a Triumph Dolomite engine. Their main achievement after that the 9000 - a collaboration with Alfa Romeo, Fiat and Lancia :eek:.
inventing Very Large Bumpers, and Lap and Diagonal Belts, whilst buying engines from Renault, or Audi, is hardly innovation.Volvo have always been way ahead of them in terms of innovation, quality, safety and over engineering as evidenced by the interstellar mileage regularly achieved on many of their models.
Quite possibly yes. Or, GM have always lost money, and brought Saab down with it. That, and the fact that a big selling Volvo is, in fact, a Focus. So, who 'innovated' that, then ?The big difference between the two in recent times is that Volvo have regularly turned a profit for Ford whereas Saab have always lost money for GM.
btw, like S80's and C70's
esp, D5 Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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LOL - talk about timely - not a Volvo in sight...or, The Car in Front Is A Saab/Fiat/Lancia
Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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LOL - talk about timely - not a Volvo in sight...or, The Car in Front Is A Saab/Fiat/Lancia
Nah.....
Your typical 200 or 700 series of that time would've body rolled too much.0 -
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A recent article on Practical Classics said the Saab 96 had an engine which converts petrol into noise rather than forward motion! 0 -
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considering that Fiat invented the common rail diesel, Lancia the V4 and V6 engine format, Lancia independant front suspension, that's more than a bit wide of the mark. Saab are the recognised pioneers and refiners of turbocharging, per se, and, in the safety category, are recognised as having the best ergonomic cabin and seats, bar none. Not exactly stuff to ignore, really......
inventing Very Large Bumpers, and Lap and Diagonal Belts, whilst buying engines from Renault, or Audi, is hardly innovation.
Quite possibly yes. Or, GM have always lost money, and brought Saab down with it. That, and the fact that a big selling Volvo is, in fact, a Focus. So, who 'innovated' that, then ?
btw, like S80's and C70's esp, D5
I'm not dissing Lancia's and Fiat's other innovations - I'm not ignoring Saab's achievements either. My point was that the 9000 etc wasn't noted for anything in particular, except, perhaps, galvanisation. Lancia, Alfa and Fiat weren't exactly prestigious brands in the '80's in terms or build quality or engineering excellence.
In terms of innovation, Saab are noted for standard headrests, the wastegate, the pollen filter, headlamp wipers and washers. Volvo's own engines are renowned for covering extremely high mileages between rebuilds.
Volvo also innovated on 'insignificant' things like crumple zones, laminated windscreens, windscreen demisters and washers, child seats, 2 and 3 point seat belts, padded dashboards, anti-burst door locks, inertia reel seat belts, childproof locks, collapsible steering column technology, safety booster cushions, anti-submarining seats etc.
No doubt you like Saabs. I like Volvos and rate them as being better than Saabs. I own two Volvos, one is 42 years old, the other 32 years old. in terms of engineering quality and design, they're way ahead of Saabs of similar vintage. My point is that Volvo has a superior engineering heritage. I take your point as regards the S40. I've a bias towards the older Volvos from the time that they were independent but if you were to bring it to modern terms I don't think much of Saabs current styling direction (Dame Edna has sprung to mind, and the back lights of the 9-5 look very odd).
Its worth noting that Volvo's jet engines powered many of Saab's planes.
Volvo were profitable when Ford bought them and remained so over much of Fords tenure. Saab were losing money when GM bought them and nothing has changed.
Bottom line is that a betting man would be more likely to see a future for Volvo over Saab0 -
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niceirishfella wrote: »Sad news for employees. There was a time when SAAB did bring variety to the marketplace with its models - now, its just bland euroboxes on GM chassis's powered by GM engines.......Boring.
Will we really really miss them as cars? For me, not really.
Personally, I'll miss them for what they were - not what they've become in recent years.
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