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Avenged Sevenfold
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lurrrvs2sp00ge wrote: »look anyblody can just metion a good drummers name, infact that been done quite alot in this thread but it doesnt make the rev a bad drummer. he's an amazing drummer with a very creative style with a technical backround so like him or not, you cant say he's not good
I'm going to leave this here:
Then I'm just gonna put this out there:
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I knew you'd say something like that, and was debating whether to actually post that or not. But unfortunatly I don't have a camera. But I know I can blast as fast as that.
So I shall retract my statement, but if I can prove it Karl, you will be the first to hear about it.
I still stand by my previous point that you cant compare two musicians that play completly different styles.
Nah, you don't have to prove anything, I'm just being cheeky. And honestly, I'm not really seriously comparing anyone, in fact I didn't specifically say one drummer was better than another when I posted those 2 videos. But I suppose if we're to have a more serious discussion about it, then alrighty.
The thing is, I suppose I take issue with the notion that "Anyone can blast", that's like saying anyone can play slow; it's meaningless, unless you think all there is to drumming is a sliding scale of fast/slow. Not that I'm saying that's what you think, but there's blasts and then there's blasts, you know what I mean? Lets take for example, the guy from The Berzerker, and compare him to Pete Sandoval. I'd say they're both extremely fast, but Pete is 10 times better, his drumming has character, dynamics, feeling, whereas the Berzerker drummer is all speed and no substance.
There's a lot of metal drummers who can indeed blast like the best of them, such as Gene Hoglan, Dave Lombardo, Tomas Haake, Richard Christy, Martin Lopez, and many others, who are absolutely incredible, but they're not simply notable because they're fast. There's speed and then there's speed with style, dynamics, and all these drummers are doing something interesting when they're blasting, and doing something just as interesting when they're playing slower. Likewise Trym Torson from Emperor/Zyklon (drummer in the vid I posted earlier), he's a terrific drummer, easily one of my favourites in metal, but not because he's fast. Like so. Tim Yeung is probably faster, but boring as hell.
You say you can play as fast as him, well I don't really doubt that, but playing something at the same speed isn't really anything, is it? Is someone playing the same speed as Sean Reinert going to be playing something as interesting? I'll show you something else, probably my favourite Jazz drummer is Billy Cobham, so listen to the drumming he does before the song there, he's fast as hell, probably faster than a lot of metal drummers, but it's all about the feel of the rolls, just how musical it is.
Don't get me wrong though, we're talking Metal here so speed is awesome, but there's uninteresting, boring speed, and there's speed where it's interesting, musical, and it sounds fantastic.
Now, can you compare drummer who are playing different styles? I guess no more than you can compare apples or oranges, but on the flip side you'll know if you prefer apples or oranges. So I guess while I couldn't really compare Billy Cobham and Trym, I know they both do something I like, that I find really interesting and musical, and something that sets them apart from other in their style. Likewise I think Neil Peart is beyond compare in Rock.
The drummer from Avenged Sevenfold, just strikes me as boring. Now, I gave a listen to the song Beast and the Harlot, but still uninteresting and dull. Fair enough, comparing him to an extreme metal drummer might not be the best, so how does a comparison to Brann Dailor from Mastodon suit? If so, lets compare:
Brann's a drummer who does something I find far, far more interesting than The Rev's boring, metal by numbers drumming.0 -
OK Mega quote post time.
Alrighty then. *lays down gauntlet*:DKarl Hungus wrote: »Nah, you don't have to prove anything, I'm just being cheeky. And honestly, I'm not really seriously comparing anyone, in fact I didn't specifically say one drummer was better than another when I posted those 2 videos. But I suppose if we're to have a more serious discussion about it, then alrighty.
Ok, maybe not everyone can blast. I've seen guy trying to do it, and failing horribly. Perhaps what I should have said was that its not the hardest technique to learn. But mastering it, and getting up to those +220bpm speeds is hard.The thing is, I suppose I take issue with the notion that "Anyone can blast", that's like saying anyone can play slow; it's meaningless, unless you think all there is to drumming is a sliding scale of fast/slow. Not that I'm saying that's what you think, but there's blasts and then there's blasts, you know what I mean? Lets take for example, the guy from The Berzerker, and compare him to Pete Sandoval. I'd say they're both extremely fast, but Pete is 10 times better, his drumming has character, dynamics, feeling, whereas the Berzerker drummer is all speed and no substance.
I've been playing for a good number of years, so I know there is a lot more to it than just fast/slow. Dynamics, timing, tempo, time sigs, aswell as not playing something for the sake of just playing it are all important. Over playing can ruin songs.
That list is a good example of drummers who use the song and can make it more, for lack of a better phrase, rather than just playing what is expected which can get boring after hearing straight out 16ths or 32nds on the bass drums.There's a lot of metal drummers who can indeed blast like the best of them, such as Gene Hoglan, Dave Lombardo, Tomas Haake, Richard Christy, Martin Lopez, and many others, who are absolutely incredible, but they're not simply notable because they're fast. There's speed and then there's speed with style, dynamics, and all these drummers are doing something interesting when they're blasting, and doing something just as interesting when they're playing slower. Likewise Trym Torson from Emperor/Zyklon (drummer in the vid I posted earlier), he's a terrific drummer, easily one of my favourites in metal, but not because he's fast. Like so. Tim Yeung is probably faster, but boring as hell.
I know. I like listening to a couple of jazz drummers here and there. Dave Weckl would probably be one of my favourites. Jazz has more of a freedom than metal or rock. While you can play fast, usaully the fast parts will have dynamics, or will be made more interesting like the start of the Billy Cobham vid. No, speed isnt everything. A lot of jazz drummer's kill could easily surpass a lot of metal drummers in terms of skill, knowledge, technique, speed....You say you can play as fast as him, well I don't really doubt that, but playing something at the same speed isn't really anything, is it? Is someone playing the same speed as Sean Reinert going to be playing something as interesting? I'll show you something else, probably my favourite Jazz drummer is Billy Cobham, so listen to the drumming he does before the song there, he's fast as hell, probably faster than a lot of metal drummers, but it's all about the feel of the rolls, just how musical it is.
I'd have to agree with you there. He's so creative, not just on his big kit, but on a simple 4 piece, like on Malignant Narcissim.Don't get me wrong though, we're talking Metal here so speed is awesome, but there's uninteresting, boring speed, and there's speed where it's interesting, musical, and it sounds fantastic.
Now, can you compare drummer who are playing different styles? I guess no more than you can compare apples or oranges, but on the flip side you'll know if you prefer apples or oranges. So I guess while I couldn't really compare Billy Cobham and Trym, I know they both do something I like, that I find really interesting and musical, and something that sets them apart from other in their style. Likewise I think Neil Peart is beyond compare in Rock.The drummer from Avenged Sevenfold, just strikes me as boring. Now, I gave a listen to the song Beast and the Harlot, but still uninteresting and dull. Fair enough, comparing him to an extreme metal drummer might not be the best, so how does a comparison to Brann Dailor from Mastodon suit? If so, lets compare:
Brann's a drummer who does something I find far, far more interesting than The Rev's boring, metal by numbers drumming.
You're right there. They do play the same type of music, and compared to Brann, the Rev is boring. Brann is a excellent drummer, and you're not sure what he'll play next. He has some crazy hands. Not saying the Rev's not a good drummer, it just doesn't get to show in A7x. And he does have something that a lot of drummers don't. Flare. If you see him in the vids or live he's always doing stick tricks and getting the crowd involved.
How you managed to write that post at 5am is beyond me!:eek::D0 -
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