RTÉ DTT Tests: Mullaghanish

mossie

CorkMaths.ie wrote: »

Must give it a try with rabbit ears, would be great if signal got that strong

Got it too with rabbits ears but as I can see the mast from my window that's no big surprise. I find the picture a little "soft" but otherwise OK, certainly far better than my analogue picture.

CorkMaths.ie

got nothing with rabbit ears but signal was something compared with nothing before. I can get it with a proper uhf aerial with a booster though

mossie

mossie wrote: »

Got it too with rabbits ears but as I can see the mast from my window that's no big surprise. I find the picture a little "soft" but otherwise OK, certainly far better than my analogue picture.

The reason it looks "soft" is because the channels (except RTÉ 2) are being broadcast in half horizontal resolution (544x576). I hope it doesn't stay that way but it has been for months now.

dunleas

CorkMaths.ie wrote: »

got nothing with rabbit ears but signal was something compared with nothing before. I can get it with a proper uhf aerial with a booster though

Have been using the "one for all" rabbits ears since last year, after alot of trial and error discovered I could only get a signal if I reduced the power by 50% or lowered the antenna by half. If the antenna is fully raised or If at full power I get zero. I am located 8 miles from Cork city towards Watergrasshill.

Amplified set-top aerials are virtually useless, the signal-to-noise ratio remains the same as you're amplifying the noise floor as well. I'm using a non-amplified one here for Three Rock and it works fine but for the majority of people out there they will need outdoor aerials.

Antenna

dunleas wrote: »

Have been using the "one for all" rabbits ears since last year, after alot of trial and error discovered I could only get a signal if I reduced the power by 50% or lowered the antenna by half. If the antenna is fully raised or If at full power I get zero. I am located 8 miles from Cork city towards Watergrasshill.

THe telescopic rods on those are not for UHF at all, but are for VHF TV, DAB and FM radio.
Its the loop part that picks up UHF (both analogue UHF and DTT) and should face the transmitter
The fact that it does not work when the in-built amplifier's gain is up to full might suggest overload from a nearby TETRA transmitter for instance.

dunleas

Antenna wrote: »

THe telescopic rods on those are not for UHF at all, but are for VHF TV, DAB and FM radio.
Its the loop part that picks up UHF (both analogue UHF and DTT) and should face the transmitter
The fact that it does not work when the in-built amplifier's gain is up to full might suggest overload from a nearby TETRA transmitter for instance.

Thanks antenna for that detailed response. Initially on setup I tried an 48 Element High Gain UHF Aerial Kit in the attic and got nothing, I stuck a booster on that and still no signal. The "one for all" was stuck in a box so I tried this and after adjusting the position and power got a very good signal. Might try a standard rabbits ears sometime or even revert back to the High Gain which is gathering dust in the attic at present.

Robxxx7

plugged in some rabbit ears for my TV today just to see if i can pick anything up ...

Signals came in at 98%

On RTE 1 and RTE2 just get a message on screen saying 'loading Text' no picture on TV3 or TG4..

Got the EPG aswell

Radio, getting sound on all ok ...

This is on my LG 42LF6 DTV ready TV

sesswhat

You just picked a bad day:)

They are having a good mess around with the DTT feed this afternoon. It might be back to 'normal' this evening.

Robxxx7

Ah OK, will check again later .. thanks

sesswhat

Robxxx7 wrote: »

plugged in some rabbit ears for my TV today just to see if i can pick anything up ...

Signals came in at 98%

On RTE 1 and RTE2 just get a message on screen saying 'loading Text' no picture on TV3 or TG4..

Got the EPG aswell

Radio, getting sound on all ok ...

This is on my LG 42LF6 DTV ready TV

I've just noticed your model number now. I think this is an older model which may not have mpeg4, and if this is the case, you won't have any pictures with Irish DTT anyhow.

Robxxx7

That would be typical 42LF66.... has all the badges on it TNT, DVB etc etc .. but you could be right. May have to look at a seperate box then

pa990

blank screen's on all channels from spur hill and mulla.
Signal strength is still excellent though.
EPG is also blank.

I hope it comes back on soon

pa990

all back on spur and mulla
Tg4 is now a test card
Rte news is now full screen.

The encryption flag is now gone from all channels (previously a chequered box in the info bar on my sony tv)
This encryption symbol had been there for the past year, ie.. Since i got the tv

dunleas

pa990 wrote: »

all back on spur and mulla
Tg4 is now a test card
Rte news is now full screen.

The encryption flag is now gone from all channels (previously a chequered box in the info bar on my sony tv)
This encryption symbol had been there for the past year, ie.. Since i got the tv

No RTE news now its actually RTE1 repeated

pa990

dunleas wrote: »

No RTE news now its actually RTE1 repeated

Ok.. I just tuned in and the news was on.. Presumed it had gone full screen.
Ah well.. RTE NEWS was a very handy service.. Hope it returns (along with someother new tv services)

pa990

rte news back on the air

glog

dowtchaboy wrote: »

I'm in Crosshaven. No sign of DTT yet - I will put up a note as soon as I see anything.
The reason they can't get TV3 is that TV3 never paid for installation of the fill-in transmitters in places like Crosshaven - they just went with the 95% of the population that were covered by the main RTE sites and tough titty on the rest of us. Some people in Crosser can get TV3 by aiming a specific antenna for TV3 up the river (ie west) but it's quite iffy. I can get it upstairs (sometimes) on a rabbits ears, but not downstairs.

Anyway - DTT will solve their problem. All the multiplex is transmitted on the same carrier so if we get RTE1 we'll get 2, TV3, TG4 and RTE News channels.

Are they getting their signal from the Crosshaven transmitter at present? If so they should have absolutely no problem and get a perfectly clear noise-free picture from all 5 channels.

db

Finally got around to getting into my attic to fool around with my DTT STB and aerial (Crosshaven area)
Using a 10 element W/B aerial i picked up a number of Mux's the strongest being CH34.
I have sifted through a lot of this and other forums but cannot determine where this signal is coming from ?
I thought initially it would have to be Mullaghanish but it doesn't appear to be.
Any ideas anyone ?

On a slightly differnt note can anyone tell me the channel numbers or freqs which South Coast are transmitting at from Camden ?

Thianks in advance.

Antenna

glog wrote: »

can anyone tell me the channel numbers or freqs which South Coast are transmitting at from Camden ?

SCTV UHF deflector - Camden, Crosshaven

Ch22 - BBC2
Ch26 - ITV
Ch32 - C4
Ch35 - BBC1
vertical polarisation

This was accurate a few months ago, I assume still is. 2 of these 4 were moved early last year due to DTT tests , 22 was previously 21, and 35 was previously 28

glog

Antenna wrote: »

SCTV UHF - Camden, Crosshaven

Ch22 - BBC2
Ch26 - ITV
Ch32 - C4
Ch35 - BBC1
vertical polarisation

This was accurate a few months ago, I assume still is

Thanks Antenna - I'll check them out.

The DTT at CH34 is still confusing me though

The Cush

glog wrote: »

Finally got around to getting into my attic to fool around with my DTT STB and aerial (Crosshaven area)
Using a 10 element W/B aerial i picked up a number of Mux's the strongest being CH34.
I have sifted through a lot of this and other forums but cannot determine where this signal is coming from ?
I thought initially it would have to be Mullaghanish but it doesn't appear to be.
Any ideas anyone ?

glog wrote: »

Thanks Antenna - I'll check them out.

The DTT at CH34 is still confusing me though

Possibly your own local relay. Channel 34 is planned for Crosshaven, also Three Rock and Mt Leinster at RRC06. I doubt you are receiving the latter two.

The frequency plan for Crosshaven at RRC06 was
Digital: 34, 40, 42, 43, 46, 50, 52, 56
Analogue: 55, 59, 65, 62 (TV3 not operating)

In 2007 Comreg issued a list of Main and Relay sites and their initial four muxes, Crosshaven was on the list of relays with the following channels 45, 49, 66, 68. In 2008 the BCI Guide to Submissions listed the Crosshaven relay as follows 45 (RTÉ Mux), 66 (Mux A), 42 (Mux , 49 (Mux C). With Ch. 61-69 being replanned for the Digital Dividend the latter two lists may be out of date.

You said you were picking up other muxes, which ones? Is Ch. 34 carrying TV channels or just an empty carrier?

glog

Thanks for the info The Cush
CH34 (vertical) is carrying all TV channels (RTE1, RTE2, TV3, TG4, RTE News) and all Radio Stations.
It is a good strong signal.
I can also get weaker signal at CH21 (Mullaghanish i presume) and CH62 (??)

The Cush

glog wrote: »

Thanks for the info The Cush
CH34 (vertical) is carrying all TV channels (RTE1, RTE2, TV3, TG4, RTE News) and all Radio Stations.
It is a good strong signal.
I can also get weaker signal at CH21 (Mullaghanish i presume) and CH62 (??)

Good to see the relays being rolled out.

Yes Ch. 21 is Mullaghanish.

Ch. 62 at Crosshaven is the unused TV3 frequency, are they testing on it?

Ch. 62 is also allocated to Castletownbere, Clonmel and Dungarvan in the the Munster region.

glog

The Cush wrote: »

Good to see the relays being rolled out.

Yes Ch. 21 is Mullaghanish.

Ch. 62 at Crosshaven is the unused TV3 frequency, are they testing on it?

Ch. 62 is also allocated to Castletownbere, Clonmel and Dungarvan in the the Munster region.

I think the signal I am seeing at CH62 is probably Dungarvan.

dowtchaboy

Getting a good signal indoors in Crosshaven on ch 34 (578MHz) on my laptop with a short stubby aerial. RTE 1, 2 and TG4 but RTE NL testcard only on TV3. Tried tuning but nothing else turns up. Pretty sure it must be the Crosshaven Tx up at Goat's Cross. I'll try to nip up there tomorrow to confirm it. There was nothing at all on that same setup a week ago.

My software (VLC) is reporting lots of other video, subtitle and audio streams - unfortunately I can't copy the info to ask what it means.

John mac

dowtchaboy wrote: »

I can't copy the info to ask what it means.

print screen button. then past it into word or paint.

dowtchaboy

John mac wrote: »

print screen button. then past it into word or paint.

Thanks - but this ends up as a screen image rather than editable text - I'd be posting up 10 or more screens! I'm going to have a play with some other media control software (MediaPortal and ProgDVB) so let's see what access these will give.

dunleas

Is it just me or is it down today everywhere?

The Cush

dunleas wrote: »

Is it just me or is it down today everywhere?

No problem here (Mullaghanish & Woodcock Hill), must be you.

dunleas

all back now think my mvision is acting up-thanks.

galtee boy

Mitchelstown Relay DTT UP AND RUNNING ?

I have been getting DTT perfect on CH21 from Mullaghanish since the tests started, but I did a scan today and now I'm also getting a perfect 10 out of 10 DTT signal on CH40 also. The only place I have an aerial pointing to other than Mullaghanish, is to the Mitchelstown local relay for analogue. Does anybody know the allocated DTT frequencies for Mitchelstown ? and if it's not from there, where is DTT on CH40 coming from ?

pa990

dunno.. Spur hill is ch45.
Mulla is ch21.

I'm sure someone will post soon with info on where ch 40 is coming from

The Cush

galtee boy wrote: »

Mitchelstown Relay DTT UP AND RUNNING ?

I have been getting DTT perfect on CH21 from Mullaghanish since the tests started, but I did a scan today and now I'm also getting a perfect 10 out of 10 DTT signal on CH40 also. The only place I have an aerial pointing to other than Mullaghanish, is to the Mitchelstown local relay for analogue. Does anybody know the allocated DTT frequencies for Mitchelstown ? and if it's not from there, where is DTT on CH40 coming from ?

Appears to be Mitchelstown all right. Ch 40 together with Chs 43, 46, 50 are planned for DTT at Mitchelstown in addition to the existing analogue allocations 41, 44, 51 and the unused TV3 allocation 47.

Ch 40 is also planned for DTT at Crosshaven and Mt Gabriel in the region.

galtee boy

The Cush wrote: »

Appears to be Mitchelstown all right. Ch 40 together with Chs 43, 46, 50 are planned for DTT at Mitchelstown in addition to the existing analogue allocations 41, 44, 51 and the unused TV3 allocation 47.

Ch 40 is also planned for DTT at Crosshaven and Mt Gabriel in the region.

Where I am, I wouldn't have a hope of picking up either Crosshaven or Mt.Gabriel, so it's definitely Mitchelstown alright.
It must be full steam ahead for that October 2010 launch, when the relay for a relatively small town like Mitchelstown is powered up for DTT already. Well done RTE NL, starting to get spoiled for choice of DTT signal sources now !
I wonder are there other relays for smaller towns powered up already, but nobody has noticed yet ?
Thanks for the channel number info Cush.

TheDriver

Bandon relay doesn't seem to be although we had an outage for a day last week so maybe on the cards too.

lucernarian

The Cush wrote: »

Appears to be Mitchelstown all right. Ch 40 together with Chs 43, 46, 50 are planned for DTT at Mitchelstown in addition to the existing analogue allocations 41, 44, 51 and the unused TV3 allocation 47.

Ch 40 is also planned for DTT at Crosshaven and Mt Gabriel in the region.

I've found it next to impossible to get a copy of all the allocations for transmitters under RRC-06, in particular the Digital allocations. Where are you getting the information from? It would be handy for me to have a look at that info.

The Cush

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

I've found it next to impossible to get a copy of all the allocations for transmitters under RRC-06, in particular the Digital allocations. Where are you getting the information from? It would be handy for me to have a look at that info.

IRL RRC-06 digital assignments and allotments attached. Previously downloaded from the ITU website - password protected these days.

Planning software from RRC-06 is still available from the ITU website (large file) should have all the data within.

pa990

tv is stalling on ch 66 & 68 when tuning in on spur hill.
I wonder is something there without a network id table or is tetra using there freq's ?

Antenna

pa990 wrote: »

tv is stalling on ch 66 & 68 when tuning in on spur hill.
I wonder is something there without a network id table or is tetra using there freq's ?

They are 'Blank DTT MUXs' from Spur Hill along with another one on 49 too on in recent days. All in addition to the RTE Mux on 45.

They were testing the 49,66,68 again for periods of time recently (don't think they had been on for a long time), though I think switch them off after 6PM approx

I heard someone who receives a deflector retransmisson of BBC on an adjacent channel to one of these 'blank MUXes' (Spur Hill DTT very strong at the location) say reception of it was 'very snowy' yesterday afternoon, but was OK again after about 6PM yesterday!

pa990

Antenna wrote: »

They are 'Blank DTT MUXs' from Spur Hill along with another one on 49 too on in recent days. All in addition to the RTE Mux on 45.

They were testing the 49,66,68 again for periods of time recently (don't think they had been on for a long time), though I think switch them off after 6PM approx

I heard someone who receives a deflector retransmisson of BBC on an adjacent channel to one of these 'blank MUXes' (Spur Hill DTT very strong at the location) say reception of it was 'very snowy' yesterday afternoon, but was OK again after about 6PM yesterday!

Cool.. Thanks

I thought anything over ch60 was off limits, due to reallocation of freq for mobile's etc

The Cush

pa990 wrote: »

Cool.. Thanks

I thought anything over ch60 was off limits, due to reallocation of freq for mobile's etc

DTT is being rolled out under the existing plan, a revised plan is being developed by ComReg, the BAI and RTE including Ofcom where necessary.

pa990

second audio on RTENL test channel on both spur hill and mullaghanish
Audio is listed as "NAR" and is in irish.

Stinicker

RTÉ is now showing up on both my Panasonics G10L and G10B as RTÉ instead of the previous RT1 etc and they now have the fada broadcasting.

Stinicker

A new channel appeared from Mullaghanish today "RTNL2" on my Panny G10L. Its showing no sound or video just a black picture. 6 Channels now from Mullaghanish. Radio unchanged.

The Cush

Stinicker wrote: »

A new channel appeared from Mullaghanish today "RTNL2" on my Panny G10L. Its showing no sound or video just a black picture. 6 Channels now from Mullaghanish. Radio unchanged.

It been there since yesterday (also Woodcock Hill). Appears to be network wide. First reported yesterday afternoon.

pa990

is the 2nd test channel showing a test card?
All i'm getting is a black screen and a clicking noise.
All other channels are ok

The Cush

pa990 wrote: »

is the 2nd test channel showing a test card?
All i'm getting is a black screen and a clicking noise.
All other channels are ok

Blank screen for me too, both Mullaghanish and Woodcock Hill. The clicking noise is only there when I enter the guide otherwise I get "Selected programme is not tuned" on my Sony V4500.

Mayo Exile

The Cush wrote: »

Blank screen for me too, both Mullaghanish and Woodcock Hill. The clicking noise is only there when I enter the guide otherwise I get "Selected programme is not tuned" on my Sony V4500.

Yes, same up here too at Clermont Carn with a Sony W4000 and also a V4500. Are those who were getting pictures (jobyrne30) on this channel still getting them with their model of TV I wonder? I suppose as its a test some TV's are getting a picture and others are not.

Sam Russell

Mayo Exile wrote: »

I suppose as its a test some TV's are getting a picture and others are not.

Could it be that only Dublin TVs are getting a picture at the moment, as the test card has 'Baille Ath Cliath' across it?

Perhaps they are testing regional feeds.

Mayo Exile

Sam Russell wrote: »

Could it be that only Dublin TVs are getting a picture at the moment, as the test card has 'Baille Ath Cliath' across it?

Perhaps they are testing regional feeds.

jobyrne30 says he was getting this testcard from Mt. Leinster.