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CiDeRmAn

Funny thing is though, aside from the awfulness that is Gunstar Heroes, that Mario Galaxy could have been done, in theory, on the Gamecube, and conversely on the similarly powered Xbox and PS2.
And Sony and MS never came up with anything as wonderful as Mario Sunshine/Galaxy. they tried gods bless them, Sly Raccoon, awful Crash sequels, Blinx, none holding a candle to Shigsys work of genius.
So, if you want to bash the latter 3D Mario titles for not being as good as Mario64 then go right ahead, it only throws into sharp relief how incredible Mario64 was to begin with.



One question though, why, given that Mario 64 was happy to live on the DS, why oh why hasn't Zelda OoT not made the move?
I would be first in line to buy it if it popped up for sale, in physical form or as a download from the DSi store.

BLITZ_Molloy

Hey, Insomnia.ac write a pretty convincing argument for why Gunstar Heroes isn't the best thing ever.

http://insomnia.ac/reviews/megadrive/gunstarheroes/

From a gameplay balance point of view I think it's probably fair to say Gunstar Super Heroes is the better game. The weapons system is more balance. I still prefer the first game though for sheer fun. The 2nd one feels like more like an Alien Soldier sequel, which seemed a bit more dry and technical.

There are also lots of people who dislike Donkey Kong Country. I always found it pretty boring and the art style while impressive at the time is rather ugly in retrospect.

Retr0gamer

I'm sorry but that article really just missed the point of the whole game. Expert mode is only for experts, normal is quite manageable and hard is for people that want to experience a decent challenge once they mastered normal. No mention of the game adding new attack patterns up until Hard mode so the game plays a little differently each time? Also, so what if some weapon combinations are imbalanced. It still takes a huge amount of skill to become proficient in the use of the two best weapons. One is incredibly short ranged and the other needs the player to stay stationary. Does the game not add more replayability in that you have another 14 weapons that you can go through the game with?

Unavoidable damage? You're just **** mate but at least the game caters to you with a health meter. A game isn't automatically crap because it isn't 1 hit kill. Calling it a euroshooter is stupid. It may have a health system but the tight design and good boss battles are 100% japanese design philosophy.

Whats with the score? I never found myself caring about it. Also never saw anything wrong with the respawning enemies. Strange that this has been a staple of the genre since Contra. It's not even game breaking it just keeps the action constant. Total moot point. There's also criticism of the optional moves in the game that advanced players can use but are totally unnecessary. They are included to add a bit more flare, just because he can't use them he should complain about them because they are totally unnecessary to the enjoyment of the game. The game is full of some of the greatest bosses ever and one of the most fluid play experiences of the 16-bit generation, why only a small paragraph at the end? It just stinks of someone going against the grain just for controversies sake.

I also was very disappointed with Gunstar Super Heroes and would say it was average at best. Boss design was veyr poor with boss battles lasting from 20-60 seconds which is a disgrace. Sometimes they were dead before they could start any of their attack patterns. There were some really poorly designed levels. The fake 3D levels served no purpose other than to show off what the programmers could do with the hardware and the top down helicopter section was a disgrace of bad level design. The weapon system was also a very poor compared to the original. Instead of 20 weapons you got 3 which all did basically the same thing. I don't care if you think having less weapons makes it more balanced but the three weapons are interchangeable or worse, completely useless, with no real benefits for using a different one. Contra Shattered Soldier did the 3 weapons thing a whole lot better with 3 weapons and their secondary fire modes all needing to be used in different situations.

I think what it comes down to is that Gunstar Heroes is just plain fun and one of the best two player experiences. Try to name a better run and gunner and you can't. Some come close but Gunstar Heroes is just better, although that sounds a bit arrogant I'll stand by it until proven wrong.

Rant over

appleidog

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm still not convinced the DKC games are great. They are okay platformers wrapped up in stunning graphics for their time. Just started listening to retronauts and the guys on that seem to echo my sentiments except they think they are just ****.

Actually was just play dkc2 on GBA, and what a crap game the series is! the Gameboy original was not bad now, but really overrated series.

And i'm currently playing Panzeer dragoon on saturn fantastic game.

Retr0gamer

appleidog wrote: »

And i'm currently playing Panzeer dragoon on saturn fantastic game.

The first game? I think it's dated terribly. The nasty sprite reflections look awful and the 20fps the game is locked to hurts the eyes. Looks rubbish now and the last level is a bit too tough for it's own good.

I think the series comes into it's own in Panzer Dragoon Zwei. The soundtrack develops it's unique sound that remained through the series, the game runs at a smoother 30 fps, the art style gets better, the plot thickens and it's just a damn fine rail shooter. I've said enough about Saga and Orta I think but well both games are awesome.

Retr0gamer

BLITZ_Molloy wrote: »

Hey, Insomnia.ac write a pretty convincing argument for why Gunstar Heroes isn't the best thing ever.

http://insomnia.ac/reviews/megadrive/gunstarheroes/

From a gameplay balance point of view I think it's probably fair to say Gunstar Super Heroes is the better game. The weapons system is more balance. I still prefer the first game though for sheer fun. The 2nd one feels like more like an Alien Soldier sequel, which seemed a bit more dry and technical.

I'm still not finished with you.

I think I've made my feelings clear on what I think of Edge magazine. Edge magazine are creeps. Treasure as a company are gentlemen, class acts, rebels and they stand up to bullies. If you're going to quote gutter videogame journalism then you can do it on your own. As for that review you linked to, I'll tell you who wrote it. The webmaster of insomnia.ac wrote it, a man that ran off on his wife for a young one!

romperstomper

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm still not finished with you.

I think I've made my feelings clear on what I think of Edge magazine. Edge magazine are creeps. Treasure as a company are gentlemen, class acts, rebels and they stand up to bullies. If you're going to quote gutter videogame journalism then you can do it on your own. As for that review you linked to, I'll tell you who wrote it. The webmaster of insomnia.ac wrote it, a man that ran off on his wife for a young one!

thanks for that dunphy. whats next, 'he's a rebel, a class act' etc.......


someone's personal life has NOTHING got to do with their ability to do their job. maradona did booze, drugs, women to excess and remained the greatest footballer of his generation (and many would say ever).

do you think his name has an asterisk beside it to point to the fact that his personal life wasn't perfect? nope. know why? cos it doesn't matter

i have to compliment you on your small mindedness though. i thought it went out with de 'pol pot' velara

and before you dig up the dirt on me in response to my post, i'll freely admit to sharing maradonna's vices

CiDeRmAn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm still not finished with you.

I think I've made my feelings clear on what I think of Edge magazine. Edge magazine are creeps. Treasure as a company are gentlemen, class acts, rebels and they stand up to bullies. If you're going to quote gutter videogame journalism then you can do it on your own. As for that review you linked to, I'll tell you who wrote it. The webmaster of insomnia.ac wrote it, a man that ran off on his wife for a young one!

You've got a Gunstar Heroes tattoo, haven't you!
Or, you have a strange Treasure fetish! Come on, tell the truth!

Don't believe Edge magazine is gutter journalism, they have always said that they really love Treasures output as can be seen in a recent retrospective on Freak Out, they break Treasures back catalog into several categories, some awesome, some inspired failures.
I don't want to revisit this topic AGAIN, but I don't think they are any more or less "corrupt" than the bulk of grown up games mags, and they are ahead of GamesTM IMHO as well, that mag just seems to take Edges reviews and rehash the score, which Warhammer Fire Warrior, I loved that game but Edge gave it a fairly low score. Yet they give high scores to many turn based games, like Civ or C&C and I hate those things, so, when it comes to players, it's incredibly subjective.

When it comes to a dev like Treasure, some folk seem to get incredibly protective, this is unfortunate, not sure why reaction should be so agressive to the relatively low scoring of one of their games.
I don't know, they did include Gunstar Heroes in their list of the best 100 games to play back in their 100th issue, if that makes up for anything?

BLITZ_Molloy

Edge often make reference to how bad the Gunstar Heroes review was. I'd agree, but thats because it criticises the game for all the wrong reasons rather than the fact they've given it 6/10. Now they try and gush about how good it was at every available opportunity.

I think Josh (he's a SegaFan website guy, it's just been republished on Insomnia) makes some fair points. Alot of the flaws in the game don't bother me to the same extent they do Josh but it's refreshing to see them pointed out.

Retr0gamer

Well my rant should be taken with a pince of salt

Gunstar Heroes is a big part of my childhood. I was always disappointed that I had gotten a Megadrive rather than a SNES but Gunstar Heroes made up for that and I played it religiously.

However I really did think Gunstar Super Heroes was poor. I don't think Treasure are infallible, Gunstar Super Heroes proves that and Freakout is a load of ****. Even the creators of Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga produced the uninspired Silpheed. However I do really look forward to their latest games because when they get it right they produce some of the greatest games ever.

I'm not going to go into Edge magazine. My main two problems with them is how arrogantly they defend the Halo 2 and 3 scores (don't mind Halo 1 since it was mind blowing at the time and everyone was carried away with the hype at the time) and the other reason is I find it a really boring read. I've stopped getting Games TM as well because i find myself being bored by them as well trying to be Edge lite. I wish there was a magazine out there like Arcade or the old future publishing magazines. There was a genuine love of games in those and a sense of fun. The only ones that come close are N-gamer which is unfortunately not multiformat and retrogamer which I can only get when I head into dublin.

appleidog

First off Treasure are great, Not the best by any means, they have sold out a bit especially with the Gba Games they put out.

Guardian heroes advance what a piece of garbage
Silpheed exactly
Gunstar super heroes another piece of garbage.


To be honest im alot more excited on Behemoth's games coming out then treasure's, I mean Treasure is good but under the direction of Sega?:eek::(

And edge sure edge is a bit biased, but there Original Retro Series 10 Magazines around 2003-2004 are amazing some of the best Retro information there is.

Retr0gamer

I thought the Behemoths output has been utter crud. I went out of my way and imported Alien Hominid and thought it was one of the worst Contra clones I've ever played. I breezed through it without seeing the game over screen and between the unimaginative bosses and levels it wasn't much fun at all. Castle Crashers is a similar story. I didn't think much of the demo and when I did play the game in a mates that was singing it's praise it felt like a very poor clone of streets of rage or any of the CPS1 scrolling fighters. I'd rather fire up an emulator with simpsons arcade or Alien vs. Predator since they are much better games.

Anyway Sega are only publishing treasures games not supervising them and they have released some great games under Sega already, Astro boy being one. They may not be the best or dependable but they are a team that have created the best run and gunner and 3 of the greatest shmups ever in Gradius V, Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga and one of the greatest rail shooters in Sin and Punishment not to mention their output under Konami before the formation of Treasure so it's no wonder I get a little excited.

appleidog

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I thought the Behemoths output has been utter crud. I went out of my way and imported Alien Hominid and thought it was one of the worst Contra clones I've ever played. I breezed through it without seeing the game over screen and between the unimaginative bosses and levels it wasn't much fun at all. Castle Crashers is a similar story. I didn't think much of the demo and when I did play the game in a mates that was singing it's praise it felt like a very poor clone of streets of rage or any of the CPS1 scrolling fighters. I'd rather fire up an emulator with simpsons arcade or Alien vs. Predator since they are much better games.

Anyway Sega are only publishing treasures games not supervising them and they have released some great games under Sega already, Astro boy being one. They may not be the best or dependable but they are a team that have created the best run and gunner and 3 of the greatest shmups ever in Gradius V, Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga and one of the greatest rail shooters in Sin and Punishment not to mention their output under Konami before the formation of Treasure so it's no wonder I get a little excited.

Run and Gun/shooters that goes to Nazca/Irem

In The hunt
Metal slug

Treasure are Good but they are not the best, ikaruga is good though there are better like Otocky for example by Nintendo

Retr0gamer

appleidog wrote: »

Run and Gun/shooters that goes to Nazca/Irem

In The hunt
Metal slug

Treasure are Good but they are not the best, ikaruga is good though there are better like Otocky for example by Nintendo

Well Metal Slug is arguably better but for me Gunstar Heroes edges it.

I never said Ikaruga was the best, it's one of the best though. However Radiant Silvergun and Gradius V are the best shmups ever

Never heard of Otocky?

appleidog

Otocky Is made by MR. lwai from Electroplankton fame and is a famicom Disk only game its a musical shooter, one of the best reasons to get a famicom disk system well that and Mario 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi284fg_hQs

Retr0gamer

appleidog wrote: »

Otocky Is made by MR. lwai from Electroplankton fame and is a famicom Disk only game its a musical shooter, one of the best reasons to get a famicom disk system well that and Mario 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi284fg_hQs

FYP
Okay that looks weird. I really don't think it could beat Gradius V though.

BLITZ_Molloy

I really, really loved Gradius V. It was fantastic. The only criticism I'd have is the levels are so long. I was able to play it for 30 or 40 minutes before I got to stage 5 and 6 where I kept dying. I'd have liked if they'd kept it more arcadey in structure, instead of like a console shmup so I didn't have to cruise through all the easier levels for ages before I made a few stupid mistakes and died. It's kind of hard to play a game as stressful as a shmup for more than 45 minutes because of the concentration.

There are so many different styles of shmup it tends to come down to personal preference which ones best. I personally like Psikyos Strikers 1945: II the best. But lots of people swear by Cave. I wouldn't know because I haven't played the more recent ones. I'm not quite hardcore enough to get into PCB collecting and none of our ****ty Irish arcades will buy anything that isn't Tekken, a lightgun or driving game.

Treasure are bloody wonderful but they're not necessarily better at making games in each genre as the specialist developers who work only within that genre. I still love them to bits though.

CiDeRmAn

In The Hunt, my fave shooter ever!
Well, that and Geometry Wars 2
and
Tempest 2000
and
Galaga
and
R-Type Final (Ok, I just put that in to upset Retrogamer again!)
and
my fave of all
Rez, my PS2 and DC copies are great but Rez HD gets the prize for being, well, HD!

Retrogamer (the mag) are advertising a cool CD format of all their back issues, just the thing for you Retrogamer (the person).

And, I still love Fire Warrior, anyone else play it?
That and ColdWinter two of the most under-rated FPS's out there, got tons of fun from both, Coldwinter being the closest thing to singleplayer GoldenEye I have yet to play.

o1s1n

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

In The Hunt, my fave shooter ever!

I'm a huge Metal Slug fan and for some reason I still haven't played that.

appleidog

:eek: How could you not, I have it on Saturn, PSone & window 95 pc:D that is how much im Crazy for it, i Remember a while back i was reading a magazine an old ps1 magazine that gave it 2% out of 100 i was furious i was going to phone them and thought how crazy would i sound giving out to a magazine that did a review on a game 8 years ago.

But seriously the best Shooter you can find, truly a work of art. I love irem it is also like gunforce the style anyway and ofcourse Metal slug.

97i9y3941

metal slug fan here too,*have it on saturn too*recently played the anthology collection on the ps2,despite its short comings its still worth a blast i think

o1s1n

appleidog wrote: »

i Remember a while back i was reading a magazine an old ps1 magazine that gave it 2% out of 100 i was furious i was going to phone them and thought how crazy would i sound giving out to a magazine that did a review on a game 8 years ago.

LOL!
Ah man, you really should have done that. Classic stuff.

I was going to buy a PCB of that and Gunforce 2 a little while back. Thought that seeing as I haven't played them at all, I might as well pop this NAZCA cherry on the real deal!

appleidog

I thought that the Ps2 port was awful, so awful that it should be burnt on a fire with E.T on atari.

I myself have had it on Saturn and Mvs, both really nice one thing i love about the saturn version is that you can get the soundtrack from the CD.

appleidog

o1s1n wrote: »

LOL!
Ah man, you really should have done that. Classic stuff.

I was going to buy a PCB of that and Gunforce 2 a little while back. Thought that seeing as I haven't played them at all, I might as well pop this NAZCA cherry on the real deal!

I remember trying to get a cab sent from the states over to London would of cost a arm and a leg + 1 giant sea turtle to travel the thing, And was gonna lay down the cash for a real Cab, and the guy couldn't find the PCB.
Still looking for one though.