Banned from Soccer forum for "thanks"

GuanYin

Daithi McGee wrote: »

Pay more attention when banning people tbh.

Feelings are involved.

Pfft noone cares about my feelings.

Daithi McGee

The Muppet wrote: »

Now I is confused

It is not like you are being arrested, Just we are putting the cuffs on and putting you in a cell.

More a relocation.

GuanYin

GuanYin wrote: »

Just FYI.

I didn't ban pighead. I didn't even see the issue until a user complained. At that point, as far as I know, Pighead had admitted that he meant the post as abuse towards the user. So we had abuse + intent = ban.

Hence the ban stood and he got a red card.

For what its worth, you agreed with the rules, when you saw the big red card, knew that Xavi had banned Pighead and still thanked the post, you took matters out of anyones hands.

You can whinge all you like and blame me. There are many ways to protest, deliberately breaking the rules to see how I'll react and then coplaining when I ban you is just childish. If you don't want to come back to soccer, that is up to you.

Noone forced you to act as you have.

I find it laughable that you of all people are talking about childishness after the little OTT-gate incident where u got in a strop and closed the OTT thread over something that happened in here. You acted the drama queen there and were willing to kill everyone elses fun cos YOU weren't happy. I find it laughable that you talk about childishness when you treat the soccer forum as your own personal self important power trip by applying a whole load of stupid rules (see soccer off Topic Thread 3 1st post.....I agree with many of them but some of them are just being petty for the sake of it). You almost killed the fun of the old OTT thread with your constant complaining about pretty much everything anytime the banter got going despite the fact that the other mods had said nothing about any of the issues you moaned about.

As far as I'm concerned the "Thanks" feature is taken with a pinch of salt. I also thought Pigheads post was absolutely hilarious. I spilled my tea when I read it the first time. I would have thanked it but I had no thanks left. Then I saw this thread and figured why not, I mean you probably would have caught me for something sooner or later right

I wouldn't even mind the removal of rights. Its the come crawling back that I don't like. Yea we deliberately breached charter and knew we'd get a ban but as usual you are not satisfied with that. You are caught up enough in your own power as it is without me bowing to you for your own ego. Like I said, no thanks.

Daithi McGee

GuanYin wrote: »

Pfft noone cares about my feelings.

They do really Simon

The Muppet

GuanYin wrote: »

I didn't edit the automated response boards generates.


You know you all act like this and then wonder why we have to put such rules in place to begin with.

*shakes head*

Just joking with you, lighten up it's only the internet,

I nearly forgot that the woe's of the soccer forum are all my fault, Thanks for the reminder.:)

Daysha

GuanYin, it's obvious by now that you've made your feelings known as to why you've removed access for new posters who thanked the post,

But can you please explain to us why a full weeks ban was given to the original 6 who thanked the post? The overwhelming majority of us here feel that was a bit harsh, and a simple infraction would have sufficed.

Chucky the tree

GuanYin wrote: »

You know you all act like this and then wonder why we have to put such rules in place to begin with.

Who's idea is it to put these rules in place? I always found it strange how all the issues with the forum are due to rules that it seems you put in place. I'd be curious to know that do all changes to the charter/the rules in the OTT get put to a vote amongst all the soccer mods?

GuanYin

deise59 wrote: »

GuanYin, it's obvious by now that you've made your feelings known as to why you've removed access for new posters who thanked the post,

But can you please explain to us why a full weeks ban was given to the original 6 who thanked the post? The overwhelming majority of us here feel that was a bit harsh, and a simple infraction would have sufficed.

They thanked an abusive post. Just because it was comical doesn't mean it wasn't intended. The poster in question admitted intent.

Just because something is a bit funny doesn't mean the rules go out the window.

I could do that and then the next time someone gets nasty they'll point to the last time when we didn't ban and we'll get a feedback thread about how the rules are inconsistant.

mike65

For the night thats in it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16u0wwCfoJ4

Charlie

GuanYin wrote: »

I could do that and then the next time someone gets nasty they'll point to the last time when we didn't ban and we'll get a feedback thread about how the rules are inconsistant.

Unlikely. I think the majority of us would appreciate the application of common sense and fairness. I think that's what the majority of us seek.

That, and to be treated as contributors, and not 'privilege seekers'.

Xavi6

redout wrote: »

Nice to see some of the soccer lads on here showing solidarity. Viva La Revolucion brothers !

Revolution my hoop :rolleyes:

Ludo wrote: »

Did the mod even "get" the joke? I do seem to recall a certain soccer mod saying in the past that he had no interest in soccer at all. Is this what happened? Mod doesn't know enough about the subject he is modding to get a joke and as a result completely over-reacts?

Hello sir, you have just failed at presuming.

I banned Pighead because his albeit clever parody was an attempt to gloss over what was personal abuse.

As I said on the thread, I couldn't give a flying fuck who he was quoting or what sort of disguise he was putting on it. It was abuse and warrants a ban. That's a fact.

As for those thanking the post, I issued an on thread warning for people to drop and not refer to it in any way again. I did it twice infact. Yet we have people thanking the post after which is basically a two fingered salute to my on thread warning. Cheers for the respect boys.

The Muppet

GuanYin wrote: »

They thanked an abusive post. Just because it was comical doesn't mean it wasn't intended. The poster in question admitted intent.

Just because something is a bit funny doesn't mean the rules go out the window.

I could do that and then the next time someone gets nasty they'll point to the last time when we didn't ban and we'll get a feedback thread about how the rules are inconsistant.

Even if Pighead did intend to be abusive the users banned for thanking the post were not to know that and so were not knowingly thanking an abusive post.

Daysha

GuanYin wrote: »

They thanked an abusive post. Just because it was comical doesn't mean it wasn't intended. The poster in question admitted intent.

Just because Pighead admitted intent doesn't mean the posters who thanked the post feel the same thing.

GuanYin wrote: »

Just because something is a bit funny doesn't mean the rules go out the window.

I never said they did.

GuanYin wrote: »

I could do that and then the next time someone gets nasty they'll point to the last time when we didn't ban and we'll get a feedback thread about how the rules are inconsistant.

So you think the banning (or whatever you're calling it) of 15 people is a better solution than the fear of another feedback thread?

I'll say it once more. There is no need for a week ban for someone who may simply have found humour in the post. I found it funny once I understood the joke, tons of posters in this topic found it funny, and even one of your fellow mods of the soccer forum said it was "hilarious".

Common sense has to prevail here.

Xavi6

Xavi6 wrote: »

As for those thanking the post, I issued an on thread warning for people to drop and not refer to it in any way again. I did it twice infact. Yet we have people thanking the post after which is basically a two fingered salute to my on thread warning. Cheers for the respect boys.

I saw the post and didn't read on after cos I was in work earlier.


I saw it again after in isolation through Des' link. I didn't see your warnings. You know well that i respect you dude. For all the ribbings we gave u when u got soccer mod, u know that we all supported you 100%

Sherifu

Why wasn't the post deleted from the start?

Thanks for the ban GY. I do think you like banning people tbh.

Soccer forum has been a joke lately.

GuanYin

The Muppet wrote: »

Even if Pighead did intend to be abusive the users banned for thanking the post were not to know that and so were not knowingly thanking an abusive post.

Except for the big red card beside the thread and Xavi's posted warnings.

Sherifu wrote:

Soccer forum has been a joke lately.

Is that aimed at me? I've been AWOL from modding for nearly 2 months.

Listen, the 15 posters knowingly and purposefully broke the rules (although only, it seems, because of who they thought issued them). Even if we changed the rule tomorrow, they're staying out for a week.

Charlie

Xavi6 wrote: »

As for those thanking the post, I issued an on thread warning for people to drop and not refer to it in any way again. I did it twice infact. Yet we have people thanking the post after which is basically a two fingered salute to my on thread warning. Cheers for the respect boys.

You've changed.

RoundTower

Ludo wrote: »

PigHeads post was a class piss take...funniest thing I have seen on here in a long time and should be post of the day. I can understand why the mod banned him but to ban the people who thanked him is a joke.

Did the mod even "get" the joke? I do seem to recall a certain soccer mod saying in the past that he had no interest in soccer at all. Is this what happened? Mod doesn't know enough about the subject he is modding to get a joke and as a result completely over-reacts?

I'm not up with all the drama but would this be the same mod that this post was about?

hotspur wrote:

I think if there's a lesson here is that someone who is a mod of the paranormal forum shouldn't be allowed within 500 yards of being a mod of the soccer forum irrespective of gender. You'll notice in this thread that the people backing her up are mods of the paranormal or paganism type forums. I imagine being a mod of the soccer forum requires having a bit more "cop on" than you are likely to get from the "ghosts are real, btw I'm a witch brigade".

GuanYin it is abundantly clear to anyone reading your language in this thread with a neutral eye that your attitude reeks of a power trip, talking about privileges versus rights etc. Grow up / get laid / find something in your life which genuinely empowers you so you don't have to annoy others by sublimating your obvious profound sense of disenfranchisement. Posting a picture in an ott soccer forum thread obviously isn't your issue, find out what is so you can let other people enjoy more freedom of expression. You have a psychological issue with this which is clear from your language. Resolve that and you'll be a better mod and person.

Xavi6

Deleted User wrote: »

I saw the post and didn't read on after cos I was in work earlier.


I saw it again after in isolation through Des' link. I didn't see your warnings. You know well that i respect you dude. For all the ribbings we gave u when u got soccer mod, u know that we all supported you 100%

Sorry man but it's kick in the teeth to see people here circling the wagons and martyring themselves over what was a perfectly correct decision as per the charter of the forum.

Respect works both ways between mods and users, but with the way people are talking to GY on this thread it's clear that some people only work one way.

Sherifu wrote: »

Why wasn't the post deleted from the start?

To stop the inevitable "Why was Pighead banned?" questions.

Charlie wrote: »

You've changed.

I don't see how

redout

Xavi6 wrote: »

As for those thanking the post, I issued an on thread warning for people to drop and not refer to it in any way again. I did it twice infact. Yet we have people thanking the post after which is basically a two fingered salute to my on thread warning. Cheers for the respect boys.

Yes you did and I read it and stopped as you requested.

GuanYin wrote: »

Except for the big red card beside the thread and Xavi's posted warnings.

Yes Xavi warned us. I abided by Xavi6 warning yet you still came and banned me after ?

Xavi6

redout wrote: »

Yes Xavi warned us. I abided by Xavi6 warning yet you still came and banned me after ?

Did you remove your thanks after the warning was issued on thread?

Chucky the tree

Xavi6 wrote: »

Revolution my hoop :rolleyes:





Hello sir, you have just failed at presuming.

I banned Pighead because his albeit clever parody was an attempt to gloss over what was personal abuse.

As I said on the thread, I couldn't give a flying fuck who he was quoting or what sort of disguise he was putting on it. It was abuse and warrants a ban. That's a fact.

As for those thanking the post, I issued an on thread warning for people to drop and not refer to it in any way again. I did it twice infact. Yet we have people thanking the post after which is basically a two fingered salute to my on thread warning. Cheers for the respect boys.

So if the users of the soccer forum have a problem with a rule they are told to shut up about it and are not allowed discuss it? Respect indeed.

Iago

My first reaction on getting the PM was disbelief, and a sure sense that there had been a mistake. I honestly couldn't think of anything I'd done that warranted not just a ban but a removal of rights to post in a forum.

When I saw this feedback thread I realised that although, imho, the punishment far outweighed the crime there was no doubt the crime had been committed. In my defence I will state that I thanked the post for the Saipan reference and before pighead admitted it was personal abuse or Xavi6 put a warning on thread (which I only became aware of after I received the PM and checked this thread). In addition when I log in from work (which I was when I thanked the post) I can't see menu systems or red/yellow cards due to whatever proxy or security they are using.

This is the first time in the 7 or so years I've been posting on this site that I've even been noticed by a mod and again in my opinion I feel that the punishment is a little harsh to say the least. but the rules are there and I albeit completely inadvertently broke them, so unless I'm willing and able to step up and moderate a forum (which I'm not) I have to live with the rules and associated punishments I guess.

I'm not sure whether I'll bother applying for access again, but that's a decision down to me rather than being forced on me by anyone.

mayordenis

Chucky the tree wrote: »

So if the users of the soccer forum have a problem with a rule they are told to shut up about it and are not allowed discuss it? Respect indeed.

they've been discussed ad nauseum - move on - accept your ban and don't encourage people who make stupid comments by thanking them.

redout

Xavi6 wrote: »

Did you remove your thanks after the warning was issued on thread?

You obviously know that I did not. I put my thanks before you issued a warning. Why should I have removed it ? Its not as if you told us to remove it now is it ? You told us to stop and I done what you requested.

GuanYin

We (Xavi and I) discussed the issue with respect to the rules and how another soccer mod had applied them. It had been decided (not be me, I've been away) that thanking abuse is the same as abuse and merits a ban because in our opinon, abuse of another poster is the worst offence in soccer. People ask that we be consistant, Xavi and I PM'd and it was decided that consistancy be applied.

Those initial posters who thanked the post got a week ban.

As for the others, they got their access revoked for purposefully breaking the rules.

There are ways to discuss things, that isn't the way.

Daysha

The warnings that Xavi posted said nothing about warning people against thanking the post. All they were regards to were people talking about his ban in the thread.

That to me says "don't question the decision in the thread", not "don't thank his post", so I don't really see hows thats really relevant.

Xavi6

Chucky the tree wrote: »

So if the users of the soccer forum have a problem with a rule they are told to shut up about it and are not allowed discuss it? Respect indeed.

Yes they are told to shut up about it on that thread and to stop derailing it.

Isn't that how every forum works?

Oh, and one user who wasn't happy made the effort to PM me straight away and I spoke to him about the decision. If no one else wants to make the effort to do that then there's no tmuch else I can do.

The Recliner

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Who's idea is it to put these rules in place? I always found it strange how all the issues with the forum are due to rules that it seems you put in place. I'd be curious to know that do all changes to the charter/the rules in the OTT get put to a vote amongst all the soccer mods?

People who gained access to the soccer forum agreed to abide by the rules

The soccer forum was a mess a few years ago and strict moderation is required to stop it from being shut down again

People go on about the place being no craic, well it was people and their opinion on what craic was (which was basically flaming and trolling) who got the place closed down in the first place

If people don't like the rules don't post there, if people delibertly and knowingly break the rules and then get banned, don't complain about it

Personally I found Pigheads post funny but by the time i saw it there was a red card beside it so I wasn't dumb enough to thank it

Xavi6

Xavi6 wrote: »

Sorry man but it's kick in the teeth to see people here circling the wagons and martyring themselves over what was a perfectly correct decision as per the charter of the forum.

Sorry, I certainly didn't intend that to happen. I agree, you mod the forum and you made the correct call. You have to mod as per the charter. My beef is that the rule is stupid and shouldn't be there in the first place. I also know that it was GY who pushed this rule through. She was using one of my posts as an example for her point, and then, of course, didn't reply when I pointed out that a soccer mod had thanked the post she used for her example.

This was the post. I obviously didn't agree with what Archimedes said, I just find his losing of the head rants hilarious, hence the thanking. The fact that i asked her on numerous occasions about the fact that T4TF had also thanked the post (he obviously wouldn't have agreed with it either - I've no doubt his thanks was as ironic as mine - he's since removed his Thanks) and she never addressed it summed it up really. One way street for her. She's always right.

Xavi6 wrote: »

Respect works both ways between mods and users, but with the way people are talking to GY on this thread it's clear that some people only work one way.

People don't like being spoken down to in the manner in which she does. It's insulting. Sorry, again I have nothing but respect for thee other soccer mods. You all do a great job because you know how to deliver your point without making the poster feel like someone just urinated on them.



Sorry dude, I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with you or how you mod the forum and I appreciate you will be on the opposite side of the fence to me on this one. Sorry dude, I didn't mean to drag you into it.

Xavi6

redout wrote: »

You obviously know that I did not. I put my thanks before you issued a warning. Why should I have removed it ? Its not as if you told us to remove it now is it ? You told us to stop and I done what you requested.

I didn't realise that people had to be spoonfed every piece of information. The charter is meant to have been read by all posters so hardly my fault that thanking a post got people banned.

Chucky the tree

The Recliner wrote: »

People who gained access to the soccer forum agreed to abide by the rules

The soccer forum was a mess a few years ago and strict moderation is required to stop it from being shut down again

People go on about the place being no craic, well it was people and their opinion on what craic was (which was basically flaming and trolling) who got the place closed down in the first place

If people don't like the rules don't post there, if people delibertly and knowing break the rules and then get banned, don't complain about it

Personally I found Pigheads post funny but by the time i saw it there was a red card beside it so I wasn't dumb enough to thank it

People agreed to the rules when they joined. I joined the forum years ago and never agreed to the bull**** rules that are now in place.

Sherifu

Xavi6 wrote: »

Yet we have people thanking the post after which is basically a two fingered salute to my on thread warning. Cheers for the respect boys.

Ah get over yourself ffs. We thanked a funny post, pighead is known to make them occasionally. We didn't drive to your house and **** in your bed.

redout

Xavi6 wrote: »

Oh, and one user who wasn't happy made the effort to PM me straight away and I spoke to him about the decision. If no one else wants to make the effort to do that then there's no tmuch else I can do.

Well excuse me brother. I sent a PM to GuanYin immediately at about 04:30am last night making my point just after I recieved the ban from GuanYin and I will let you know that I am still awaiting a reply nearly 24hrs later.

Xavi6

Sherifu wrote: »

Ah get over yourself ffs. We thanked a funny post, pighead is known to make them occasionally. We didn't drive to your house and **** in your bed.

You broke a charter rule and ignored a mod warning. Pretty simple case as per the charter.

(Whether the rule is a good one or not is a different matter btw, but questioning the bans is nonsense)

redout wrote: »

Well excuse me brother. I sent a PM to GuanYin immediately at about 04:30am last night making my point just after I recieved the ban from GuanYin and I will let you know that I am still awaiting a reply nearly 24hrs later.

How am I meant to know that?

The Recliner

Chucky the tree wrote: »

People agreed to the rules when they joined. I joined the forum years ago and never agreed to the bull**** rules that are now in place.

The charter is updated and that update is announced on the forum

People are supposed to be aware of the charter no matter when they joined

Your continued posting in the forum is your acceptance of the rules

If you disagree with the rules so much then don't post there

So how long before someone points out that every time there is a thread about modding on the soccer forum it is just about everyone v GuanYin? I've had no run-ins with her as of yet (no intention to either) but given her to-the-letter, lack of common sense approach to enforcing the rules I am sure it's a matter of time.

Much as I appreciate it must be a pain to mod a forum like Soccer surely it is time for GuanYin to admit that she may be taking a less than optimal approach to her moderation of the forum? While I, for one, would not trade places with her in her role as a moderator but then again I wasn't dumb enough to volunteer.

GuanYin

Deleted User wrote: »

I also know that it was GY who pushed this rule through.

No actually, I didn't. I was just the one left to deal with the situations that followed.

I do push some rules through as do we all but if a soccer mod disagrees, the rules don't get applied.

Just on a point of note, for those saying I like banning people. one of the rules I pushed through was the points system, which actually makes it twice as hard to get banned from soccer and then for only 6 - 9 months (as opposed to a 5 strikes you're out no matter how trivial the offence). Of course, the more desperate might argue that this just gives me more opportunities to ban people

Chucky the tree

The Recliner wrote: »

The charter is updated and that update is announced on the forum

People are supposed to be aware of the charter no matter when they joined

Your continued posting in the forum is your acceptance of the rules

If you disagree with the rules so much then don't post there

I have no intention too.

mayordenis

I've acted the prick in the past maybe a little more prickish than the lads above but I got banned on another forum for poting "passive aggresivly" get on with yer lives.

redout

Xavi6 wrote: »

How am I meant to know that?

Sorry brother. I know that you obviously could not have known that. But GuanYin is speaking on this forum as we speak and still has not replied to my pm which was sent nearly 24hrs ago. Now if she had of replied I would never have started this thread in the first place and we all wouldnt be here arguing right now.

Permabear

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Sherifu

Xavi6 wrote: »

You broke a charter rule and ignored a mod warning. Pretty simple case as per the charter.

(Whether the rule is a good one or not is a different matter btw, but questioning the bans is nonsense)

Exactly what happened.

Don't start playing the violins about lack of respect, mods don't have to be respected.

The rule is a joke.

Chucky the tree

GuanYin wrote: »

We (Xavi and I) discussed the issue with respect to the rules and how another soccer mod had applied them. It had been decided (not be me, I've been away) that thanking abuse is the same as abuse and merits a ban because in our opinon, abuse of another poster is the worst offence in soccer. People ask that we be consistant, Xavi and I PM'd and it was decided that consistancy be applied.

Those initial posters who thanked the post got a week ban.

As for the others, they got their access revoked for purposefully breaking the rules.

There are ways to discuss things, that isn't the way.

There's 4 soccer mods so I take it you and Xavi discussed it and then ran it by Dub and T4TF and neither had a problem with it?

GuanYin wrote: »

I do push some rules through as do we all but if a soccer mod disagrees, the rules don't get applied.

Xavi6

Xavi6 wrote: »

(Whether the rule is a good one or not is a different matter btw, but questioning the bans is nonsense)

That's certainly my issue.

GuanYin wrote: »

No actually, I didn't. I was just the one left to deal with the situations that followed.

Can I have permission to post that PM you sent me which directly contradicts this?

GuanYin wrote: »

I do push some rules through as do we all but if a soccer mod disagrees, the rules don't get applied.

I wonder do the other mods feel as passionately about the rules that you put on the OTT for example the cat and puppy dog pics! You were the only one who seemed to take umbrage at that one. You had a personal vendetta against Charlie posting GIFs despite pretty much everyone else reacting favorably to them. You decide you don't like something and then you campaign like you're running for President to get it implemented tbh.

GuanYin wrote: »

Just on a point of note, for those saying I like banning people. one of the rules I pushed through was the points system, which actually makes it twice as hard to get banned from soccer and then for only 6 - 9 months (as opposed to a 5 strikes you're out no matter how trivial the offence). Of course, the more desperate might argue that this just gives me more opportunities to ban people

You certainly give off an impression.....

RoundTower

donegalfella wrote: »

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then how would the mod know who all to ban?

redout

donegalfella wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Thats hardly democratic. We are not Communists or Socialists on here. We have the right to free speech although I just waiting waiting for a mod to reply and tell me that we must do as we are told.

Xavi6

Sherifu wrote: »

Exactly what happened.

Don't start playing the violins about lack of respect, mods don't have to be respected.

The rule is a joke.

Then complain about the rule, not the bans.

Xavi6

redout wrote: »

Thats hardly democratic. We are not Communists or Socialists on here. We have the right to free speech although I just waiting waiting for a mod to reply and tell me that we must do as we are told.

Nothing to do with 'being told'. Boards as a whole doesn't have free speech as it's a privately owned forum.

I'm not hiding behind that btw, just saying that's how the site works.

Chucky the tree

Xavi6 wrote: »

Then complain about the rule, not the bans.

The rule is directly related to the bans though. Also, what are the chances of having the rule removed? Why not put a poll in the soccer forum and take the results from that?