Tokina 11-16 f2.8

jackdaw

Hi
I was in a shop today and they told me this lens won't work with a FF camera !!

My friend has this lens with his old SLR .. ,, Film SLR are FF so why won't it work with the 5D /IDs ??


I think he's wrong...

AnimalRights

He is right.

Seriously as far as I know this is only for a cropped frame Cam, I got to use this at a fest last summer from a German guy...he loved it.

DaireQuinlan

Yeah you'd be hard put to find an 11->16 rectilinear for a full frame body. It might have worked at the 16mm end of the scale but it definately would vignette badly at the 11mm end.

jackdaw

Strange .. so how can you get that super wide with a FF ?

cos the 11 works great with the film ... that's what confuses me ..
film is FF ...

AnimalRights

11 on a crop frame is not really 11 though it's 17.6, so in fact you've a wider option when you use the 17-40L on a FF.

DaireQuinlan

jackdaw wrote: »

Strange .. so how can you get that super wide with a FF ?

cos the 11 works great with the film ... that's what confuses me ..
film is FF ...

Thats kinda bizarre, maybe it has loads of extra coverage or something. You'd expect it to have massive falloff toward the edges of the frame.

DaireQuinlan

AnimalRights wrote: »

11 on a crop frame is not really 11 though it's 17.6, so in fact you've a wider option when you use the 17-40L on a FF.

Thats true in crop terms. If the 11->16 actually works on FF with no fall off though (which I doubt, I think there's been crossed wires somewhere) then you'd have an 11mm lens. 11mm is 11mm, regardless of crop factor. I see what you're saying above though.

quilmore

actually, the tokina 11-16mm will work in a Nikon D700 in FF without vignette after 14.5mm, not sure about canon

Duchovny

Canon as far as i know you just can after 16mm, this is usually the widest you can get in a 35mm...

jackdaw

Duchovny wrote: »

Canon as far as i know you just can after 16mm, this is usually the widest you can get in a 35mm...

So what about the Canon L lens 14mm super wide ?

surely that works nice on FF ... its L , i would expect it to ?

Fajitas!

It does indeed.

DaireQuinlan

jackdaw wrote: »

So what about the Canon L lens 14mm super wide ?

surely that works nice on FF ... its L , i would expect it to ?

And not to forget the nikon 14-24 f/2.8 ... widest FF rectilinear zoom in the world I think when it was first released.

jackdaw

OK so would i be better off getting a fisheye for super wide effect ??

the 15mm fisheye ?

Arciphel

Sigma make an affordable ultra-wide full frame lens (12-24mm f4.5-5.6 EX DG) that might suit your needs. I looked at this for my Nikon D700 but ended up going for the Nikkor 14-24 f2.8 AF-S instead, over twice the price but it is an amazing lens :pac::pac::pac:

DaireQuinlan

Arciphel wrote: »

Sigma make an affordable ultra-wide full frame lens (12-24mm f4.5-5.6 EX DG) that might suit your needs. I looked at this for my Nikon D700 but ended up going for the Nikkor 14-24 f2.8 AF-S instead, over twice the price but it is an amazing lens :pac::pac::pac:

You were probably far better off. I was just comparing the two using that handy pixel peeper thing that dragan sent around the other day. I think the corners of the nikon lens at f/2.8 are better than the center of the sigma at f/16 :-)

jackdaw

or this one

http://www.keaphoto.com/shop.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=282&category_id=22


but i was told that isn't so sharp ?

DaireQuinlan

jackdaw wrote: »

or this one

http://www.keaphoto.com/shop.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=282&category_id=22


but i was told that isn't so sharp ?

Thats the one arciphel was talking about above. I think you gotta ask youself, do you -really- want an ultrawide ? they're not cheap, and 12 or 14mm is just insanely wideangle. I'm pretty happy with my 20mm, there are very few situations where I'd actually envision going wider. Maybe thats just a lack of imagination on my part though :-)

If you want to experiment I'd pick up one of those cheap russian fisheyes in the appropriate mount. If you find yoursefl using it a lot then splash out the cash for a rectilinear

jackdaw

Just after i had a look through an SLR film camera with the 11-16 at 11mm ...
it looked cool ... my feet looked miles away !!


maybe i'll try the 16-35 ... i wonder where i could have a go of one ..

Crispin

Sigma 12-24 is made for full frame cameras. has like a 122 degree field of view (crazy wide). front element is huge so you can't really use filters!

jackdaw

Crispin wrote: »

Sigma 12-24 is made for full frame cameras. has like a 122 degree field of view (crazy wide). front element is huge so you can't really use filters!

I need to see some sample shots ...

maybe ill check flickr later...- no access here ...
maybe someone can post some up here... preferably taken on a FF cam...

DaireQuinlan

jackdaw wrote: »

I need to see some sample shots ...

maybe ill check flickr later...- no access here ...
maybe someone can post some up here... preferably taken on a FF cam...

here's a couple with the D700 and D3. Can't remember what the full frame canons are, but you can select them with the drop down ...

http://www.pixel-peeper.com/adv/?lens=10146&camera=767&perpage=12&focal_min=none&focal_max=none&aperture_min=none&aperture_max=none&iso_min=none&iso_max=none&exp_min=none&exp_max=none&res=1
http://www.pixel-peeper.com/adv/?lens=10146&camera=972&perpage=12&focal_min=none&focal_max=none&aperture_min=none&aperture_max=none&iso_min=none&iso_max=none&exp_min=none&exp_max=none&res=1