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  • 17-01-2009 8:53pm
    #1
    norrie rugger
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    I don't have any pm that I feel the need to post, this is just something that I have wondered for a bit.

    Why are people not allowed to publish a pm? Surely it is like saying that someone can not publish a letter/email that has been sent to them. Surely it is "theirs" once it arrives in their inbox?

    It just feels to me that people can hide behind the fact that they can say something and not have it move into the public realm.
    It feels like, if it is not something that is suitable to the general boards then you should think twice about sending it
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    #2
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Its a Private Message - the key being in the word private. Any communication over PM is expected to remain private and is not for the public unless both partys agree to the publication. Its how the system is supposed to work on every web forum on the internet. :)

    Any issues within PMs should be reported by clicking the new "Report" feature on the message. An Smod will then deal with the report as appropriate.


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    Mr Magnolia
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr Magnolia


    Personally, I think that any PM's relating to modding (ban messages, warnings, etc) should be permitted. I suspect the majority of users prefer to leave them totally private so that needs to be respected though.

    Thanks to the latest VB version and CuLT, you can now report PM's which you feel are abusive so it's not a closed loop.


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    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    I'm curious about this.

    Where do the reported PM's go?
    Are they visible to all mods in the reported posts forum along with the content? Or do they go somewhere that only smods/admins have access to?

    I'm not sure I'm happy about the former if it's true.

    I've nothing to hide or report by the way, I just think making a pm visible like this is nearly as bad as posting the contents in a public thread.


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    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    Sully wrote: »
    Its a Private Message - the key being in the word private. Any communication over PM is expected to remain private and is not for the public unless both partys agree to the publication. Its how the system is supposed to work on every web forum on the internet. :)

    Any issues within PMs should be reported by clicking the new "Report" feature on the message. An Smod will then deal with the report as appropriate.
    You see this is where we would differ
    Just because person A sends a message does not mean that person B (receiver) has agreed to anything being private.


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    Esel
    Registered Users Posts: 22,317 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Afaik, if I send you a letter, I retain the copyright on that letter.

    Not your ornery onager



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    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    guys as i said, just wondering.
    It is just something that I was thinking of and wanted the opinions of others.


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    Saibh
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    You see this is where we would differ
    Just because person A sends a message does not mean that person B (receiver) has agreed to anything being private.


    My reading of this is that if they send a message via private message - the message is only meant for you and the sender.

    If they wish the public to see it, I would presume they would use the visitor message


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    eVeNtInE
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    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    SteveC wrote: »
    I'm curious about this.

    Where do the reported PM's go?
    Are they visible to all mods in the reported posts forum along with the content? Or do they go somewhere that only smods/admins have access to?

    I'm not sure I'm happy about the former if it's true.

    I've nothing to hide or report by the way, I just think making a pm visible like this is nearly as bad as posting the contents in a public thread.

    Its visible to mods/smods/admins at the moment. Whether it will stay that way or not, I have no idea.


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    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    norrie rugger wrote: »
    You see this is where we would differ
    Just because person A sends a message does not mean that person B (receiver) has agreed to anything being private.

    Doesn't matter. Its still a private message. You don't have to open the PM if you want to therefore avoiding the privacy bit. However if anyone sends you a non rule breaking PM, then its private unless the other party agrees to it being released or an admin/smod requires it.

    If it was a public private message you have the visitor message section.


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    Jonathan
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    Sully wrote: »
    Its visible to mods/smods/admins at the moment. Whether it will stay that way or not, I have no idea.
    Every mod? :s


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    Steve
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    Sully wrote: »
    Its visible to mods/smods/admins at the moment. Whether it will stay that way or not, I have no idea.
    Hmmm, I can see this feature being open to abuse.
    For example, hypothetically, if I had a private conversation with you that, say, led to us divulging something personal like a phone number or address - all legitimate messages and within the rules. We subsequently have an argument that gets messy and, for the lulz, one of us reports a pm with personal information in it - not a good situation.

    At present, the only ones that deal with pm problems are smods + admins and I feel that they are the only ones who should see the reported messages.

    It's a bit like general users being able to see the reported posts forum - no need, it's none of our business.
    Sully wrote: »
    Doesn't matter. Its still a private message. You don't have to open the PM if you want to therefore avoiding the privacy bit. However if anyone sends you a non rule breaking PM, then its private unless the other party agrees to it being released or an admin/smod requires it.
    +1 and I think this backs up what I am trying to say.


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    Saibh
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    Sully wrote: »
    Its visible to mods/smods/admins at the moment. Whether it will stay that way or not, I have no idea.


    I would imagine if you had a problem with a pm which you received, you still have the option of forwarding it onto to a Mod/SMod/Admin instead of selecting the report button.

    That way it is not available for all Mods/SMods/Admin to see it.


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    Steve
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    Saibh wrote: »
    I would imagine if you had a problem with a pm which you received, you still have the option of forwarding it onto to a Mod/SMod/Admin instead of selecting the report button.

    That way it is not available for all Mods/SMods/Admin to see it.

    That's true but the onus on the receiver whether or not to report what you sent them privately. Most aren't going to know or care what happens when they click the report button.


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    Sully
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    jmccrohan wrote: »
    Every mod? :s

    Yup.. Not sure if that was intended or not as these things take time to get sorted.
    SteveC wrote: »
    Hmmm, I can see this feature being open to abuse.
    For example, hypothetically, if I had a private conversation with you that, say, led to us divulging something personal like a phone number or address - all legitimate messages and within the rules. We subsequently have an argument that gets messy and, for the lulz, one of us reports a pm with personal information in it - not a good situation.

    At present, the only ones that deal with pm problems are smods + admins and I feel that they are the only ones who should see the reported messages.

    I would imagine personal information would be removed..
    Saibh wrote: »
    I would imagine if you had a problem with a pm which you received, you still have the option of forwarding it onto to a Mod/SMod/Admin instead of selecting the report button.

    That way it is not available for all Mods/SMods/Admin to see it.

    Yup.


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    #17
    leninbenjamin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    esel wrote: »
    Afaik, if I send you a letter, I retain the copyright on that letter.

    but if you send a PM, boards.ie retains the copyright on that PM. just like they do any other post on the forum.

    I personally don't see why PMs relating to forum moderation should be prevented from being disclosed on the forums, but ultimately it's an admin call, and we can only accept what they decide.


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    Beruthiel
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    Saibh wrote: »
    I would imagine if you had a problem with a pm which you received, you still have the option of forwarding it onto to a Mod/SMod/Admin.

    Indeed that option is still there.


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    #19
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    Good to see what people think
    Personally I wouldn't send something to someone if it were not suitable for broader view but that's just me


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    Steve
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    Personally I wouldn't send something to someone if it were not suitable for broader view but that's just me
    I disagree, I've pm'd my mobile number on occasion, I wouldn't consider that against any rules or offensive in any way but I still wouldn't consider it something that is 'suitable for broader view' as you put it.

    And I apologise if I diverted the topic slightly with what I posted earlier, I do think it's relevant to the privacy issue though.


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    eVeNtInE
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    #22
    Latchy
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    Saibh wrote: »
    My reading of this is that if they send a message via private message - the message is only meant for you and the sender.

    If they wish the public to see it, I would presume they would use the visitor message
    That to me is the most obious and logical way to look at it .Would be no use in having the PM box otherwise .

    But who can be 100% sure who gets to see what PM's on any message boards / forums ? .


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    Saibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,431 ✭✭✭✭Saibh


    latchyco wrote: »
    That to me is the most obious and logical way to look at it .Would be no use in having the PM box otherwise .

    But who can be 100% sure who gets to see what PM's on any message boards / forums ? .


    I do type sense an odd time:o


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    Esel
    Registered Users Posts: 22,317 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    latchyco wrote: »
    But who can be 100% sure who gets to see what PM's on any message boards / forums ? .
    Assume everything is visible. It is the net, after all!

    Not your ornery onager



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    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Saibh wrote: »
    I do type sense an odd time:o
    I'll take your word for it so . :o


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    Steve
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    latchyco wrote: »
    But who can be 100% sure who gets to see what PM's on any message boards / forums ? .
    In VBB only admins (with both site admin and vb admin access) can do it, it's a pain in the ass process to do though. Not worth the effort unless there is something serious to investigate.


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    #27
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    esel wrote: »
    Assume everything is visible. It is the net, after all!
    Indeed , my JFK conspiricy posts are in that table someplace to . :)


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    Latchy
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    SteveC wrote: »
    In VBB only admins (with both site admin and vb admin access) can do it, it's a pain in the ass process to do though. Not worth the effort unless there is something serious to investigate.
    Understandable in times of serious security investigations .


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    #29
    sceptre
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    leninbenjamin wrote: »
    but if you send a PM, boards.ie retains the copyright on that PM. just like they do any other post on the forum.
    Boards doesn't have the copyright on your public messages, let alone private ones. When you post, you're giving the webboard the right to store and display your postings but the copyright is still yours.


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    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    sceptre wrote: »
    Boards doesn't have the copyright on your public messages, let alone private ones. When you post, you're giving the webboard the right to store and display your postings but the copyright is still yours.

    We could make a mint if we sold the copyright of our posts to Boards :p


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    #31
    Tristram
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    esel wrote: »
    Assume everything is visible. It is the net, after all!

    :eek:

    :)


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