Tim Cahill

curry-muff

Smegball wrote: »

Go for Robbie Savage then :rolleyes:

Id take Cahill over Savage any day, and I didnt say their midfield wasnt dirty enough I just said it wasnt physical enough:D:D

Smegball

lol, but I think Arteta would work better in the Man United two man centre midfield, he offers better passing and intelligence, don't get me wrong Cahill is class, brilliant at popping up with goals, but I don't think he would work in a two man midfield at a club like United. Doesn't have the all round game imo.

curry-muff

Cahills better at tackling and winning the ball and he isnt really that far off Arteta in terms of intelligence

Xavi6

I've been a Cahill fan since his Millwall days when he was in the same team there as Lucas Neill. Was always way too good for that standard.

One of my favourite footballers, so much so that I have an Everton away shirt with 'Cahill 17' on the back from a few years ago. Class act.

Dolph Starbeam

Xavi6 wrote: »

I've been a Cahill fan since his Millwall days when he was in the same team there as Lucas Neill. Was always way too good for that standard.

One of my favourite footballers, so much so that I have an Everton away shirt with 'Cahill 17' on the back from a few years ago. Class act.

Cahill's Milwall days i only remember through Champ Man 01/02, Cahill, Samba and Joe Dolan, what a team.... oh and Richard Sadlier

Dubliner28

Indeed at St Pats now
Nice bloke meet him a few times

LuckyLloyd

Would be nice to see both Cahill and Arteta at a decent club for a couple of years. They deserve a shot at some silverware.

peterswellman

curry-muff wrote: »

Cahills better at tackling and winning the ball and he isnt really that far off Arteta in terms of intelligence

I think Cahill would easily fit in better. United need someone with more bite in their line-up(with Hargreaves injured). Cahill would be perfect. Arteta is too similiar to Carrick(who too often pulls out of tackles) imo.

peterswellman

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Would be nice to see both Cahill and Arteta at a decent club for a couple of years. They deserve a shot at some silverware.

I doubt Cahill will, whatever about Arteta. He seems to love the club, which is a real shame. I would love to see him running out in OT with the United jersey on his back.:(

ButcherOfNog

peterswellman wrote: »

Maybe i'm overrating him though. Opinions, lads?

Small, game (honesty of effort etc) and a good header of the ball. He feeds on what others create, so yes, you are overrating him.

Arteta though, I'm surprised he's still at Everton, by far their most important player.

Dolph Starbeam

Ye i remember Setanta interviewing Cahill a few weeks ago and he was talking about his time at Millwall, he said he loved cleaning the other players boots, he felt honoured to be cleaning the boots of a players name i forget, some African player, he seems really genuine though... I'd still bet he'd leave if he had a chance to win a Premier League medal.

thusspakeblixa

I'd take Arteta over Cahill any day.
Arteta's distribution is as good as any other EPL midfielder IMO.
If it wasn't for Alonso and Xavi I'd say he'd be capped for Spain now.

Bluetonic

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Would be nice to see both Cahill and Arteta at a decent club for a couple of years. They deserve a shot at some silverware.

Wrong forum mate.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=62

LuckyLloyd

Bluetonic wrote: »

Wrong forum mate.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=62

Huh? I truly believe they are worthy of Champions League football / challenging for cups and titles. If not in the premiership, in another European league.

Bluetonic

Arteta blows hot and cold and I doubt a top team would have the patience with him, he has had some really bad and frustrating spells at Everton over the last few years. I say this from seeing him play numerous times.

In a top team I fear Cahill would be a lot more in the spotlight from referees and would suffer from it. The physical side of his game would be a negative in such spotlight.

They have probably found their level now.

Dubliner28

As ever a good post Blue Tonic
We are not yet at the mountain top but were half way up that mountain.
Arteta- Blows hot and cold and its easy to say good things about him but he has improved since coming into the middle. Ive often been at Goodison to see him isolated on the wings.
Cahill - Class player. Not surprised that a so called top 4 team have not come in with the expection of United. I cant see his playing methods suiting other teams.Perfect player for our 4-5-1 formation and suits the in for face style of play Everton play so well with

Frisbee

Bluetonic wrote: »

Arteta blows hot and cold and I doubt a top team would have the patience with him, he has had some really bad and frustrating spells at Everton over the last few years..

He's been played out of position on the left of the park for most of his time at Everton though...

PHB

He's a good player, but not a great one. He plays in a position where you need to build around him, and while he's good at it, he's ultimately not good enough ala Gerrard/Lampard to do it.

Bluetonic

Frisbee wrote: »

He's been played out of position on the left of the park for most of his time at Everton though...

He has played there yes, also played on the right and played a lot in the middle in an advanced and withdrawn role.

I stand by my comments.

delspeed78

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Would be nice to see both Carragher and Gerard at a decent club for a couple of years. They deserve a shot at the title.

theCzar

Both very good players, but as an Evertonian, I think they're more or less at their level now. They would be occasional subs in any of the sky 4.

Arteta is playing great at the moment, but had a poor injury hampered last season and his dead balls are a mixed bag. Cahill is sublime at finding space, almost impossible to mark due to his uncanny timing which is the secret to his success but his all round game is average enough.

Best player, or at least most important player, in blue at the moment is Jagielka.

Mr Alan

i agree with Noel Gallaghers opinions on the matter.

Noel Gallagher wrote:

"I don't know, there is something about him. I would love to kick him right in the bollocks. He has just got one of those faces, Don't you find his face really slapable? I can assure you, lots of people in England do"

busted flush

theCzar wrote: »

Best player, or at least most important player, in blue at the moment is Jagielka.

+1. THE BLUES TO WIN ON SUNDAY 0-2 JAGS AND CAHILL, ARTETA TO ASSIST BOTH!

Highsider

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Would be nice to see both Cahill and Arteta at a decent club for a couple of years. They deserve a shot at some silverware.

Agreed. Amazed everton have held unto them for this long. Must be hard for them.

Bluetonic

Posted this in the Everton thread earlier in the week, seems appropriate for here.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/everton/article5542325.ece

The audio is in this podcast http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/thegame_podcasts/article5516203.ece

Jan 19th 2009
Why life is so good at Goodison Park
The Times listens in as Mikel Arteta and Tim Cahill, the Everton midfield players, sit down in advance of this evening’s Merseyside derby match to discuss the development of David Moyes as a manager, reveal the joker of the side, talk about what they have added to Everton and divulge who is best on the Wii . . .
Tim Cahill and Mikel Arteta are enjoying life at Goodison

(John Walton/PA)

Tim Cahill and Mikel Arteta are enjoying life at Goodison
Guillem Balague

Cahill: Mikel, as well as long siestas [laughs], what do you think we have added to this side?

Arteta: I have tried to bring some intelligence to my position. It’s great to play with passion, intensity, tackling and running, but you need to use your brain, to be tactically aware if you are going to control a game.

We’ve got a good balance here now because we’ve got Australians, Nigerians, Spanish, and South Africans: all different nationalities, different mentalities — none of them are better than the others, but we can all learn and take things from each other.

Cahill: Tactics is something I’ve loved learning about since coming to the Premier League. Before we play Tottenham, for example, we know what their strengths are, who to stop; we know that their midfielders need to be pressed and that we have to force them to play backwards; we learn about the movement of Darren Bent, the movement of Aaron Lennon and how to show him on to his weaker foot; and then how to distribute the ball quickly enough to get at them. I really love that side of it. Sure, it can get a bit repetitive sometimes, standing around outside doing corners and throw-ins again and again.

Arteta: I worry in case this becomes just a job and we stop having fun.

Cahill: That will never happen to you or me. It’s a passion. In training I have a great time, playing tricks and making jokes. I feel like this is a really good hobby, it’s not a job. Then at the weekend it’s 90 minutes of football. It’s the best thing ever. And in another six years, I can go and relax.

Arteta: Well, the enjoyment comes when you are happy with yourself. You get down when you know you haven’t put in the effort, when you haven’t run enough or whatever. But winning is, of course, wonderful, even on the beach in the summer with my mates — but if I lose, I hate it. Even playing the PlayStation or the Wii, I’m shouting, ‘What are you doing? What was that pass about?’

Cahill: I’m the best on the Wii . . .

Arteta: . . . I am the best. I hate losing. To enjoy this game, any game . . .

Cahill: . . . you have to have competition

Arteta: We get the chance to compete on the pitch for real twice a week, but we are competing all the time. Even today in training, we were playing seven-a-side and a goal was given, but I didn’t think the ball had crossed the line and I was going crazy at the coach, who was refereeing. But then you also have to have the talent, of course, the ability to get into the box at the right time, for instance.

Cahill: In my case, I learnt that from a lot of the coaches that I worked under, and playing with midfielders who were very good at scoring goals

Arteta: I learnt to pass at Barcelona, training with the first team, with players like [Pep] Guardiola, Rivaldo, Luis Enrique and [Luis] Figo. I was amazed. They never felt threatened or worried by this young lad who might replace them; they were trying to help me all the time. They would correct me on technique, keep talking to me and giving me confidence, even praising me to the manager and press.

I remember the first time I played for the first team, against Hertha Berlin in pre-season, I was 16. I replaced Guardiola at half-time and after the game he sat with me and talked through everything that I had done out on the pitch. To have that from someone like him, the best in that position, you cannot have anyone better than that helping you.

Cahill: I’ll help anyone, whether it’s on the pitch or off it; that’s my nature. When you first came to Everton, we built a good relationship and I made sure that if you needed anything, I was there. I knew what it was like for me when I arrived from Millwall: guys like Stubbsy [Alan Stubbs] and Duncan Ferguson were all nice lads. So when new, young kids come in, I help them. And if they are going to be better than me, then that’s better for the team — and it means that I have to improve.

Arteta: We have a manager that facilitates that, don’t we? He wants to give the players everything that he can, so they have no excuses. He has been a player and he understands. If he sees that you are professional and take care of yourself, that you work hard, he will do anything for you.
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Compared to four years ago, tactically he has improved, in terms of how he sees things and how he sets things up. We’ve also got better players than four years ago and that makes his job easier as well. He talks to us as well, he listens to us. I know I can talk to him and make suggestions about tactics, discuss things. Of course he’ll shout at us sometimes as well — he’s a big character — but he is also one of us and he knows that we all want to win together. And that is how we win — together. So instead of shouting we talk things through together. Shouting never made anybody better

Cahill: The way I would characterise my relationship with the manager is that he is like a mentor. There are players around these days who don’t like their manager; not many people love their boss. But the good thing is, Moyes asks the players, ‘What do you feel went wrong?’ He questions himself — which is one of the biggest things — and then he’ll question us.

One of the biggest chats I’ve had with the manager was when we played away in the Uefa Cup against SK Brann and he told me off because Eirik Bakke smashed me off the ball. I think that the gaffer thought I’d pulled out of a tackle, which he told me at half-time. I was fuming, ’cause I’m not like that. In the second half, I went out and gave it everything: fizzed one off the post and later smashed someone down by the corner flag, got the ball and from that, we went off and scored. The gaffer was delighted — that was what he wanted to see.

Arteta: I have heard him say he would like more Artetas and Cahills in the team. He wouldn’t say that to us. He’d probably say that because we were cheap.

Cahill: That’s the biggest thing. You cost £2.5 million, me £1.5-2 million. For what we cost, whatever happens, we know we’ve contributed to a legacy here, to making sure this club has been successful. We’ve never been in a relegation battle since we’ve been here and we never will be, because of the characters. We hate losing.

Arteta: And I won’t be the first with a joke when we lose. It takes me a few days to get over it. Before you start joking, you need to analyse the mistakes. Only after that do you start with the jokes to try and give people a lift. For example, after losing against Wigan, we were mentally battered — but we bounced back from that and beat Tottenham. We did it again against [Manchester] City after not deserving to lose against Villa. We are very good at bouncing back when we are down.

Cahill: You must admit the best joke ever was when you celebrated your first goal, against Crystal Palace, and ran to celebrate in front of the Palace supporters, thinking it was the Everton fans.

Arteta: You will miss all that when you leave.

Cahill: I’ll definitely be going back to Australia to live — I miss the sun. Maybe spend some time in Spain with Mikel as well. I want my kids to grow up in Australia. But there is a long time to go for that.

It was hard for me to come to England; my parents had to get a loan to get me over here for a trial. I’ve made sure since then that I’ve paid them back and they’ve never had to work since the day I got my first contract. I’m opening up soccer academies for kids so that they can do what I did and have a chance. They can see that if I can do it, they can do it.

Arteta: I will join you in Australia. No, seriously, I always said that I would love to play in Spain for a few years, but it would be very hard for me to leave England. It’s not the best weather, but there are great things here as well. I love the football, the passion, I love my team-mates — apart from you, of course!

Cahill: You wouldn’t know what to do without me!