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Who Would You Like to See as Ireland Captain for 6 Nations

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    #62
    toomevara
    Registered Users Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭toomevara


    Well? has the team been named folks?


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    #63
    Noopti
    Registered Users Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭Noopti


    From MunsterFans:

    "Pat Kenny has just announced BOD to remain Captain "


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    #64
    Harpy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭Harpy


    Noopti wrote: »
    From MunsterFans:

    "Pat Kenny has just announced BOD to remain Captain "

    Don't think that's right at all.. Paul O'Connell is definatley ready to be captain now and its the best time to change..i could be totally wrong but personally i think this just shows once again the politics in irish rugby.. POC should of gotten it ahead of Brian O'Driscoll it would of given the team a new bit of life and a lift..


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    #65
    RugbyFanatic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    Apparently its Brian O'Driscoll


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    #66
    RugbyFanatic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    Harpy wrote: »
    Don't think that's right at all.. Paul O'Connell is definatley ready to be captain now and its the best time to change..i could be totally wrong but personally i think this just shows once again the politics in irish rugby.. POC should of gotten it ahead of Brian O'Driscoll it would of given the team a new bit of life and a lift..

    Listen I think Kidney knows what hes doing hes not an idiot.

    Lads there has to be a ****in reason BOD always gets selected as captain by coaches can we put this 'hes a bad captain' argument to rest no one knows how good he is but the players and the coaches and we have seen today yet another new manager sticking by BOD


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    #67
    bleg
    Registered Users Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    it's official.


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    #68
    Noopti
    Registered Users Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭Noopti


    I thought Kidney would have the balls to pick POC as captain to be honest.

    If O'Driscoll was on top form and undroppable then sure, he could remain as captain. But in all fairness he is immenentley droppable on current form so why have him as Captain.

    Anyway, move on and support the team now! :)


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    #69
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    You don't acheive 50 caps as captain and be bad at it. COME ON IRELAND


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    #70
    RugbyFanatic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    Noopti wrote: »
    I thought Kidney would have the balls to pick POC as captain to be honest.

    If O'Driscoll was on top form and undroppable then sure, he could remain as captain. But in all fairness he is immenentley droppable on current form so why have him as Captain.

    Anyway, move on and support the team now! :)

    Kidney obviously did have the balls as seen with Foley but obviously he sees something that us posting on an internet forum can't. Lets be honest all we have is speculation and nothing concrete so no one really knows if he is a bad captain or not but I will say this theres a reason why every coach has selected him as captain and it is very likely its because hes a good one



    and yeah completely agree its 6 nations time lads lets get behind our captain,coach and team


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    #71
    RugbyFanatic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    Just to add Kidney's comments

    He continued by paying tribute to Ireland Captain Brian O’Driscoll, “I am delighted that Brian has yet again agreed to lead the side in this year’s championship. He has the leadership qualities which are vital at this level and, along with those of the other team leaders in the squad, will be important for the tournament ahead”.


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    #72
    Oafley Jones
    Registered Users Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    It'll be interesting to see if Thornley's prediction of PO'C for Lions captain comes true as well.


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    #73
    RuggieBear
    Registered Users Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    perhaps BOD needed time to think about it...


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    #74
    Noopti
    Registered Users Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭Noopti


    RugbyFanatic wrote: »
    Kidney obviously did have the balls as seen with Foley but obviously he sees something that us posting on an internet forum can't. Lets be honest all we have is speculation and nothing concrete so no one really knows if he is a bad captain or not but I will say this theres a reason why every coach has selected him as captain and it is very likely its because hes a good one



    and yeah completely agree its 6 nations time lads lets get behind our captain,coach and team

    I agree absolutely, BOD was/is a great captain. I just felt that the time was right for change based on the forms of BOD v POC. I also think however that Kidney had more free rein for tough decisions with Munster then he will within the Irish setup.

    At least we have O'Connell in barnstorming form coming into the 6 Nations, he can lead through action at least! :)


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    #75
    RugbyFanatic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    RuggieBear wrote: »
    perhaps BOD needed time to think about it...

    Thats what I was thinking when Kidney made the statement that he was delighted BOD agreed to it.

    Just on MF.com... the conspiracys of higher up influence in who got to be captain has begun :rolleyes:


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    #76
    Sangre
    Registered Users Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    Think Kidney's reference to other 'team leaders' in squad is a salient point. POC is obviously the leader in the pack (a 'pack leader' if you will) calling the lineout etc.,

    BOD will be the one to talks to the ref. Helpful when a player is usually quiet level headed and can be well spoken. Also I wouldn't underestimate the fact a player of BOD's stature can have on a ref.

    P.s. anyone think of a bad bod captain move? none immediately come to my mind.


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    #77
    Brewster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    A surprise I must admit, coming from a Leinsterman. Id have given it to Pauli


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    #78
    The Ritz
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    perhaps BOD needed Kidney should have took more time to think about it...


    FYP.......

    I'm very surprised by this, I understand that recent public statements would have suggested that BOD was concentrating more on his own game and I have doubts about his ability to unify the team in a sense of common purpose, a task that I thought POC would do with passion.

    I wish only the best for the national team, it would be wonderful to see them playing in a manner and style that would justify their individual talents and I hope Kidney's faith in BOD is justified.


    Ritz.


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    #79
    Noopti
    Registered Users Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭Noopti


    RugbyFanatic wrote: »
    Thats what I was thinking when Kidney made the statement that he was delighted BOD agreed to it.

    Just on MF.com... the conspiracys of higher up influence in who got to be captain has begun :rolleyes:


    Are you Munsterman101? lol


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    #80
    RugbyFanatic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭RugbyFanatic


    Noopti wrote: »
    Are you Munsterman101? lol

    Nope. Check the IPs if you want.


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    #81
    Noopti
    Registered Users Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭Noopti


    RugbyFanatic wrote: »
    Nope. Check the IPs if you want.

    Nah, was just wondering as I saw a first post by him telling the MFs to quit the bull ****e! :)


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    #82
    Lenguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29 ✭Lenguy


    BoD it is! Will be interesting to hear Kidney's reasoning.
    Hopefully PoC and BoD can work together on the captaincy, on and off the field. RoG has a lot to offer also.


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    #83
    Oafley Jones
    Registered Users Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    Noopti wrote: »
    Are you Munsterman101? lol

    I was reading both sites and it's the first thing that entered my head. The tone, the use of language and



    the



    large


    spaces betweens paragraphs do seem to point to Rugbyfanatic. Plenty of Leinster fans on MF.com RF, if you've got a something to say about that site do so by being up front and honest.


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    #84
    Twin-go
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Twin-go


    Well a suprise there. But lets just hope it proves to be the correct decision. Only time will tell.

    Lets all hope that BOD can get his form back (along with the rest of the backs TBH) and inspire Ireland to a great 6N.

    It would be great to see a grand slam decider in Cardiff come the last round of games.


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    #85
    Eoin
    Registered Users Posts: 21,256 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    RugbyFanatic wrote: »
    Thats what I was thinking when Kidney made the statement that he was delighted BOD agreed to it.:

    I'd say that's just spin. If Kidney says that he himself was undecided until the last minute, it wouldn't seem like he had that much confidence. O'Driscoll was on record several months ago saying that he wanted to remain as Irish captain.

    Does anyone have any stats on what Paul O'Connell's record is like as Irish captain? Am I wrong in thinking he's had a somewhat patchy record as well?
    Noopti wrote:
    If O'Driscoll was on top form and undroppable then sure, he could remain as captain. But in all fairness he is immenentley droppable on current form so why have him as Captain.

    I really don't think he is that droppable. Even a poor day by his standards is a pretty damn good day for most international centres. Whenever people talk about him having a "quiet day", they often miss out on the massive effort he has made in defence.

    And another argument is that the captain might get his spot because he is a good captain - not that he is captain because he is guaranteed his spot. Sometimes you have to compromise to make sure you have the best leader on the pitch. Simon Easterby was known as a very good leader, and a lot of people will say he got his game for Ireland ahead of other more talented back row players, because they needed someone with leadership in the pack. I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember Michael Bradley being only an OK scrumhalf, but being a good leader.


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    #86
    Noopti
    Registered Users Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭Noopti


    eoin wrote: »
    Does anyone have any stats on what Paul O'Connell's record is like as Irish captain? Am I wrong in thinking he's had a somewhat patchy record as well?

    I don't think you can fairly judge someone based on some stand in performances as Captain.


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    #87
    premierstone
    Registered Users Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    Noopti wrote: »
    Are you Munsterman101? lol

    Ask Munsterman101 for he's overall opinion of ROG it will become quite clear from the reply if its RF :D


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    #88
    RuggieBear
    Registered Users Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    back on topic people. what handle somebody uses on another website or their opinions there of are no concern to this thread or boards tbh.


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    #89
    Warper
    Registered Users Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭Warper


    Bad decision this - it implies that nothing has changed from the O'Sullivan era.
    No disrespect to BOD who is a fantastic player but surely this was a time to change the captaincy - a new beginning if you like as the last couple of years have been a disaster. A change of captaincy would have indicated a new era of Irish Rugby and this is what we desperately needed.

    Seems like more of the same again.


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    #90
    Brewster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    Look I guess we need to keep some perspective here. Thinking about it, it would have been hard to take captaincy off Ireland's greatest ever player, he obviously wished to remain in job.

    A successful team needs leaders all over the pitch, in this regard Ireland are reasonably well placed. We have Pauli, Best and ROG who are all leaders in their own right and have experience of captaining teams so I think its important to concentrate on the positives. The more leaders a team can have the better.


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    #91
    premierstone
    Registered Users Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    Yeah i think too much is been made of this tbh and its not as if O'Driscoll is a terrible captain or anything and hopefully its a vote of confidence that can help him back to what we know he is capable of been


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