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Dermot Ahern on Guantanamo
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Unless they're ISI or an expert on the intelligence communities in those countries, I'd say that who you know and where they come from makes eff all difference.shqipshume wrote: »How do you know? Do you know anyone from there.I do
Steve Coll has written some very good articles on the ISI (Pakistan), GID (Jordan) and the GIP (Saudi Arabia) for example. Christiane Amanpour and Jon Snow too also have delivered eye opening reportage on these agencies.0 -
Serenity Now! wrote: »Unless they're ISI or an expert on the intelligence communities in those countries, I'd say that who you know and where they come from makes eff all difference.
Steve Coll has written some very good articles on the ISI (Pakistan), GID (Jordan) and the GIP (Saudi Arabia) for example. Christiane Amanpour and Jon Snow too also have delivered eye opening reportage on these agencies.
The point i am making you don't know if they are innocent or not! No one knows how they will be treated when they get home.An no one knows if they even want to come here or not.It called kissing their asses so they don't bring lawsuits against them.
I hope they go home and build a better life for them and their families and take back their rights for the ones who are innocent.Instead been displaced and forced out of their country way of life and away from their families.
And another thing how screwed up are these people going to be after what they endured? They are going to need severe counseling and care.
Whats best for these people you nor i know.0 -
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shqipshume wrote: »The point i am making you don't know if they are innocent or not! No one knows how they will be treated when they get home.An no one knows if they even want to come here or not.It called kissing their asses so they don't bring lawsuits against them.
I hope they go home and build a better life for them and their families and take back their rights for the ones who are innocent.Instead been displaced and forced out of their country way of life and away from their families.
And another thing how screwed up are these people going to be after what they endured? They are going to need severe counseling and care.
Whats best for these people you nor i know.
If you read my initial post you'd see that I was talking on a sidetrack. I never expressed an opinion about where Gitmo inmates should go or be sent.
You said that they'd be treated like heroes when they got home. I disagreed and said while some sympathisers to the causes they were accused of being part of would laud them, it would be dangerous for them given the proven track record of the relevant intelligence communities in some of the countries they are likely to come from.0 -
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I can imagine the inmates would love to live in America:rolleyes:
I've already said that it should be for our lack of stopping the injustices (eg Shannon)
To be fair since it's not going to be a drain on our economy, these aren't guilty people and because of what they suffered. That's why. And it's not for the American's I'd be doing it either, if it was my choice they'd not have the use of Shannon
Arent some of them born and raised in America?
Our lack of it.We are neutral country we let everyone here,they even would have given asylum to Saddam if he had sought it lol
That's a poor reason for us to be apart of the blame,
And didn't people demonstrate against it?
So let the government officials responsible for it bring them to their houses and give them refuge there you go answer to problem.:D
Again point is they are some guilty perhaps all! When i am in favour of helping everyone Ireland is in no fit state to take on something which they do not understand.
We already have apparent Islamic cells here in Ireland lets just give them more recruits
I can see your points of wanting to help but sorry sometimes its better to say no,help in other ways.give them funding help them rebuild take down those agencies that do if they do cause a threat to some of the innocent people when they go back home.
Displacing them from their families after years of imprisonment is not the answer.
When it is clear they wont be allowed work here.They will be just dumped here and have no lives at all.0 -
shqipshume wrote: »Our lack of it.We are neutral country we let everyone here,they even would have given asylum to Saddam if he had sought it lol
That's a poor reason for us to be apart of the blame,
And didn't people demonstrate against it?
So let the government officials responsible for it bring them to their houses and give them refuge there you go answer to problem.:D
I don't think we did enough - the people gave the government a mandate to complain. But they didn't.shqipshume wrote: »Again point is they are some guilty perhaps all! When i am in favour of helping everyone Ireland is in no fit state to take on something which they do not understand.
We already have apparent Islamic cells here in Ireland lets just give them more recruits
I'm not 100% any of them would like staying here if this is our Céad Míle Fcuk Off's
Perhaps by mopping up the mess we would show ourselves to be a friendly western nation, thus reducing the risk :rolleyes:shqipshume wrote: »Arent some of them born and raised in America?
I can see your points of wanting to help but sorry sometimes its better to say no,help in other ways.give them funding help them rebuild take down those agencies that do if they do cause a threat to some of the innocent people when they go back home.
Displacing them from their families after years of imprisonment is not the answer.
When it is clear they wont be allowed work here.They will be just dumped here and have no lives at all.
They don't have to move here, I'm not going to tie a rope onto them and nail them to the floor so they don't go home. I just saw that one of the inmates solicitors was trying to get him into Ireland - ie they want to be here.
And wait a second.... a minute ago we didn't want to give them money for accomadation, now we want to start giving more aid?!?!? :pac:0 -
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I don't think we did enough - the people gave the government a mandate to complain. But they didn't.
I'm not 100% any of them would like staying here if this is our Céad Míle Fcuk Off's
Perhaps by mopping up the mess we would show ourselves to be a friendly western nation, thus reducing the risk :rolleyes:
They don't have to move here, I'm not going to tie a rope onto them and nail them to the floor so they don't go home. I just saw that one of the inmates solicitors was trying to get him into Ireland - ie they want to be here.
And wait a second.... a minute ago we didn't want to give them money for accomadation, now we want to start giving more aid?!?!? :pac:
Its done over done what can you do now?
Reducing risk of what now exactly?
And why in the world would anyone want to move to Ireland and been in a prison for how many years.
If he has family here already fair enough.But perhaps its the easiest most naive country in the world right now and good pickings here lol0 -
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shqipshume wrote: »Its done over done what can you do now?
reduce the effectshqipshume wrote: »Reducing risk of what now exactly?
Them orrible terrorist attacks you so fear - you were talking about terrorist groups in Irelandshqipshume wrote: »And why in the world would anyone want to move to Ireland and been in a prison for how many years.
If he has family here already fair enough.But perhaps its the easiest most naive country in the world right now and good pickings here lol
lol :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I seen an article that says at least one of them wants to be here.
And good pickings!? what?
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Them orrible terrorist attacks you so fear - you were talking about terrorist groups in Ireland
lol :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I seen an article that says at least one of them wants to be here.
And good pickings!? what?
I dont think we will be attacked they have cells here thats a fact! They dont see us as a threat and we are good base;)lol
Good pickings cash accomadation and free cars lol0 -
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One or two might have been born there.
This would be the free cars for 'dem blak immigrantz' that everyone swears exist, because they know somebody whose sister in the civil service told them it was true...
More than one or two some British some other nationalities to apparently.
It does exist i have been told first hand by them.Just say they are been racially attacked on bus or at bus stop i cant travel for fear of abuse and there you go car for you.Some of the scams i have heard of are pretty genius lol
Oh the naive
Did you know Irish may claim it to under some medical condition.0 -
shqipshume wrote: »More than one or two some British some other nationalities to apparently.
It does exist i have been told first hand by them.Just say they are been racially attacked on bus or at bus stop i cant travel for fear of abuse and there you go car for you.Some of the scams i have heard of are pretty genius lol
Oh the naive
Did you know Irish may claim it to under some medical condition.
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shqipshume wrote: »More than one or two some British some other nationalities to apparently.
It does exist i have been told first hand by them.Just say they are been racially attacked on bus or at bus stop i cant travel for fear of abuse and there you go car for you.Some of the scams i have heard of are pretty genius lol
Oh the naive
Did you know Irish may claim it to under some medical condition.
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