[Digiweb] Satellite Service

CutzEr

http://digiweb.ie/home/satellite/

This is a spoof right :eek:

Hank Scorpio

wha?

Satellite is a very expensive service.

cormie

So this is basically for anyone who has no hope of reliable broadband down the country? Cost is huge!

CutzEr

But surely.. If you had this kinda money you would move house instead of buying.. this..

It is still so slow it is.. omfg..

Hank Scorpio

you gotta think about it, its a satelite service

Nehow, why dont you try out the mobile midband providers, o2 and vodafone?

AlmightyCushion

CutzEr wrote: »

But surely.. If you had this kinda money you would move house instead of buying.. this..

It is still so slow it is.. omfg..

What happens if you don't want to move house?

watty

It used to be 10,000 and about 500 a month.

It works almost anywhere, with NO infrastucture. Nearly half of schools broadband scheme where using it due to lack of infrastucture in this country, Some have converted to DSL of Fixed wireless since.

Cheaper Satellite services can have very high contention (a transponder shared to most of Europe). Dedicated Satellite bandwidth is expensive. It's cheaper for TV than terrestrial as 180Million can use the same signal. The transponder for 10 TV channels only does Broadband Speed Internet for 50 people simultaneously, or 2500 users at 50:1 contention. Thus cost for Internet is about 70,000 times higher per person than TV.

bigpaddy2004

Its really only an option for businesses with no other choice and a want to stay in business.

Hank Scorpio

agree watty but its by no means a proper broadband alternative

voip and gaming, even poker applications will not work well, especially in cloudy/wet/stormy weather

It is really a last alternative.

yoshytoshy

can you send packets through these services or do you use a phone line to call for it ?

watty

The 790ms latency is a physical limit. so no games. Wierd VOIP.

In theory you should have a suitable Satellite / size of dish for bad weather. In practice many scdrimp on dish size, Only for 28.2 (full of UK TV so too dear) and IS907 @27.5 is the beam good for Ireland. Maybe new Telstar.

Most the satellite services we, esp the west is on the edge of a mainland europe beam.

I actually argued that Satellite should be in "Midband" forum due to latency issue. Some people (and all Satellite providers) don't agree. However due to way Satellite Modem/Hub spoofs IP / ARP etc, at 250ms latency the HSDPA or EDGE is slower to load a page than Satellite.

watty

yoshytoshy wrote: »

can you send packets through these services or do you use a phone line to call for it ?

No phone required. Only needs electricity and a view of the sky to south east or South west.

Proper VSAT is a two-way service, there is a transmitter 0.5W to 4W on the dish.

There are services that are a waste of money that augment dialup (phone) with satellite download. Add up eircom phone charges, online Internet dialup and the satellite download then the two way service can be cheaper if you ditch the phone line and apart from latency, the business services can do reliable Broadband speeds.

yoshytoshy

cheers watty:)

dub45

nuxxx wrote: »

agree watty but its by no means a proper broadband alternative

voip and gaming, even poker applications will not work well, especially in cloudy/wet/stormy weather

It is really a last alternative.

Gaming and poker may not be a huge issue for many people funnily enough!

jor el

Discussion more suited to midband.

smellslikeshoes

As someone who used to run a home internet business 100% on dialup I can tell you right now the 99 a month for always on internet is bloody good value for businesses who can't get broadband. A professional business satellite connection like digiweb provide would blow the rear end off other dialup substitutes like HSPDA most of the time. Of course its not going to compete with DSL, Cable or fixed wireless but if you are in a location that you can't get those its not a bad choice if latency isn't going to bother you.

CutzEr wrote: »

But surely.. If you had this kinda money you would move house instead of buying.. this..

It is still so slow it is.. omfg..

A completely unrealistic argument, even though there is people who move house so they can get good broadband its just not realistic for someone to have to sell up (especially in these economic conditions) so they can get broadband.

Cabaal

edited thread title as argggh is hardly a suitable title to help people decide what this thread is about

watty

It costs 10K to 20K to move house to an identical priced one.

In Limerick it might cost an extra 150k to 200k to move from a rural idyllic residence to an Urban housing estate with DSL.

Fuzzy Clam

If you live in an area with no other BB options then satellite is not so bad.
If you have neighbours in the same situation, it can be possible to share the connection via a network and share the cost with them. You do need to watch the cap limit though.

barnicles

Satellite's advantages are the ability to use it anywhere, and anywhere means where you can see the satellite in question.

Satellites disadvantages are the fact that the "mast" is 36,000km away and not much spectrum/connections are available. Thats why it costs so much for the provider to run.

CutzEr

But you can't actually run it 'anywhere' can you? I recall someone saying that the satellite needs to be facing towards the south, Which for some people they simply cannot do.

I must say, I am extremely bewildered that people are disagreeing with me, You are making a good argument I'll give you that, But for the first year it would cost over €2000 for speeds that are comparable to dial-up.

watty

No the speeds are up to a 1000x faster than dialup and at entry level about x10 ISDN speed.

The elevation is about 20 degrees, so a dish on a pole on the north side of a house wall can see over the peak of the roof, with only having bottom edge about 20cm above the gutter.

It's only the latency that isn't normal broadband spec.

CamperMan

CutzEr wrote: »

But you can't actually run it 'anywhere' can you? I recall someone saying that the satellite needs to be facing towards the south, Which for some people they simply cannot do.

I must say, I am extremely bewildered that people are disagreeing with me, You are making a good argument I'll give you that, But for the first year it would cost over €2000 for speeds that are comparable to dial-up.

True.... when the installer came round to put the satellite broadband in, he was shaking his head as he walked around the house.... he was struggling to get a clear opening for the dish to point towards the satellite... we are surround by big trees blocking the south.... he managed to put the ugly dish on the front of the house and point it through a small gap in the trees... he said we were very lucky to have had that gap.... or we would have had to cut some trees down...

Also, we live in rural Leitrim, where o2, Vodafone and 3 simply don't work, forget about dial-up, the phone lines are down frequently, either due to bad weather or hedge cutting, so we had no option but to go the satellite route

Fuzzy Clam

watty wrote: »

No the speeds are up to a 1000x faster than dialup and at entry level about x10 ISDN speed.

The elevation is about 20 degrees, so a dish on a pole on the north side of a house wall can see over the peak of the roof, with only having bottom edge about 20cm above the gutter.

It's only the latency that isn't normal broadband spec.

Entry level for Digiweb is only about 10 times the best dialup connection. 5 times ISDN.

The mounting brackets are not the same as conventional dishes and may be difficult to site on a wall not facing in the correct direction.