N7 Limerick To Nenagh Construction

Sponge Bob

Yep.

This delay is not Dempseys fault...and God knows I simply can't stand Dempsey . It is not even Frank Faheys fault :cool:

The delays are purely organisational and commercial.

mysterious

Sponge Bob wrote: »

God knows I simply can't stand Dempsey.

Dempsey is a tool.! He was the most usless piece of crap as transport minister. He was in two terms. And our road network ugh. public transport. Nuf said there. Why is he even in politics. He is actually someone who doesn't know a scratch about anything.

He actually spoke more ****e than all the mileage of roads built in Ireland to date.

That big square muffle jumble just really gets on my nerves.

Geogregor

mysterious wrote: »

Dempsey is a tool.! He was the most usless piece of crap as transport minister. He was in two terms. And our road network ugh. public transport. Nuf said there. Why is he even in politics. He is actually someone who doesn't know a scratch about anything.

He actually spoke more ****e than all the mileage of roads built in Ireland to date.

That big square muffle jumble just really gets on my nerves.

I don't know this guy, I don't follow Irish politics.
But do you really think ministers personally supervise projects like that?
I can't see minister going to the construction site and telling digger operator to dig faster:

" hey, Tommie dig here on the left, It doesn't matter there is water pipe"

There could be millions of reasons why projects are delayed. Traffic organisation issues, technological processes and so on. Building motorway, especially "under traffic" like here is a bit more complicated than erecting barn on somebody farm.

You guys are really spoiled with all this projects finished before deadline in last few years.
I can't remember even one project finished on time in Poland in last few years.

Amtmann

I have a few photographic updates. A bit of progress with the pavement and concrete barrier has been made, but we're still miles away from an opening.

This photo is taken from an overbridge west of the end of the Nenagh Bypass. You can access it by taking the first right turn up a narrow lane after you clear the bypass heading from Limerick. I photographed the same position last February; that picture is upthread.


This photo is taken from the same overbridge, this time looking towards the Nenagh Bypass and Dublin:


This photo, which looks east, was taken from an overbridge close to the turn off for Silvermines:


Taken from the same position, looking to Limerick:


Taken from an overbridge on the Limerick side of Daly's Cross, looking east:


Taken from the same location, this time looking west:

Chris_533976

Lots to do, but more progress than I expected

Amtmann

In fairness, looking back at the photos I took last February, good progress has indeed been made on the pavement.

BluntGuy

Looks like the May 2009 target is still on track then!

I just thought I'd make the point nice 'n' clear before the NRA re-schedules the completion date and then pretends that was the intended completion date all along.

flazio

Thanks for the pics Furet but on the last two pics you marked both of them as looking East, which one is actually west?
And also what were those pole things in the very last picture?

Amtmann

Thanks for that flazio, duly edited.

L1011

I'm also intrigued as to what those poles in the final photo are...

Amtmann

Believe it or not, the Nenagh to Limerick scheme is marked as open and operational on Google Earth!
Weird.

Regarding those concrete poles, I don't know what exactly they are, but I suspect they will carry the mainline over a particularly deep bog.

Amtmann

By the way lads - I had some hassle getting those photos.
On a very narrow L road close to Silvermines I had to stop, open a gate, cross a small rail line and close the gate behind me again twice before proceeding to climb one of the steepest hills I've ever encountered (my poor '96 Golf protests sometimes at even moderate hills, so it was quite an effort!). Then at Daly's Cross I turned left to go down an un-named L road which led to a godforsaken bog. The L road was like the Sea of Tranquility. There were mega potholes everywhere. I could only drive at about walking speed, and even that was dodge. To top it all off I had the window rolled down as it was such a nice evening, and a black and white dog shot out from a house and nearly bit my elbow off. That L road proved fruitless in the end after all that. Still, I'll go back there in July I think to see how things are coming along.

L1011

I'd presume the posts will either be piledriven further or cut off then? Otherwise thats going to be one incredibly steep rise

Amtmann

No idea...they've looked like that since at least November 2008. Berty, an engineer who posts occasionally on the M7 thread in the Infrastructure forum, commented on them here:

In this image you see many many structures. I am considering this to be one single structure. As this area is an utter bog I am going to presume these are the structural beams to support the carraigeway from dipping/sinking and to prevent water build up around the carraigeway due to the lack of drainage.

Amtmann

So, let's see where we're at.

1) Almost all structures seem to be complete.
2) The Nenagh Bypass is still a mess.
3) Pavement works have picked up and are now progressing well. Asphalt and sub-base is flying down, and there is good progress with concrete barrier installation.
4) Quite a bit of drainage works still to do.
5) Landscaping works seem to be very unadvanced.

I predict an opening in late October, possibly November. This year anyhow.

BluntGuy

I can see this finding its way into early 2010 very easily. Last time I was on the Nenagh Bypass and saw the M7 work at either end was quite a while ago, but it just seems too optimistic to expect it to open this year. On the bright side, at least the M7/M8 scheme has picked up somewhat.

I'm putting my money on February next year.

Bards

CRG pile drove similar posts to the ones seen in the pics above into the marsh land around Grannagh Junction last year on the Waterford City Bypass

Amtmann

BluntGuy wrote: »

I can see this finding its way into early 2010 very easily. Last time I was on the Nenagh Bypass and saw the M7 work at either end was quite a while ago, but it just seems too optimistic to expect it to open this year. On the bright side, at least the M7/M8 scheme has picked up somewhat.

I'm putting my money on February next year.

You could well be right. I'm basing my estimate on the progress made on the M8 Cashel to Cullahill (C-C) scheme, which was in many respects behind where the Nenagh to Limerick (N-L) scheme is now, as late as late June 2008.

Nenagh to Limerick has a small number of outstanding structures to complete. It's worth bearing in mind that two M8 overbridges at Urlingford weren't complete by August 2008; yet they were done in time for the early December opening. So, with most of the N-L structures complete and fully operational, and with only a few outstanding, it is very possible for them to be done by mid-autumn this year.

Similarly the pavement: I think the contractors seem to have sorted this aspect of the works out. Very considerable progress was made with all aspects (CBM/sub-base, asphalt, and concrete barrier) during the last nine weeks. This, to me, indicates that many of the problems seem to have been solved. The Nenagh Bypass upgrade is still a huge issue, however. It remains a big mess.

It all depends on how much of a handle the contractors have on the problems that plagued the project over the winter months. If the issues have all been resolved, then it can certainly open before the close of the year. If not, then yes, we could be looking at next year. But, we should bear in mind that contractors will be reluctant to lay the wearing course before March, so if it falls back to 2010, then we can probably say with some confidence that it won't open until at least May or June of that year. But based on what I saw yesterday, I find it hard to believe that there's another 12 months of construction left to do.

I admit that I am being optimistic, and perhaps a little foolish as well for comparing the N-L contractors to the professionals that are Roadbridge Sisk JV. But I am well impressed with pavement progress made in the past few weeks; and I do see cause for *some* optimism.

jrichardca

As a long ago emigrant from Nenagh I'm fascinated by how things have progressed (with the exception perhaps of local councillors!). It took a very long time to re-do the road from Springfort to the Five Alley back in the early 60's and it was dubbed the 'golden mile' at the time. Likewise the boggy area east of Daly's cross was a big 'achievement when it was upgraded. To think that there will be motorway between Nenagh and Limerick would have been impossible when I was a boy.
What is the anticipated opening for full M7 from Limerick to Dublin?

BluntGuy

Late 2010.

It's too early to say for sure if that'll be met - but I would be cautiously optimistic.

Amtmann

jrichardca, all of the interurbans, including the M7, will be finished by late 2010.

Regarding the M7, this might interest you:

jrichardca

Thanks guys

mysterious

This road should be finished this year for sure, i can't see why they wouldn't complete it this year, rather than having to bring them back after xmas again, just to touch up. It's very likely it will finish by Oct, Nov.

I can't wait to drive on this road when it opens.

Btw guys the Castletown scheme is really progressin well. The monegal area has already begun it last level of final surfacing before the Asphalt goes on top of it. The Borris in Ossary roundabout is almost done.

The Word Is Bor

On Nenagh to Limerick there are two bad sections of bog, Annaholty and Dromminboy. The Annaholty Bog can be seen from the current N7 by the Roadstone plant at Gooig. This is longest section of bog crossing. If anyone is interested there are a number of bog-tracks that intersect the spread which can be accessed from the N7 between Gooig and Daly's Cross. The other section of bog is near the level crossing between Daly's Cross and Lisnagry.

Sierra Oscar

Heh, would you believe my grandmother sold her plot of land a number of years ago to accommodate the construction works near Gooig.:)

There is a regional road that goes right through a section of the bog off the Newport road connecting to the current Dublin road, where a fly-over has been built for the motorway. It would make an idea area to have a view of the site if anyone is interested in doing so.

Also, all the blasting works have been finished at Birdhill now I think - a mighty lot of rock was removed.:)

Tech3

A few photos updates of the M7

Southbound from the R504


Northbound from the R504


Mainline at Nenagh


Underpass


The above is one of several underpasses Ive seen. I couldnt belive how many local roads I had to take off the N7 to get to an overbridge- the rest were underpasses. The Mainline under the R504 looks like it has its final layer of asphalt done on the northbound lane.

Carawaystick

It looks very straight, I though it was more modern practise to build curvy roads to keep some level of driver involvement to reduce falling asleep at the wheel issues. Compare the free and unfree sections of the M4

I know the Nenagh bypass was already built.

Tech3

Carawaystick wrote: »

I know the Nenagh bypass was already built.

Yes and the upgrade progress still seems to be very slow. The upgrade is looking harder than they first had thought. The tie in with the N7 southern ring road is still at a snails pace.

Tragedy

I do Dublin > Ballyb most weekends and been slowing looking at this take shape. Any idea when they will start opening completed sections?

Tech3

Tragedy wrote: »

I do Dublin > Ballyb most weekends and been slowing looking at this take shape. Any idea when they will start opening completed sections?

Neneagh - Limerick should be done for the end of the year when it was actually meant to be completed this month. Any chance you could take a few photos if ever you pass this section of road on your travels? Does anyone have a map of the overbridges as there was so many underpasses seen on route the other day would be easier than wasting time travelling down a local road to no avail.

mysterious

tech2 wrote: »

Yes and the upgrade progress still seems to be very slow. The upgrade is looking harder than they first had thought. The tie in with the N7 southern ring road is still at a snails pace.

From the Dublin road to Dolla Road bridge is full blown motorway. I checked a few weeks ago at the Dolla road bridge, its seems narrow, can they fit a narrow HS under the bridge. From the Dolla road bridge to the Limerick end whats the width here? The bridge just beyond the Dolla that is fairly wide and can fit the HS under it.

I wonder could they not speed it up now since the only major work left is the final laying. The earthworks, bridges, tie ins are fairly advanced. The final layer is already been layed, but just at a slow pace.

Tech3

mysterious wrote: »

From the Dublin road to Dolla Road bridge is full blown motorway. I checked a few weeks ago at the Dolla road bridge, its seems narrow, can they fit a narrow HS under the bridge. From the Dolla road bridge to the Limerick end whats the width here? The bridge just beyond the Dolla that is fairly wide and can fit the HS under it.

I wonder could they not speed it up now since the only major work left is the final laying. The earthworks, bridges, tie ins are fairly advanced. The final layer is already been layed, but just at a slow pace.

Which overbridge is it Im not too sure of the names. Theres 3 crossovers on the Nenagh bypass: R500, R497 and the R498. I can imagine some of them are going to be tight as they were originally meant to cover WS2. Picture updates would be great mysterious if you get the chance sometime.

Yep laying the concrete barriers and the last layers of asphalt stages are on several sections of the scheme right now. But the problem was this was meant to be entirely finished by now which is a disgrace IMO.

mysterious

tech2 wrote: »

Which overbridge is it Im not too sure of the names. Theres 3 crossovers on the Nenagh bypass: R500, R497 and the R498. I can imagine some of them are going to be tight as they were originally meant to cover WS2. Picture updates would be great mysterious if you get the chance sometime.

Yep laying the concrete barriers and the last layers of asphalt stages are on several sections of the scheme right now. But the problem was this was meant to be entirely finished by now which is a disgrace IMO.

Would you believe it i have like 30/40 pics already, but lost the cables for the camera, when I find them I'll upload them.

There is a local overbridge, between dolla road bridge and limerick bridge which is fairly wide.

smashingred

Can they not just open some sections of it then?

mysterious

Work is very scattered on the route, Minister cullen really ****ed up on selecting the right the contractor:rolleyes:

bacon&cabbage

tech2 wrote: »

Yes and the upgrade progress still seems to be very slow. The upgrade is looking harder than they first had thought. The tie in with the N7 southern ring road is still at a snails pace.

Towards the end of last year and start of this year there was virtually no work completed on this section, but over the last couple of weeks it has really picked up.

Do they not have to allow backfill to settle for a few months before laying asphalt ?
If so I think it might be a push to get the newport interchange finished by the end of the year.

Tech3

bacon&cabbage wrote: »

Do they not have to allow backfill to settle for a few months before laying asphalt ?
If so I think it might be a push to get the newport interchange finished by the end of the year.

It depends on a few factors. It does take time for the backfill to settle but it varies. Water in the soil can take longer to dry and settle in some cases. There is quick ways of getting around this but the last thing we want to see is substandard depressed surfaces and cracks on the dual carriageways in a few years time. And it wont suprise me if this does happen in some routes.

lukejr

I emailed www.midwestroads.ie and was advised that the new opening date set by the contractor is December 2009. So the road is seven months behind.

The Nenagh bypass upgrade appears to be moving along quickly though, hopefully that section will be open soon.

Wild Bill

Was in Limerick today and the view from the Nenagh bypass heading SW towards the N52 junction looks great - or should when it is finished. December will be the earliest opening date by my estimation. Way behind. I wonder will the Minister say at the opening ceremony "another roads project delivered behind schedule and...."? Guess not.

Tech3

lukejr wrote: »

I emailed www.midwestroads.ie and was advised that the new opening date set by the contractor is December 2009. So the road is seven months behind.

The Nenagh bypass upgrade appears to be moving along quickly though, hopefully that section will be open soon.

Here is a few photos on the M7 Thread over on the infrastructure forum. It should be finished for the end of the year:

tech2 wrote: »

A few more updates, I found this overbridge off the ballinahinch road. Its very near the bridhill interchange. I went around a few road lanes to find a closer one but no overbridge near the interchange itself it seems. Just a warning to not try these little roads I will never go on them again very poor condition with massive potholes. (best to use ballinahinch road parralel to the new motorway)




Looking southbound





Looking northbound





Gantry on the mainline
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KevR

That stop and go on the R498 where it passes under the Nenagh Bypass caused absolute havoc on the way home from Thurles on Saturday after the Galway match. There was roughly a 5 mile (8km) tailback queuing for the stop and go.

I'll be taking a different route this Sunday..

mysterious

The M7 From Nenagh to Limerick is severely inadequate in alllowing local access the whole way.


The Birdhill interchange should be given access to the south side of the route. There is no access from the Newport or Ballinahinch areas to get onto the M7 whatsoever. Infact there is no access to any part of mid Tipp to the interchange. Only the two interchanges at Nenagh and Limerick.

Whoever designed these interchanges. Isn't intellegent. ( I could say worse):mad:

Towns such as Newport, Dolla, Slivermines, Ballnahinch, killoscully and Mid Tipp Have no access to the M7 at all. Zero.


The two R roads actually join the N7. These r roads carry alot of regional traffic to and from the N7 directly. This traffic is restricted onto the Motorway when the motorway is then the main route.

L1011

Motorways are not designed to allow local access in the first place.

mysterious

MYOB wrote: »

Motorways are not designed to allow local access in the first place.

But the R504 and Silvermines road directly lead to the N7. Its about giving the motorway access properly. It doesn't need to be dotted with interchanges. Thats not what I'm implying.


I'm saying proper access is required where the interchange are and is located.

Look at N8 and N6 near Cork, Galway. They have great access and a cuple interchanges to provide local trafficgoing over it and onto its feeder routes.


The 40km route on the Nenagh to Limerick route has only ONE inadeqaute interchange which allows only one movement to Birdhill. The M7 cuts Mid Tipp in Half. The Old N7 Imo will still have alot of traffic on it.

So the motorway here is not very accessible.


The interchange near Limerick. don't get me started on that.

It just seems the NRA can get anything right.

L1011

Many houses lead directly to the N7... they don't get interchanges.

Its not designed to take local traffic. It is specifically designed to take long distance traffic.

mysterious

MYOB wrote: »

Many houses lead directly to the N7... they don't get interchanges.

Its not designed to take local traffic. It is specifically designed to take long distance traffic.

I never stated houses.

Stop arguing with me.

D'Peoples Voice

mysterious wrote: »

I never stated houses.

Stop arguing with me.

I'm with MYOB on this one,
too many junctions lead to cars bunching to allow otehr cars on and off motorways.
Motorways should only really feed national primary and national secondary roads, as they are the primary arteries to the various URBAN areas.

The Word Is Bor

Junction at Newport (start of scheme), junction at Birhill, junction at Carrigatogher (Nenagh), junction at Thurles Road and a junction at end of the bypass. 5 junctions over 36km. The reason there aren't any more junctions is beacuse the traffic isn't there to justify the construction of the junctions in the design year. This would be supported by COBA as well.

For all your talk about sub-standard junctions you want to go tacking on junctions willy-nilly which leads to a restriction in mainline flows/speeds.

mysterious

The Word Is Bor wrote: »

Junction at Newport (start of scheme), junction at Birhill, junction at Carrigatogher (Nenagh), junction at Thurles Road and a junction at end of the bypass. 5 junctions over 36km. The reason there aren't any more junctions is beacuse the traffic isn't there to justify the construction of the junctions in the design year. This would be supported by COBA as well.

For all your talk about sub-standard junctions you want to go tacking on junctions willy-nilly which leads to a restriction in mainline flows/speeds.

Ok I will start again...

Are you all clear this time?
I said EXISTING interchanges are inadequate. The route is 38km in lenght

There is no junction between Limerick and Nenagh bar the Birdhill interchange. It has no access for Tipp people to access the motorway bar north of the route. The Newport and R498, R504 has no access to this interchange at this point.

I'm not demanding another interchange. Btw this route is near Limerick it should have good access like any motorway approaching a city. In order to remove a lot of heavy traffic off the old alignment.


Look at Cork -Glamire, Galway -Balinsloe, Cork - Balincollig, Limerick - Adare, Dublin -Maynooth. They all have proper facilitated junctions.

The Birdhill junction is not a full access interchange. The R504 passes about 2km from the interchange and has no access to the motorway.

L1011

They have interchanges for significantly larger places. Newport has the population of a decent sized single housing estate in Celbridge, for instance...