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Nothingcompares

I think the referee was a bit slow in stopping the Lindland fight tbh.

chopperbyrne

Arlovski got too confident and got caught by a sweet right hook.

Even De La Hoya was impressed when he saw the replay.

Bravo didn't show the first match that was shown live last night.

One round that lasted almost sixteen minutes!

FrostyJack

Andre was so unlucky

Sloppy is a better word.

He was owning Fedor prior to the KO, I bet Andre is so sick now.

Great event, better than most UFC's except for the ropes and the non Buffer 180.

Turbo_diesel

Enjoyed the event as well show had some good fights with some sweet knockouts. Arlotski got too confident & should have just kept it to a boxing match instead of jumping in with the knee. Glad to see Fedor win all the same the man is a legend.

What did the rest of you lads think of the event comapared to UFC? Was it viewed a success in the US? Will we see more cards in the future & is it good for the sport to have some competition to the UFC?

Is there any hope to see a Fedor Broc superfight?

Sm0ke

FrostyJack wrote: »

He was owning Fedor prior to the KO, I bet Andre is so sick now.

Great event, better than most UFC's except for the ropes and the non Buffer 180.

I dont think he was. He was getting the better of the exchanges yes but as far as "owning" him he definetly wasn't. A fighter like Fedor would have brought him to ground if any of those strikes had actually hurt him and the kick that sent him into the corner was nothing more than a push.

yeah i missed the buffer 180

lol and Bobby Green with his " Hood " style lmfao !!! any one else see his excitement when he saw de la hoya and trump XD

FrostyJack

as far as "owning" him he definetly wasn't

Well if his plan was to wear him out like in a Rocky movie then he wasn't being owned but if it wasn't.... Was the stumbling on to his back foot part of his game plan? Tito and the rest of the commentary team overhyped the result and paid little attention to the schooling (though they did say Andre was winning the round). Fedor is a legend but a rematch would be much better than a Barnett snooze fest.

Utopia Parkway

Yeah I wouldn't say Fedor was getting "owned" standing up but he was definitely coming off second best. Arlovski's handspeed was giving him problems. Arlovski just got too confident after landing that front kick that sent Fedor stumbling backwards. Came diving in and got caught. As good a striker as he is Arlovski has been caught before and there have been questions raised about his chin.

Overall it was a good show although we might not even see another Affliction card unfortunately.

ginoginelli

FrostyJack wrote: »

Well if his plan was to wear him out like in a Rocky movie then he wasn't being owned but if it wasn't.... Was the stumbling on to his back foot part of his game plan? Tito and the rest of the commentary team overhyped the result and paid little attention to the schooling (though they did say Andre was winning the round). Fedor is a legend but a rematch would be much better than a Barnett snooze fest.

I thought Andrei was winning the striking battle as well. However, I have sinced watched the fight again a few times and tbh arloski didnt really land anything of significance. Fedor managed to slip most of the punches thrown. A push kick, a few inside leg kicks and a grazing right hand where the most telling shots. I think the excitment of the moment and the commentary just made it seem like Andrei was doing better than he really was..

Dont see any point in a rematch personally..

Barnetts going to be Fedors biggest competitive challenge to date. When Barnetts fully fit and has a full training camp he's very difficult to beat.

How you think the legitimate no 1 and 2 ranked heavyweights going head to head is going to be a snoozefest is beyond me..

FrostyJack

commentary just made it seem like Andrei was doing better than he really was..

Ok I retract my statement of owning, but he was being dominated and I saw nothing from Fedor that he could win bar the way he did, but it's all if's and but's though. Maybe Fedor could have taken him down and submitted him etc if he needed to, a rematch would answer this.

I have rarely seen an exciting Barnett fight, I see it ending like the Silvia fight (yes I know they're different types of fighters) expecially after his fight tonight where he couldn't finish his dinner. I doubt he could dominate Fedor like that, so I can only see one winner bar a punchers chance. I would much rather see a Lesner vs Fedor it would be a spectacle, and also so Lesner can say he actually fought someone before he retires.

Nothingcompares

I've seen this fight a few times now. The first time I watched and each time afterwards I've felt Fedor looked a bit wobbly and was ducking and diving in a very atypical way. He looked off-balance (although momentarily) a couple of times. The first time I saw the KO I thought AA was just unlucky to have his momentum colliding with Fedor's but on subsequent viewings it looks like although AA was reckless it was a peach of a punch thrown by Fedor.

As I said in an earlier post the main event was disappointing because it wasn't really that conclusive. Josh Barnett could fight Gilbery Yvel 10 times, and 9 times out of 10 JB would take him to the ground and win the fight. Maybe 1 in 10 GY will land that all important punch (maybe I'm being a bit hard on GY here but I'm trying to make a point).

But if we replayed the AA and FE fight 10 times I'd doubt we'd see a flying knee resulting in a KO for the kneer again. I'd love to see a the winner of Barnett and Fedor fight AA.

I asked my Dad (who doesn't know much about MMA or Boxing) what he thought of the main event and he thought the small, stocky baldy guy was losing until the bearded guy fell on the ground.

You can really understand AA's disappointment at the end. He must be so pissed for losing the way he did. Especially as the fight (for those 2.5 minutes) were going his way.

I suppose that's the great thing about MMA, you never really know what's going to happen after the bell rings.

Karmafaerie

Frosty Jack.
Im just wandering have you seen much of Fedorr's career?
This is not the first time that he's pulled a win out of seemingly nothing.
As he says himself, he doesn't plan a style for every oponent.
He goes in the ring, sizes them up, and then beats them!
Sometimes the oppertunity comes early, sometimes it takes him time.
The difference between Fedor and pretty much anybody else in MMA, is that when you give Fedor a half shot, he'll take it!

Randleman was dominating him, bang fight over.
Choi was even dominating him, bang fight over.
Against Fujita he was practically asleep, bang fight over.

ginoginelli

FrostyJack wrote: »

I have rarely seen an exciting Barnett fight.

Really?

I take it you hav'nt seen either of his wars with big nog then? his fights with rizzo, alexander, cro cop, couture?? the guy has been in a ton of exciting fights..

Id like to see him and brock too. This fight would be awesome on numerous levels.

Fedor didnt have his most impressive showing to date last night, he really worries me when he jumps forward, head down, swinging those haymakers..One decent uppercut connecting with the acumulative force of his body going forward and it could easily be lights out..

Beside that though, its hard to fault his performance, especially when he won with another first round knockout.

FrostyJack

Im just wandering have you seen much of Fedorr's career?

I haven't seen as much as the UFC fighters but I've a lot of them. Your right the same could be argued for Nog, he was being destroyed lots of times but pulled a sub out of the bag (Sapp and CroCop fights come to mind). I would just like to see would that oppertunity come again.

FrostyJack

I take it you hav'nt seen either of his wars with big nog then? his fights with rizzo, alexander, cro cop, couture?? the guy has been in a ton of exciting fights..

I didn't see the Alexander or Cro Cop fights but I saw the rest, he is a great fighter, has all the tools etc, but I find a lot of his fights like Tim Sylvia fights because of his size, that's just my opinion.

ginoginelli

FrostyJack wrote: »

I didn't see the Alexander or Cro Cop fights but I saw the rest, he is a great fighter, has all the tools etc, but I find a lot of his fights like Tim Sylvia fights because of his size, that's just my opinion.

Cool. We all got fighters we like and dont like to watch..

Not sure about the comparison to big tim though

Sm0ke

FrostyJack wrote: »

Fedor is a legend but a rematch would be much better than a Barnett snooze fest.

damn straight

wud be great to see a rematch without arlovski ending up like Skateboarder "POW, FACE PLANT!

T-K-O

Fedor cements his position as the baddest man on the planet - delighted he won by KO after all the **** roach said about him.

Evil_Clown

Overall enjoyed affliction had some great Knockouts and decent fights, hopefully the PPV numbers will be ok to keep the show alive
Arlovski was doing very well and easily winning the 1st round imo, if he had stuck to his boxing and leg kicks who knows ??
Vitor was back to his explosive best, and he was 1lb under the limit at weighin so it looks like he can make MW pretty easily, he could go places at that weight

Some comments on the actual show:
F**king hell Tito's interviewing skills suck
Did you see Fedors management people after the knockout it was like they won the lottery (which they probably had !!)
What do people think will be the other match-ups at the next Affliction besides JB v Fedor?
Tito v Babalu maybe
Do they have a decent opponent for Vitor

AARRRGH

Sorry if this is a silly question, but how come there were so many UFC people working at the fight, e.g. the referees, etc.?

Jason Mc

Good fights but show wasn't anyway near as slick as the UFC.

Tito was ok commentating during the fights but in the ring he was crap. Far too ****ing fond of himself. WTF was chuck zito doing with a mic backstage too?? And they had Golum commentating too which was cool!!

Fedor is definately an enigma. He did the wobbly fish dance asgainst fujita, got dropped on his scone against roidleman and his striking looked sloppy against AA. But just give him one chance and you are gone.

The Belfort bandwagon will be loaded again too. What were those doctors up too with lindland?

Charlie3dan

AARRRGH wrote: »

Sorry if this is a silly question, but how come there were so many UFC people working at the fight, e.g. the referees, etc.?

Yea It's like a UFC retirement ground
And it seemed like the fans were booing Tito everytime he started to interview someone? Didn't think he was that hated but he was pretty useless interviewing.

Couple of things:
Fedor's punch was just an instinctive reaction. It was thrown more like a safety swing than with intent of knocking AA out. And yet, AA ended up face down on the mat. Fedor is just unreal.

Bartnett was able to get his fight where he wanted it and maintained a very dominant position throughout the fight. Not only that but yvel didn't have great gruond skills either. Yet Bartnett had real trouble finishing it. I don't know how much of that can be attributed to the blood running into his mouth but I really don't see him as a challenge for Fedor.
I'd rather see a rematch with AA than see Bartnett get battered. Ideally though, I wanna see Fedor in the UFC.....unlikely as it is.

Dragan

Charlie3dan wrote: »

Couple of things:
Fedor's punch was just an instinctive reaction. It was thrown more like a safety swing than with intent of knocking AA out. And yet, AA ended up face down on the mat. Fedor is just unreal.

That is what people train day in and day out for, that automatic reaction.:)

Charlie3dan

Dragan wrote: »

That is what people train day in and day out for, that automatic reaction.:)

Yea exactly. You couldn't call it a lucky punch because that's exactly what he trains his body to do. But I still think he was quite suprised himself when he saw andre face down at his feet.

Karmafaerie

The Refferees, judges etc are state officials, sanctioned by the fight authorities.
The refferee all MMA events, and aren't exclusive employees of the UFC.
You can't contract a referee or judge to a private orginisation.
They work all the smaller shows and the like too, and seeing as most are originally boxing refs, quiet often you'll see them on smaller boxing cards.

Great to see Big John back reffin.

rovert

Deleted User wrote: »

Great to see Big John back reffin.

Expect to see more of him if rumours of a return to UFC are true.

dunkamania

I thought this show was very good.....makes you wish Affliction will still be running shows in 12 months time. I would have liked to see more of Fedor and Vitor. The Lindland KO was scary, the doctors were trying to get him to leave by stretcher but he refused. Babalu looked good, he had the right gameplan. Barnett was disappointing. Really liked the Buentello fight. Kiril should be looking at LHW or MW imo.

Official pay figures- if you believe thats all that Fedor was payed, than I have some magic beans to sell you......

MAIN EVENT FIGHTERS

– Fedor Emelianenko $300,000 (no win bonus) def. Andre Arlovski $1,500,000 (win bonus would have been $250,000)


MAIN CARD FIGHTERS

– Josh Barnett $500,000 (no win bonus) def. Gilbert Yvel $30,000 (win bonus would have been $9,300)

– Vitor Belfort $200,000 (includes $80,000 win bonus) def. Matt Lindland $225,000 (win bonus would have been $75,000)

– Renato "Babalu" Sobral $90,000 (includes $30,000 win bonus) def. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou $50,000 (win bonus would have been $50,000)

– Paul Buentello $90,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Kiril Sidelnikov $10,000 (win bonus would have been $25,000)

– Dan Lauzon $12,000 (no win bonus) def. Bobby Green $4,000 (win bonus would have been $4,000)

– Jay Hieron $45,000 (includes $25,000 win bonus) def. Jason High $10,000 (win bonus would have been $5,000)


PRELIMINARY CARD FIGHTERS

– Antonio Rogerio Nogueira $150,000 (includes $30,000 win bonus) def. Vladimir Matyushenko $50,000 (win bonus would have been $30,000)

– L.C. Davis $14,000 (includes $7,000 win bonus) def. Bao Quach $7,000 (win bonus would have been $6,000)

– Albert Rios $6,000 (includes $3,000 win bonus) def. Antonio Duarte $3,000 (win bonus would have been $2,000)

– Brett Cooper $10,000 (includes $5,000 win bonus) def. Patrick Speight $2,000 (win bonus would have been $3,000)

rovert

Someone posted this on the F4W board:

Just for comparison, the disclosed payrolls for UFC 91 and 92...

UFC 91 Payroll: $1,118,000
UFC 92 Payroll: $1,381,000

Dragan

Fair play to Andrei, the boy got paid.

As for Fedor's amount, i would imagine his win bonus is pretty vast.

rovert

Dragan wrote: »

As for Fedor's amount, i would imagine his win bonus is pretty vast.

$1.3 million according to Bloody Elbow.

ginoginelli

Id rather see Arloski get at least 3 solid wins before considering him for a rematch. I dont think there is much point anyway - his chin just cant stand up to Fedors kind of power.

Barnetts got the tools and skills to beat Fedor and will likely be his toughest test to date, its a fight that should have hapenned a few times already. Id rather see Fedor v winner of mir/brock but the barnett fights seems the most plausible at this stage.

mirwillbeback

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't say he was unlucky. But it was discomforting watching him be down and disorientated for the amount of time he was.

You weren't at the races yesterday Neil, normally you can see sarcasm a mile away.:eek:

I was saying that all this Arlovski unlucky talk is madness. He went for a strike, left himself open and was caught on the button.

Luck doesnt come into it. You win or you don't.

Killme00

ginoginelli wrote: »

Barnetts got the tools and skills to beat Fedor and will likely be his toughest test to date, its a fight that should have hapenned a few times already. Id rather see Fedor v winner of mir/brock but the barnett fights seems the most plausible at this stage.

At the end of rnd 1 and 2, Yvel turned Barnett and really shook him with shots. Fedor would be harder to fight on the ground than Yvel and would really punsih Barnett. This would be a very bad match for Barnett (physically not monetarily)

mirwillbeback

mirwillbeback wrote: »

You weren't at the races yesterday Neil, normally you can see sarcasm a mile away.:eek:

I was saying that all this Arlovski unlucky talk is madness. He went for a strike, left himself open and was caught on the button.

Luck doesnt come into it. You win or you don't.

No I really wasn't! Bad hangover and a bout of the fear man! I'm better today!


Arlovski wasn't so much unlucky as he got sloppy. If he rematched he would do better having learned his lesson the hard way.


I found watching Lindland last night on the TV to be very uncomfortable.


Anyone hear anything on him? Everything good I hope?

Killme00

Killme00 wrote: »

At the end of rnd 1 and 2, Yvel turned Barnett and really shook him with shots. Fedor would be harder to fight on the ground than Yvel and would really punsih Barnett. This would be a very bad match for Barnett (physically not monetarily)

the only reason Barnett ended up on his back was because he fought smart and only committed to subs with 10/15 secs left in the round.

He wouldn't go near his back vs Fedor without a fight. I think barnett has a great chance against Fedor. If he gets on top of him he could be very dangerous and he defo has the sub defence.

mirwillbeback

Deleted User wrote: »

No I really wasn't! Bad hangover and a bout of the fear man! I'm better today!


Arlovski wasn't so much unlucky as he got sloppy. If he rematched he would do better having learned his lesson the hard way.


I found watching Lindland last night on the TV to be very uncomfortable.


Anyone hear anything on him? Everything good I hope?

Wasn't nice at all mate, hope he's ok. In fairness to Belfort he stopped before the referee even jumped in. Another full punch could have done some real damage.

Did you my lads scrap, impressed?

Killme00

Deleted User wrote: »

the only reason Barnett ended up on his back was because he fought smart and only committed to subs with 10/15 secs left in the round..

I know that...but he also seemed to take alot of strikes when he was in mount, i just expected more thats all. I cant see him controlling Fedor on the ground like that.

Killme00

and what exactly were the doctors at with Lindland. They should have kept him on the ground until they were ready to let him up, not the other way round. Ref was slow, fair play to Vitor

meboloxitis

WOW ~ Fedor is one serious bad mo fo!!

I'm a big Arlovski fan & I thought that he had the better of the exchanges but Fedor is a beast! I seen that documentary bout him on mma tko & he is pure class! Really would have loved to see Fedor V Randy but not likely now:(

Only issue that annoyed me bout the Affliction production was the ring. I really can't understand why they don't use the cage??
I mean they pay millions to get the best fighters in the world on their card & use a ****ty boxing ring! I also thought the coverage was ****e! Tito was talking some bull & barely knew what he was on about.

Great card though... thought belfort was class at 185!!

rovert

meboloxitis wrote: »

Only issue that annoyed me bout the Affliction production was the ring. I really can't understand why they don't use the cage??

As they want to differentiate themselves from UFC

Jason Mc

methinks someone never saw pride.

I sort of throught afflicitaion was trying to look like pride with the guys lined up at the start, using the ring and having the fighters names displayed up on the stands in lighting.

They probably should have went for Bas and Quadros

ginoginelli

Killme00 wrote: »

I know that...but he also seemed to take alot of strikes when he was in mount, i just expected more thats all. I cant see him controlling Fedor on the ground like that.

lol Punches from a mounted opponent arnt going to do much to any elitle fighter. Yvel pulled out a gutsy performance but barnett still thouroughly dominated.

In Barnett we have the most well rounded opponent fedor has faced. Check his record, the guys a stud. He's hard to finish, wins by subs and tko's, and is good in every aspect of the game. The guy can put together a gameplan as well.

Fedor looked the most vulnerable we have seen him in awhile last night, I think if he does some of the same things against Barnett, Josh could capitalize. If Barnett can find his way on top in the fight with his skills + the weight advantage, I think he could prove to be Fedors biggest test.

ginoginelli

Jason Mc wrote: »

methinks someone never saw pride.

I sort of throught afflicitaion was trying to look like pride with the guys lined up at the start, using the ring and having the fighters names displayed up on the stands in lighting.

They probably should have went for Bas and Quadros

I love the ring personally. Especially the bigger sized one they use in affliction.

Killme00

ginoginelli wrote: »

lol Punches from a mounted opponent arnt going to do much to any elitle fighter. .

lol, i know that..they did seem to bother Barnett though and put him off his striking a little, so i guess they were an effective enough defense for Yvel while they lasted.

Also i dont think Barnett will mount Fedor as easily as he did Yvel.

Nothingcompares

ginoginelli wrote: »

In Barnett we have the most well rounded opponent fedor has faced. Check his record, the guys a stud. He's hard to finish, wins by subs and tko's, and is good in every aspect of the game. The guy can put together a gameplan as well.
.

I don't think Barnett has the speed in his hands the same way AA does to put fedor in trouble on his feet. I think the Fedor/Barnett fight will be won in the clinch, after some looping punches they'll both end up in a hug and who can come out on top will come out on top.

Killme00

ginoginelli wrote: »

In Barnett we have the most well rounded opponent fedor has faced. Check his record, the guys a stud. He's hard to finish, wins by subs and tko's, and is good in every aspect of the game. The guy can put together a gameplan as well. .

Are you forgetting Nog?

Karmafaerie

Personally I prefer the cage, but there's no denying the ring is astethically better.

I just hate when fighters like Sokoudjou dive through the ropes to escape.

ginoginelli

Killme00 wrote: »

Are you forgetting Nog?

Nog may go down in the annals of history as the better fighter, but I think Barnett is the more well rounded fighter, due to his better standup and all round defence.

meboloxitis

Don't see how using a ring is really going to differenciate Affliction from UFC when they have marketed their promo by signing most of UFC's past champs!

If there not ripping off UFC then it's a rip off of Pride! (Using the ring)

I personally just love the atmosphere when that cage doors slams shut.

Don't get me wrong though, what a card just scrap the ring & Tito commentary & they have a sporting chance of competing with UFC

Jason Mc

meboloxitis wrote: »

Don't get me wrong though, what a card just scrap the ring & Tito commentary & they have a sporting chance of competing with UFC

lETS NOT FORGET SCRAPPIN FERRELL AND CHUCK ZITO