Tefl in South Korea

FungiWalsh

Quick question: should I anticipate much of a wait in the Korean embassy when applying for my Visa? I get into Dublin at around 10am tomorrow morning, and they close at 12 apparently, so I just want to make sure I'll have enough time!

cloneslad

FungiWalsh wrote: »

Quick question: should I anticipate much of a wait in the Korean embassy when applying for my Visa? I get into Dublin at around 10am tomorrow morning, and they close at 12 apparently, so I just want to make sure I'll have enough time!

No, shouldn't be much of a wait! Did you call them to let them know you'd be coming? Have you an interview arranged?

squeakyduck

cloneslad wrote: »

Have you an interview arranged?

Do you have to do an interview at the embassy when applying for the visa? I just walked in filled in the form and gave them what needed to be given.

Andy!!

FungiWalsh wrote: »

Quick question: should I anticipate much of a wait in the Korean embassy when applying for my Visa? I get into Dublin at around 10am tomorrow morning, and they close at 12 apparently, so I just want to make sure I'll have enough time!

They don't close at 12, but they do stop taking in visa applications at that time (initial ones; if you are simply picking one up that you already applied for, I'm sure they will be more accommodating). Ring ahead and explain your situation just in case, and of course get a taxi from the airport, it will take you a solid hour to get from the airport to the embassy.

squeakyduck wrote: »

Do you have to do an interview at the embassy when applying for the visa? I just walked in filled in the form and gave them what needed to be given.

I didn't, and neither did the half dozen paddies I know here.

daesu

cloneslad wrote: »

No, shouldn't be much of a wait! Did you call them to let them know you'd be coming? Have you an interview arranged?

I'm pretty sure the Interview is no longer required unless there's something in your documents that they want to talk about further.

cloneslad

yeah, one of the things that was brought in in 2008 or 2009 was an interview. It was brought in for new applicants, who had never had an E2 visa, and had to be taken in your home country. it was to stop people working illegally then heading to Japan to process their visa.


I remember driving up to the embassy in 2010, despite having already had an E2 visa, handing in my documents and being told they needed to verify that I didn't need an interview. This verification couldn't be done there and then, despite me telling them I definitely didn't need one, and I had to drive back up the following day.

As are most things in Korea, they only decide when to do it on a 'how can we be most inconvenient basis', because I know of a few people who were able to get theirs done in Japan anyway. They may have gotten rid of the interview now.

formerrunner25

Hi all, just a quick question. I got a job in South Korea and I accepted. I already informed my recruiter that although I had completed my degree I would not receive my diploma until I graduate in November. She said it would be fine. So I sent over all the documentation and now she is saying we will have to wait to November until I graduate as I dont have the diploma. Anyone have any experience regarding this?

daesu

formerrunner25 wrote: »

Hi all, just a quick question. I got a job in South Korea and I accepted. I already informed my recruiter that although I had completed my degree I would not receive my diploma until I graduate in November. She said it would be fine. So I sent over all the documentation and now she is saying we will have to wait to November until I graduate as I dont have the diploma. Anyone have any experience regarding this?

Unless things have changed, you must have already graduated for the normal E-2 Visa for most jobs. Even a letter from your University stating you are going to graduate isn't enough.

Have you any kind of certification from Uni ? A 2 year Cert or 3 year diploma ? (Is that an ordinary degree nowadays ?)

I would suggest going to your University, explaining the situation, and asking if it would be possible to get a copy early.

Another option would be to teach without a degree. I have to search for the relevant links so I'll get back to you with details in a bit.

formerrunner25

Yes I have a 2 year higher certificate. I dont think this would qualify me for the visa though. I think I'll ring the school in the morning and see if there is anything they can do

Andy!!

formerrunner25 wrote: »

Yes I have a 2 year higher certificate. I dont think this would qualify me for the visa though. I think I'll ring the school in the morning and see if there is anything they can do

There are definitely people who have been in your situation that have been able to go over anyway. Unfortunately I cannot recall off the top of my head how they went about it; I would like to say a letter from the college sufficed, but I really can't remember right now. Your best bet would be to go back a few pages in this thread and start reading backwards. Also, contact the Korean embassy and ask. Is the job in a hagwon(private school) or public school? It could be a case that if its a hagwon they don't want the hassle. Apply for GEPIK anyway, they are a large enough institution, and so your best bet, considering they've probably had thousands applying in the same situation as you over the years.

Oh and of course, apply for a new garda certificate of character immediately, as you won't be seeing the one you sent over again most likely. What recruitment agency were you with?

formerrunner25

Yeh I read through the thread. There hasn't been to much mentioned on it. Eh the school is private. The recruiter told me she will know in 2-3 days whether it will be okay. Not quite sure why it's taking that long.

daesu

formerrunner25 wrote: »

Yes I have a 2 year higher certificate. I dont think this would qualify me for the visa though. I think I'll ring the school in the morning and see if there is anything they can do

No it won't qualify you for the normal E-2 Visa. But you can teach under a special government program in certain provinces without a degree as long as you have at least 2 years University study done.

Some Korean provinces convinced the Korean government to relax Visa conditions for certain areas because of the demand for English teachers. You would be limited to teaching in public schools in these provinces. I don't know which areas, but an educated guess would be Gangwon-do, Chungcheongbuk-do, Chungcheongnam-do, Jeollabuk-do, Jeollanam-do, Gyeongsangbuk-do, and Gyeongsangnam-do.

This doesn't necessarily mean you'd be in a small town or in the countryside, you could end up in one of the provincial cities such as Jeonju or Muan in Jeolla, for example, but I'd wager it would be the luck of the draw.

Please see here; http://www.talk.go.kr/ (Click on About Talk -> Program details)

You can also check out this (old) advertisement for one of these positions; http://dublincity.olx.ie/teach-english-in-korea-no-ba-degree-required-public-school-iid-15214451

One of the benefits to this is that they offer 6 month contracts so it would give you a taste of Korea before committing to a 12 month contract when you do get your degree diploma.

AFAIK they take people in August so unfortunately you may already be too late.

Andy!!

formerrunner25 wrote: »

The recruiter told me she will know in 2-3 days whether it will be okay. Not quite sure why it's taking that long.

Well, she's waiting back for word from immigration I'd say. In the meantime contact your college, the embassy here, and apply for a new certificate of character.

formerrunner25

I was going to ask the recruiter to send the documents back?ha.
I was actually wonder could I get blacklisted because of this as I did sign the contract and the school has all my details?

Andy!!

formerrunner25 wrote: »

I was going to ask the recruiter to send the documents back?ha.
I was actually wonder could I get blacklisted because of this as I did sign the contract and the school has all my details?

Nah man don't be worried about stuff like that! Come here and punch a student in the face, that'll get you black listed Don't be frettin' over stuff like that; the process may seem elaborate and very uptight but things ain't that serious.

Not sure if she would send the certificate of character back. She might though; the error was her own. Sit tight and wait to see what her response is. In the mean time it won't hurt to apply for another one, they are free. I did; in case my first job application didn't come through for whatever reason, and I received it not long after. Still have it, just never needed it.

formerrunner25

ha I see. I would apply for another job. But there is hardly any point if I dont have all the necessary documents. I might be best of waiting until September and looking out for jobs that start in November after my blasted graduation ha. Cant believe I might not be able to go until November even though I have completed my degree.

R.D. aka MR.D

A mate of mine here (Seoul) is looking for a new job and is having a bit of bother. Are things really that bad?
I keep telling him that its just a bad time because I see so many people on here landing jobs.

Any advice on any words of comfort I can extend to him?

daesu

formerrunner25 wrote: »

ha I see. I would apply for another job. But there is hardly any point if I dont have all the necessary documents. I might be best of waiting until September and looking out for jobs that start in November after my blasted graduation ha. Cant believe I might not be able to go until November even though I have completed my degree.

Or come to Korea on a working holiday visa and travel or work in a bar/restaurant for a few months until you can get your diploma mailed to you. You could also tutor English part-time to individuals to earn more money on the side if you were so inclined.

One of the main benefits of doing this is that it's easier to find jobs once you are already here and you can go interview and look at a place in person and decide whats best for you. Some of the better jobs always prefer hiring people who are already here who they can meet face-to-face.

daesu

R.D. aka MR.D wrote: »

Any advice on any words of comfort I can extend to him?

I take it he's looking for a job in the Seoul Metro area ? I've heard that many people have found it difficult to get jobs these days. I've even heard some of my friends turned down specifically because the schools had had a bad experience with an Irish teacher before and would no longer hire any Irish people.

If he needs a job quickly he could probably get one much more easily outside the Seoul area than within. And by the Seoul area, I don't mean Seoul city, I mean the metro area surrounding Seoul.

Andy!!

formerrunner25 wrote: »

ha I see. I would apply for another job. But there is hardly any point if I dont have all the necessary documents. I might be best of waiting until September and looking out for jobs that start in November after my blasted graduation ha. Cant believe I might not be able to go until November even though I have completed my degree.

If the worst scenario (this one) happens, be pro-active. Work. I have spent maybe 2 grand here so far (actually probably more) and have yet to receive a full months payment (cause I came half way through a month). So save.

Learn Korean. My Korean is shocking considering I've been here a while. Like, 5 words and the lyrics to Girls Generation songs :pac:, that's how bad I am. It's shameful. Go to talktomeinkorean.com and start downloading and listening. It's free.

Shop around for jobs. Start applying in October, and reject lots of jobs that aren't in the area that you want, or don't offer good wages/benefits. Don't let anyone tell you you can't get a job in a populated area, that's nonsense.

And finally and most importantly, do you have a certification? If not, get one. I was out drinking with other foreigners this weekend that are here as long as 10 years, and I'm starting to hear from them that public schools are now starting to reject applicants with only online certification (like mine). Hagwons still take them though, as far as I know. So AT LEAST do an online certification, that is AT LEAST an 140 hour one. Those are the rules nowadays. Keep visiting citideals, they offer them regularly for 1/5th the price I paid for mine. If you want to increase your chances with public schools, consider doing an in-class course, like a CELTA. These are a bit pricey at around 2 grand, but worth it if if gets you a job.

Everything happens for a reason; maybe you need to do these things before you come over. It'll still be here in November (hopefully ) so no need to rush!

cloneslad

There have been people who have gotten a letter from their University and had it stamped etc, and they were able to get jobs. Unfortunately these are people I have read about and not known, but as far as I'm aware, it is possible.

If you're only goin to teach in a hagwon, don't bother with a TEFL course, they don't care about them, and they won't get you any extra cash.

If you want to teach English long term, don't do a 100,120,160 etc hour course, get a CELTA and do it properly, or else do the Masters in TESOl from Birmingham when you're over in Korea.

formerrunner25

Hi Guys my recruiter got back to me and Incheon immigration office will accept the documents. I have been offered an interview for a school in SiHeung? can anyone tell me about the area?

daesu

formerrunner25 wrote: »

Hi Guys my recruiter got back to me and Incheon immigration office will accept the documents.

I'm surprised at that but congrats.

I have been offered an interview for a school in SiHeung? can anyone tell me about the area?

What do you want to know ? It's about an hour from the centre of Seoul, an hour from Incheon city, and 40 minutes (or much less by taxi) from Bucheon city. I know people who used to live there and they liked it well enough.

There's lots of buses and I believe there's an old railway line been reopening this year as a renovated subway line to connect Siheung to Incheon and Suwon.

formerrunner25

Thanks I was very surprised myself to be honest. I had given up hope and had planned on waiting until November.
That sounds good. Eh just any general information about the city really. Is it big? is it a modern city? Is it a good area for a tourist.. I know I'm not going on holidays or anything. Would there be good night life?

daesu

By the way, Siheung city or Siheung-dong in Seoul ?

The information I've been giving you is about Siheung city http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siheung
Siheung-Dong is a neighbourhood in Geumcheon, one of the districts of Seoul. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geumcheon-gu

The latter would probably be a more preferable place to live for most people.

formerrunner25 wrote: »

Eh just any general information about the city really. Is it big?

Not by Korean standards. The population is only about half a million. Here's the government website for the city. http://www.siheung.go.kr/english/index.jsp

is it a modern city?

It has old parts and new parts. I don't know where you're going to be.

Is it a good area for a tourist..

There's a theme park and other recreational facilities there. You are also going to be quite close to other cities like Seoul, Incheon, Bucheon, Suwon etc. where there are lots of tourist sites.

Would there be good night life?

This is a very difficult question to answer. Like anywhere in Korea there are restaurants, bars*, and nightclubs* open until the early hours. Some stay open almost 24/7.

But you have to understand that the culture here is extremely different from what it is like at home so when I say bar and nightclub I don't mean bars and nightclubs like at home.

- Bars in Korea are places to go with friends to eat and drink. They are not places to go to meet strangers or pick up singles. Korean bars have tables for 2+ people, you don't go there alone. There are some foreign-style bars where you can just drink but most places will require that you buy some food.

There may be a real foreign bar there to cater for the foreign community but if there is one I don't know about it and neither do my friends who lived there last year.

- Korean nightclubs are places to go with others to sit down, eat expensive food, and buy expensive alcohol. You do not walk around and meet people, you do not go talking to strangers. There isn't usually a bar, you have a waiter who will take your orders for you. If you want to meet a lady you have to give the waiter money and he will go to a table of single women and drag her over to your table. You are then expected to buy her a drink and she is expected to stay until the drink is finished at which point she can choose to stay or go back to her friends.

If you're a woman you can go to these places for free or for cheap but I wouldn't recommend it.

I've very rarely met any foreigners who ever went to these nightclubs because A) they are very expensive, you need to go in a group, C) you pretty much need to speak at least basic Korean, D) many of them will refuse entry to foreigners because they don't understand the etiquette and end up annoying other customers, and E) going to pick up the opposite sex is usually a futile endeavour for various reasons.

There are nightclubs which are American/European style (Koreans call them "Nite") but they are pretty much isolated to Itaewon, as well as one or two other places such as Hongdae and Gangnam. Almost all of which are in Seoul.

Andy!!

formerrunner25 wrote: »

Hi Guys my recruiter got back to me and Incheon immigration office will accept the documents. I have been offered an interview for a school in SiHeung? can anyone tell me about the area?

Congrats. Just had a look at where SiHeung is situated (the city) and, hmm, I would maybe try and push your recruiter for something closer to Seoul. Unless you don't have a TEFL or anything, in which case, you will need to take whatever is offered. Every recruiter I spoke to absolutely required me to have a TEFL certificate (most refused to give me a position because I had no previous experience, despite having a TEFL) so if they are offering you this position with no TEFL and no degree in hand, I say grab it ASAP.

Actually, you're not that bad geographically. You'll probably just have to take one bus to connect to the subway then you're off. I can tell you that if you are close to Bucheon, which you are, you will have a very very good time in Korea :pac: I prefer Bucheon to parts of Seoul tbh.

I'm literally on the other side of Bucheon, in Gimpo. We'll grab a pitcher when you're over

formerrunner25

Thanks for the feedback guys. Have the Tefl but wont have the degree in hand until Nov...bit of a pain that the graduation is so late..I think I'll go for it..I have a friend in Incheon as well..so Ill be pretty close to him as well. ha plenty of pitchers will be had

Andy!!

Good stuff. The next part of the process is once the recruiter has all your documents she will apply for a visa number, then when she gives you that, head to the embassy ASAP with your passport and I believe 35 euro, from what I remember, the charge for the visa.

Brokentime

daesu wrote: »

I've very rarely met any foreigners who ever went to these nightclubs because A) they are very expensive, you need to go in a group, C) you pretty much need to speak at least basic Korean, D) many of them will refuse entry to foreigners because they don't understand the etiquette and end up annoying other customers, and E) going to pick up the opposite sex is usually a futile endeavour for various reasons.

There are nightclubs which are American/European style (Koreans call them "Nite") but they are pretty much isolated to Itaewon, as well as one or two other places such as Hongdae and Gangnam. Almost all of which are in Seoul.

Agreed. Traditional Korean nightclubs are the pits. Hard to get into the vibe and know what is exactly going on there. It's just a kind of 'show and tell' thing; overpriced drinks and showing off.

I'm not saying stick to the expat places, just to dip your toes into all pools and see which feels best. Great thing is, though, that you can start a night out in front of a convenience store; get a few cans or bottles (most shops will actually open the bottles for you, too), plant your arse in a seat out front if they have them, and watch the world go by. Then, when your 'Hite'ened' senses kick in, plan the night.

zweton

Is there much money to be made teaching english in South Korea?
Is it a career?

Brokentime

zweton wrote: »

Is there much money to be made teaching english in South Korea?
Is it a career?

It can be a career, and it's a very transferable skill, which you can do around the world (assuming you gradually gain some qualifications etc.). It's also enjoyable and worthwhile, and certainly provides its own set of challenges.

And yes, you can make some good money in SK doing this. Initial jobs you get will be reasonably well-paid, but with perks like free accommodation and a cheap cost of living, you can save a lot. Do it for a year or two, get some experience, do some courses, and then you can move up the ladder quite easily, and the pay will increase accordingly.

So, yes and yes.

daesu

zweton wrote: »

Is there much money to be made teaching english in South Korea?

That depends on how hard (long hours) you're willing to work and what qualifications you have.

If you go there for the average job teaching children for 6-8 hours a day you can earn anything from 2 million to 3+ million won (2100 euro) a month and you have free accomodation on top of it. In Korea that is a good salary. Your average Korean officer worker would start on 1.5 - 1.8 million won without accomodation.

If you work two jobs, like a morning (7/9am - 10-12) and an evening (1/2pm to late) then you could earn twice that. It's easy to find a morning job for adults/kindergarten kids and couple that with an evening job.

If you get a job as a language consultant (training staff to work abroad, teaching English, helping them practice business negotiations etc) in one of the conglomerates like Samsung than you can earn up to 6-8 million won (5,500 euro) a month + free (And very nice) accomodation. I have several friends doing this and there doesn't seem to be any basic qualification except having a degree. They do, obviously, prefer people with experience, a relevant degree (business, international relations etc) and a self sponsored visa (Korean-Americans/Canadians/Europeans/Australians, Permanent residents etc) but I know an English guy who got in with only a degree in engineering and 2 years experience.

Some people who have lived here long enough to become permanent residents through marraige or through taking a points test coupled with time spent here can make up to 10+ million won (7,000 euro) a month by working for themselves.

Is it a career?

A lot of people make it their career.

Andy!!

zweton wrote: »

Is there much money to be made teaching english in South Korea?

Eventually. You'll most likely start out on 2.1 a month for the first year, they seem to have evened that out across the country. If you're lucky you might land 2.2/2.3, but that's a sure sign they are sticking you out in the boonies. Not sure if places like China offer better pay overall, any insight on that BrokenTime?

2.1 is fine, but I see people saying that's a fair bit of money. If you sit in your apartment every night and eat only rice and spam, or ramen, yeah, your bank account will soon grow substantially. But if you go out, socialise with other foreigners and koreans, it's just an ok salary in my opinion. The way it works out here, I was making about a grand more in euros back in Ireland per month (but less quality of life; a very acceptable trade-off). Electronics are expensive here, that's something I do miss; having the free cash to buy a new shiny toy every month :pac:

Don't forget that's before tax too, you'll be seeing 1.9 or even 1.8 of it most likely when they have finished all deductions/health insurance/pension payments (that I don't think we can even get back, again, BrokenTime, do you know different?).

zweton wrote: »

Is it a career?

I hope so. I plan to see many countries teaching English.

cloneslad

zweton wrote: »

Is there much money to be made teaching english in South Korea?
Is it a career?

I was able to save €13-14,000 in my last 12 months in Korea. The exchange rate was also worse than it is now, so that could have been pushed up by a grand or so, with today's rates.

It's definitely somewhere you can earn a good amount of money, as your expenses are very limited.

I make quite a bit more money in Ireland than I was making in Korea, but I couldn't possibly save that much here.

It's a career if you put in the work and educate yourself enough. You have to get the right breaks the make it a rewarding and enjoyable career.

MakeEmLaugh

I have a 2:1 Degree from UCD, majoring in English. Could this be used for teaching in South Korea, or would I need a TEFL qualification?

Any feedback appreciated.

cloneslad

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

I have a 2:1 Degree from UCD, majoring in English. Could this be used for teaching in South Korea,

Yes

would I need a TEFL qualification?

Nope, A TEFL is not a requirement for a visa, though some jobs may look for it.

It might look good on a CV and it would give you some help teaching, but it's not a requirement.

daesu

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

I have a 2:1 Degree from UCD, majoring in English.

They will absolutely love you. You would have a good chance of swinging a University job in the future with a major in English if you have a years experience behind you. University jobs here usually advertise that they want someone with a Masters (in anything, TESOL preferred) minimum but they settle on people with degrees (in anything) more often then they'd admit. Uni jobs are really good here, very low hours (14hrs+ a week) for relatively high pay (2.5-3 million+) and 5+ months paid vacation.

or would I need a TEFL qualification?

No you absolutely don't need it, especially with your major.

A TEFL qualification may help you get a job if you are competing against someone without one for the same job or it may help you get slightly higher pay in some schools but generally it is completely insignificant when compared against other factors such as major, nationality, race, age, and sex.

For example, in most cases schools want North American White people followed by English/North American black people, followed by the rest (Aussie, Irish, South African) in various orders depending on the school.

A TEFL cert may help you learn how to teach but it's really not worth much for getting a job.

camoramo

daesu wrote: »

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

I have a 2:1 Degree from UCD, majoring in English.

They will absolutely love you. You would have a good chance of swinging a University job in the future with a major in English if you have a years experience behind you. University jobs here usually advertise that they want someone with a Masters (in anything, TESOL preferred) minimum but they settle on people with degrees (in anything) more often then they'd admit. Uni jobs are really good here, very low hours (14hrs+ a week) for relatively high pay (2.5-3 million+) and 5+ months paid vacation.

or would I need a TEFL qualification?

No you absolutely don't need it, especially with your major.

A TEFL qualification may help you get a job if you are competing against someone without one for the same job or it may help you get slightly higher pay in some schools but generally it is completely insignificant when compared against other factors such as major, nationality, race, age, and sex.

For example, in most cases schools want North American White people followed by English/North American black people, followed by the rest (Aussie, Irish, South African) in various orders depending on the school.

A TEFL cert may help you learn how to teach but it's really not worth much for getting a job.

I have a degree in English and to be honest it didn't seem to benefit me at all. It only seems to make a difference salary wise for public schools.

Andy!!

camoramo wrote: »

I have a degree in English and to be honest it didn't seem to benefit me at all. It only seems to make a difference salary wise for public schools.

I would have thought it would make a big difference, at least in the amount of offers you get, if not a slight .1 bump in salary. Would you say it is more beneficial for negotiating than having a TEFL? I would have assumed so.

daesu

camoramo wrote: »

I have a degree in English and to be honest it didn't seem to benefit me at all.

In what kind of employment? Hagwon? The majority of Hagwons couldn't care less what qualifications you have. As long as you're a foreigner and speak english.

When I spoke about benefits I talked about Universities but I should also have mentioned public schools and adult schools. There are a lot of good jobs out there and they actually do care about your suitability for the role so someone with a major in english is obviously in a better position than someone with another major.

It only seems to make a difference salary wise for public schools.

I didn't say it made a salary difference anywhere but you're right it can in public schools and other positions.

All I'm saying is that people with a major in English are in a much better position to get one of the better jobs than someone else.

If 50 people send their resumes for a job teaching english and 49 of them have degrees in engineering/science, 1 guy has a degree in English, then, not considering other factors it's obvious who the school are going to want to hire.

Brokentime

Andy!! wrote: »

If you're lucky you might land 2.2/2.3, but that's a sure sign they are sticking you out in the boonies. Not sure if places like China offer better pay overall, any insight on that BrokenTime?

And despite what you think, and what an agency tries to convince you of, if it's your first time in Korea, AVOID the boondocks.

You know, I was fairly convinced that China paid less than Korea for an entry-level teaching job, Andy. But I did a check on XE.COM for what Y12,500 Chinese yuan (the average take-home salary for a new teacher) is in Korean won, and it's W2,236,243 (2.2). So it's more than the entry level Korean positions, it seems.

However, tax here is higher, and unlike Korea you have to pay for your own accommodation and bills. The jobs that do offer you digs here are usually schools and universities, but the quality of the accommodation can be... well, fairly nasty. My first job in China was like this, and I eschewed their offer of a room on campus in favour of getting my own place because the room on campus basically had mold and all sorts of filthy crud in it. But that was a very dodgy job, of which there are many in China.

Cost of living, depending on where you are, probably varies, too. Shanghai is at least as expensive as Seoul, if not more so for certain things. That said, public transport is cheaper than Seoul. Rent prices are good, and (compared to some of the kips I've lived in back in Dublin) you can get a pretty swish apartment in the city for about E550-600 euros.

Nightlife prices are pretty much on par with Seoul.

So, for an entry-level position, all told, you'll end up with more in your pocket at the end of the month in Korea. So, I suppose, for the first few years of teaching, it's a good place to begin and get some cash together.

Andy!!

But, thats 2.2 before rent right? So surely it works out as less than a Korean entry level job? I was offered 2.7 in Busan with no accomodation arranged, so that shows roughly how much rent is a month (approx 600,000 won).

To be honest I would really love to do a year in China; not sure I could live with a moldy apartment in a smog ridden city though. Methinks I would have to be far more cautious in choosing a position in China than I was with Korea. Though I really lucked out here, I got a great hagwon, was all chance really.

Interesting reading about money.. I didn't know you could jump up the payscale so much in Korea so my opinion of it has changed a bit.

I've mentioned that people should consider Vietnam before in this thread but no one cares.. Keeps supply low.

squeakyduck

Jisan this weekend anyone?

daesu

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Interesting reading about money.. I didn't know you could jump up the payscale so much in Korea so my opinion of it has changed a bit.

Well the easiest way to make good money in Korea by far is to work 2 or even 3 jobs at once. Most people, especially irish, here on a first visa tend to go through a recruiter and end up in a relatively poorly paid position considering the hours they put in.

For example I know several people over the years who have worked, or rather have been at work, for 7-9 hours a day for 2.2-2.4 million won. And that's fine for many people. But when you consider that you can make 2.7 million won for an after school program for 4 hours a day (minus accomodation) its really not the best way to make money.

Recruiters get paid to stick people into jobs and a disproportionate number of these jobs which are through recruiters are the bottom of the barrel jobs which schools have problems filling.

Most of the better positions I've seen here don't use recruiters and instead hire directly from people who are actually here already.

Now don't think I'm saying all recruiter jobs are bad and all non-recruiter jobs are good. I'm just speaking in general.

Basically if you want to make money in korea get a morning job teaching kindy or adults and couple that with an afternoon position at an after school program, and if you really want to make more you can find another job teaching adults or possibly highschool kids at night.

Simple example; my friend works 8am-11am at a kindy school for 1.8 a month. 1pm-5/6pm at an after school program for 2.7 a month(2 saturdays a month included), and 7-9/10pm at an adult school for 2.0/2.1 a month. (2 saturdays a month included).

Now that's long hours yes but she makes 6.6 million won a month before tax. Just under 6 after tax I believe (over 4000 euro). 600,000 is rent as accomodation isn't included.

3 jobs isn't usual and my friend was lucky to find jobs where the hours and locations worked out well for her. 2 jobs are quite usual these days though.

I've mentioned that people should consider Vietnam before in this thread but no one cares.. Keeps supply low.

I was in vietnam for a business trip before and loved it. I certainly would have taken the chance to go there in the past or even possibly in the future if for no other reason than the food and beer. South Korean beer is piss. Worst in Asia by far. Even North Korean beer is better.

daesu

Here's an example of what I mean by an after school program.

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=53789

They want an E-2 transfer visa or permanent resident visa. What the E-2 transfer means is that you already have a main job that sponsors your E-2 visa, they want to be the second work place on the visa but will not sponsor it themselves.

Pay is 2.8 million won for 25 hrs (max) a week, so think 4-5 hours a day max. It doesn't state time but these jobs are usually 12/1pm to 5/6pm.

So if you had a position, like a kindergarten or adult school, to sponsor your visa and the hours worked out these kind of jobs are great for doubling your income.

Andy!!

squeakyduck wrote: »

Jisan this weekend anyone?

Sorry, heading to Jeju for the summer hols. Have a good one lads

daesu

Andy!! wrote: »

Sorry, heading to Jeju for the summer hols. Have a good one lads

First time ? I highly recommend the black pig (huk dey-ji 흑돼지). Ignore anyone who tells you anything nasty about their diet, that was in the past, not these days.

Make sure you go to Seongsan Ilchulbong. http://english.visitkorea.or.kr/enu/SI/SI_EN_3_1_1_1.jsp?cid=264207

Hiking up it will take you a few hours but it's worth it.

Brokentime

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I've mentioned that people should consider Vietnam before in this thread but no one cares.. Keeps supply low.

heard this and was interested; I'm contracted for 3 years to this job, but might make a move afterwards, if the missus can get a job there too.

Tell us why it's so good

camoramo

daesu wrote: »

In what kind of employment? Hagwon? The majority of Hagwons couldn't care less what qualifications you have. As long as you're a foreigner and speak english.

When I spoke about benefits I talked about Universities but I should also have mentioned public schools and adult schools. There are a lot of good jobs out there and they actually do care about your suitability for the role so someone with a major in english is obviously in a better position than someone with another major.



I didn't say it made a salary difference anywhere but you're right it can in public schools and other positions.

All I'm saying is that people with a major in English are in a much better position to get one of the better jobs than someone else.

If 50 people send their resumes for a job teaching english and 49 of them have degrees in engineering/science, 1 guy has a degree in English, then, not considering other factors it's obvious who the school are going to want to hire.

Yes I completely agree that it would be beneficial over another major, but the biggest concern with different recruiters that I used was the fact that I wasn't American/ Canadian.
It's good to know about future prospects in the universities though!

The first hagwon interview I had I was able to negotiate a better salary but didn't get the job (probably why :P).

After that it didn't change much. YBM were only offering 2.0 and I asked would my English degree not push that up and they said only if I had photographic proof of teaching experience along with it. I actually did but that only brought it to 2.05 so I took a job elsewhere.

The fact is that this year it has gotten much more competitive as more people are applying and there have been cutbacks in the public schools. I definitely would recommend doing a combined TEFL. I did an online one and one school was concerned about it only being online.

The job I got in the end I didn't even do an interview for, I just made a video clip and they were impressed so that saved me getting up at stupid o'clock