Robbie Keane

Mental Mickey

CivilServant wrote: »

Keane runs around like a headless chicken. Pointing where he wants you to play the ball, and pulling faces when he never gets it. Misses tonnes of chances that an average striker would put away. Tries things that come off 1 out of 1000 times. Claps for passes that he doesn't get on the end of. Gets pushed off the ball easy. Makes himself open to receive the ball and then passes the ball straight back. His general play is very poor and ineffective. So the quick summation of that is, not good enough for Liverpool, he's sh*te.

I disagree.

*Waits for the torrent of abuse*

Jazzy

Boggles wrote: »

I can back Jazzy up on this, he really has detested the Keane transfer from the start, quite sterling in his detest actually.

Mr. Alan and the rest of the Rafa Rant Cheer Leaders have flip flopped like a freshly caught salmon on the rocks.

indeed, i know my football ^^

wanna talk about Dossena? hes been fabulous so far.
wonder who signed him? parry, rafa, g&h... roy keanes dog ?

Mental Mickey

pvt.joker wrote: »

I'm half expecting Mr.Alan to do a Rafa, show himself up as a clown, and start quoting some "facts"

Mental Mickey

Jazzy wrote: »

indeed, i know my football ^^

wanna talk about Dossena? hes been fabulous so far.
wonder who signed him? parry, rafa, g&h... roy keanes dog ?

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D Don't get me started on him!?

Woof!

SlickRic

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

With or without Keane IMO you are relying on Torres and Gerrard staying fit if you want to win the league.

agreed.

just like utd rely on ronaldo and rooney
just like chelsea rely on lampard and anelka/drogba
just like villa rely on young and gabby
just like arsenal rely on vp and fabregas

teams rely on their best players...then its the squad players who need to kick in when injuries happen or rests are needed.

keane was a squad player; a plainly unhappy squad player. he had done better than most will recognise, but he couldn't dislodge our first choice gerrard/torres partnership.

whether keane should have been kept for more options, or let leave as he did because it was a good deal and better to have a dressing room with people happy with their role is open for debate. personally i'll trust rafa for now and make judgment at the end of the season.

let's hope the depth we still have that rafa has spoken about can hold up.

eZe^

I thought Keane was a flop at Liverpool, but that doesn't mean he should have been sold, especially for a loss. How many strikers have seemlessly fit into a system within twelve bloody months, not to mind 5. This record is just beoming swings and roundabouts though. Most people have said their bit, and the next 5 months will determine whether it was a good decision or not.

Bounty Hunter

Appart from Keane wanting to play for the team he followed as a kid the move to Liverpool never really made any sense in the first place. Keane is a very good striker and could be worth up to 20m to the right club who need a player like him but that club wasnt Liverpool. Why wasnt the 20m spent on a player expect to start like a winger? Silva, Arshavin etc were linked previously for that much or less. What Liverpool really could have used is a 15-20m RW and spend the rest to get Heskey (like Villa did), He woulda played second fiddle to Torres or made a good partner for him (but wouldent have been happy with 3rd choice behind Keane) and they were strongley linked.

SteM

SlickRic wrote: »

just like utd rely on ronaldo and rooney
....

Although United have gone top when Rooney has been injured and Ronaldo has been playing poorly....

eZe^

SteM wrote: »

Although United have gone top when Rooney has been injured and Ronaldo has been playing poorly....

Just like Liverpool went top without Torres, and beat Utd without Torres or Gerrard (most of the game). His point still stands, Utd are a different team without two of their best players, that's the case for any team in world football ffs.

Mental Mickey

SlickRic wrote: »

agreed.

just like utd rely on ronaldo and rooney
just like chelsea rely on lampard and anelka/drogba
just like villa rely on young and gabby
just like arsenal rely on vp and fabregas

teams rely on their best players...then its the squad players who need to kick in when injuries happen or rests are needed.

keane was a squad player; a plainly unhappy squad player. he had done better than most will recognise, but he couldn't dislodge our first choice gerrard/torres partnership.

whether keane should have been kept for more options, or let leave as he did because it was a good deal and better to have a dressing room with people happy with their role is open for debate. personally i'll trust rafa for now and make judgment at the end of the season.

let's hope the depth we still have that rafa has spoken about can hold up.

A: Keane is far better than most of our squad players.
B: I don't think it will?
and finally...................
C: Rafa to be sacked/resign at the end of the season.

redout

SteM wrote: »

Although United have gone top when Rooney has been injured and Ronaldo has been playing poorly....

True but United are playing poor and the other teams have helped us go top because of their own poor displays which have resulted in dropped points.

Headshot

is this thread still going

anyway its very hard to keep a 20million player on the bench,
and Keane had probly a distributive attitude in the dressing room


finally its soccer,some players work out some don't
its a gamble

Rafa just got it wrong this time ,but liverpool did a great job in only loosing around 5m for keane

Mental Mickey

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

is this thread still going

its very hard to keep a 20million player on the bench,
and Keane had probly a distributive attitude in the dressing room


finally its soccer,some players work out some don't
its a gamble

Rafa just got it wrong this time ,but liverpool did a great job in only loosing around 5m for keane

What?

SlickRic

Mental Mickey wrote: »

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A: Keane is far better than most of our squad players.
B: I don't think it will?
and finally...................
C: Rafa to be sacked/resign at the end of the season.

as has been said here before, Rafa is the only one out of all the boardroom that deserves to survive.

if you can't see that, nobody can help you anymore.

do posters here keep having to say it, to liverpool fans no less?! it's disgraceful. 2 points from top spot isn't what it could have been, but we wouldn't be where we are if it wasn't for him.

keane's sale is questionable, of course, but sacked for it and being 2 points behind utd in feb? give me a break.

Mental Mickey

SlickRic wrote: »

as has been said here before, Rafa is the only one out of all the boardroom that deserves to survive.

if you can't see that, nobody can help you anymore.

do posters here keep having to say it, to liverpool fans no less?! it's disgraceful. 2 points from top spot isn't what it could have been, but we wouldn't be where we are if it wasn't for him.

keane's sale is questionable, of course, but sacked for it and being 2 points behind utd in feb? give me a break.

Again, I refer you to the fact that we were actually AHEAD of Man U a couple of months ago.

SlickRic

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Again, I refer you to the fact that we were actually AHEAD of Man U a couple of months ago.

exactly...

because in no small part to whose players and tactics are we getting closer to utd? because we're normally out of it by february remember.

i seriously can't believe you're not getting this. you're doing utd fans' work for them with this sort of nonsense.

edit: this is the last time i'll post a non-Keane related post in this thread, apologies.

Mental Mickey

SlickRic wrote: »

exactly...

because in no small part to whose players and tactics are we getting closer to utd? because we're normally out of it by february remember.

i seriously can't believe you're not getting this. you're doing utd fans' work for them with this sort of nonsense.

edit: this is the last time i'll post a non-Keane related post in this thread, apologies.

What nonsense? We are BEHIND Man U(re) now.

monkey9

Mental Mickey wrote: »

What nonsense? We are BEHIND Man U(re) now.

I really don't get your problem here. We are the closest title challengers to Utd in Feb. We have Real Madrid coming up in the Champions League and the F.A Cup still to play for. Utd started the season slowly and we took advantage, Liverpool hit a dip in form (and isn't it great that these days a dip in form for Liverpool is a few draws and not losing) and Utd took advantage, but after a big win on Sunday while putting a dent in Chelsea's hopes has us hanging on Utd's coat-tails.
Yes we were ahead, now Utd are. It's a title race and you're very welcome to it. As a Liverpool fan, you're probably not used to one lately, yet here we are and you still want Rafa sacked! Unbelievable!

Mental Mickey

monkey9 wrote: »

I really don't get your problem here. We are the closest title challengers to Utd in Feb. We have Real Madrid coming up in the Champions League and the F.A Cup still to play for. Utd started the season slowly and we took advantage, Liverpool hit a dip in form (and isn't it great that these days a dip in form for Liverpool is a few draws and not losing) and Utd took advantage, but after a big win on Sunday while putting a dent in Chelsea's hopes has us hanging on Utd's coat-tails.
Yes we were ahead, now Utd are. It's a title race and you're very welcome to it. As a Liverpool fan, you're probably not used to one lately, yet here we are and you still want Rafa sacked! Unbelievable!

By Jove, I think he's got it!!?? :D

monkey9

Mental Mickey wrote: »

By Jove, I think he's got it!!?? :D

So do you think that any team who are overtaken by another team in a league table should have their manager sacked? That once a lead is eroded, it becomes an automatic dismissal??

Mental Mickey

monkey9 wrote: »

So do you think that any team who are overtaken by another team in a league table should have their manager sacked? That once a lead is eroded, it becomes an automatic dismissal??

:rolleyes: No. Give him till the end of this season. Anyway, I think he'll walk.....? I bet he goes to Real Madrid....!?

syngindub

lets hear what Robbie has to say

SlickRic

Mental Mickey wrote: »

What nonsense? We are BEHIND Man U(re) now.

that we are.

however the season is 9 months long, not 3. There are dips and highs for every team. competing with the very best over the whole season this year has always been the main aim. winning it would be an extra sweet bonus. we had a chance to be better off than we are, of course we did, but for goodness sake look at the bigger picture. and don't make knee-jerk reactions based on a few games. don't fool yourself into thinking anyone could be doing a better job.

another point, and many other's point to you and others against Rafa, is sacking him or him walking won't achieve anything. we would regress unless a minor miracle happens. would you prefer to be a Spurs or Newcastle with their instability? he is the only one with Liverpool's best interests at heart. He's stubborn at times, but he stands by what he believes in and how he thinks the club should be run. I'll put my faith in him well before G & H, Parry etc thank you.

we've enough instability upstairs with those muppets not knowing what they're doing without getting rid of Rafa, who has bought half the team, and moulded the whole team into one that has got us to the position we are in.

that includes keane. he won us points at stages in the season, absolutely. but his overall ability and what he could offer the club was not what Rafa wanted. keane also wanted to play more (as you'll hear from Rafa's press conference). it suited keane to go, and it suited Rafa. it was a bit soon, yes, but Rafa felt the deal was good and Keane obviously didn't want to stick it out either.

let's wait until the end of the season to see if it suited Liverpool before trying to get rid of the man who has got us to where we are. and even then, even if the title does not end up with us, let's not automatically call for his head. let's assess what he's done in the grand scheme of things in a rational way.

syngindub

listened to the Raffa interview.
He mentioned a few alternatives if Torres got injured. I'd say Fergie is ****tin himself.

monkey9

SlickRic wrote: »

that we are.

however the season is 9 months long, not 3. There are dips and troughs for every team. competing with the very best over the whole season this year has always been the main aim. winning it would be an extra sweet bonus. we had a chance to be better off than we are, of course we did, but for goodness sake look at the bigger picture. and don't make knee-jerk reactions based on a few games. don't fool yourself into thinking anyone could be doing a better job.

another point, and many other's point to you and others against Rafa, is sacking his won't achieve anything. we would regress unless a minor miracle happens. would you prefer to be a Spurs or Newcastle with their instability? he is the only one with Liverpool's best interests at heart. He's stubborn at times, but he stands by what he believes in and how he thinks the club should be run. I'll put my faith in him well before G & T, Parry etc thank you.

we've enough instability upstairs with those muppets not knowing what they're doing without getting rid of Rafa, who has bought half the team, and moulded the whole team into one that has got us to the position we are in.

that includes keane. he won us points at stages in the season, absolutely. but his overall ability and what he could offer the club was not what Rafa wanted. keane also wanted to play more (as you'll hear from Rafa's press conference). it suited keane to go, and it suited Rafa. it was a bit soon, yes, but Rafa felt the deal was good and Keane obviously didn't want to stick it out either.

let's wait until the end of the season to see if it suited Liverpool before trying to get rid of the man who has got us to where we are. and even then, even if the title does not end up with us, let's not automatically call for his head. let's assess what he's done in the grand scheme of things in a rational way.

Plus, Rafa has a tendancy to this. He has no problem shipping out players after a short spell if he feels it's to the benefit of the team or to the club, even if it may bring abuse on to him and that's something i admire in him.

~Rebel~

Mental Mickey wrote: »

:rolleyes: No. Give him till the end of this season. Anyway, I think he'll walk.....? I bet he goes to Real Madrid....!?

yeah, Madrid, where the board are a paragon of decency, and always back a manager to the hilt, allowing him to carry out his affairs with minimal interruption!

nkay1985

Pighead wrote: »

He was pants? Al it was already pointed out to you yesterday that you held the exact opposite opinion to this yesterday! Unfortunately for you there is a search function which enables losers like me to find out if your current opinions are actually your real opinions or if they just change to fall in line with what Rafa is saying at any given time.

3rd December: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58125768&postcount=55


Since the 3rd of December Keane has scored three goals in just three games started so if anything your opinion of him should have improved! Instead you've gone from thinking he'll be alright to calling him pants! The mind boggles (no offence boggles)

This is brilliant. You deserve some sort of medal.

SlickRic

monkey9 wrote: »

Plus, Rafa has a tendancy to this. He has no problem shipping out players after a short spell if he feels it's to the benefit of the team or to the club, even if it may bring abuse on to him and that's something i admire in him.

absolutely.

it's the club first always. he knows the abuse he'll get from this; and he knows people will not like how he handled it. but he genuinely believes that it's best for the club. and as you say he's done it before.

you'd swear he had a vendetta against keane the way people have gone on.

Mental Mickey

~Rebel~ wrote: »

yeah, Madrid, where the board are a paragon of decency, and always back a manager to the hilt, allowing him to carry out his affairs with minimal interruption!

He'll have far better players at his disposal too.

jesus_thats_gre

Jesus ****ing christ, most of you have to be retarded or something. It is the only thing that can explain continued posting.

monkey9

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Jesus ****ing christ, most of you have to be retarded or something. It is the only thing that can explain continued posting.

I can't help it. I came into the pub to get out of the snow and rain and i have nothing better to do

Mental Mickey

monkey9 wrote: »

I can't help it. I came into the pub to get out of the snow and rain and i have nothing better to do

I'm out of work sick.

FatherTed

No matter what, Keane is still better than Ngog, Babel or Kuyt should Torres get injured again for a period of time.

Mental Mickey

FatherTed wrote: »

No matter what, Keane is still better than Ngog, Babel or Kuyt should Torres get injured again for a period of time.

Hallelujah!!!! If Torres and/or Gerrard get injured, we are ******.

I find the views of so called Liverpool fans on here strange.

Anyone who has actually been to a few games this season and has watched Keane it was clear he was was'nt fitting in.

Rafa obviously prefers 4-4-1-1 formation and keane cant play it like Torres can, he was running around aimlessly at times. I felt for him as he was so enthusiastic but did'nt seem to be getting anywhere!

He will slot back into Spurs 4-4-2 with 2 wingers like a glove i bet and best of luck to him. I feel that Rafa did the right thing in getting rid now mainly because Keane is 29 on his next b-day and no-one bar spurs would have paid that money for him. He value im sure would have depreciated more by the summer with his age and probable lack of goals.

Liverpool will not actually lose as much as the media potray either.

They paid 18.3m plus 2m add ons(which spurs didnt receive) and will recoup 14.5m with add ons. Its still however a substantial loss in 6 months.

Also, to be slagging Rafa off is plain stupid. Liverpool are in the last 16 of CL AGAIN. It is the norm now which says alot plus they are putting in a challenge for the League for the first time since 1996.

To topple united/chelsea will take some doing. United have been winning leagues for fun, Giggs has 10 league medals since Pool last won the league ffs.

I said before the season started that a real challenge in the league this year and I'd be happy and maybe try to win a cup (fa being the more likely if any)

If Torres/Gerrard stay fit they will be there to the end i think. United are massive favourites, its like second nature to them. The first one is the hardest to win as united will testify after 26years. I think Leeds beat them to it when they challenged properly for the first time in years in 1991-1992.

Jazzy

Pighead wrote: »

Mr Alan contraction #548321

and i noticed he hasnt been around since you posted pighead.

nkay1985

rarnes1 wrote: »

If Torres/Gerrard stay fit they will be there to the end i think. United are massive favourites, its like second nature to them. The first one is the hardest to win as united will testify after 26years. I think Leeds beat them to it when they challenged properly for the first time in years in 1991-1992.

You're right there. Big parallels if Liverpool lose out this time around after giving it a shot.

I honestly don't see them winning the league and have been saying it from the first day of the season talking with the lads in work.
But if they strengthen (and I mean really strengthen - no more Pennants and the like) during the summer, they'll be in a good situation with the experience of this season.

~Rebel~

just clarifying that i was joking..

Mental Mickey wrote: »

He'll have far better players at his disposal too.

Mental Mickey

~Rebel~ wrote: »

just clarifying that i was joking..

I knew you were.

noodler

Mental Mickey wrote: »

I knew you were.

Don't worry mental mick, first we should be happy that we are top, then that we are still top after draw 1, draw 2, etc etc. Now we should be happy we are two points behind utd, in a few weeks it'll be we should be happy in the top4.

mayordenis

noodler wrote: »

Don't worry mental mick, first we should be happy that we are top, then that we are still top after draw 1, draw 2, etc etc. Now we should be happy we are two points behind utd, in a few weeks it'll be we should be happy in the top4.

I hope you are never happy in life.

Nuri Sahin

Gutted for Keane, really am. Admittedly I didn't think his signing was needed. Afterall, we found a formation that brought out the best of Torres and Gerrard. Plus, we have been screaming out for a class right winger for years now.

Anyway to my points.

Two things...

One, Keane was a pawn in the power struggle between Benitez and Parry and whether he played well or not or fitted into the Liverpool team was I think largely irrelevant. I think Benitez had decided exactly what do do from the onset, when he was denied Barry (despite the fact that Keane cost more than Villa's asking price for Barry. That must have been galling for Benitez). Keane didn't stand a chance.

Which leads to my second point about the seemingly spineless display by Keane - he's not the first player who's struggled to adapt to a new club, (and a higher ranking one too) in his first season - even Shevchenko stuck at it at Chelsea for a couple of seasons before he gave up. Yet Keane goes, tail between legs, back to his old club after only six months. However much Spurs welcomes him back, that's humiliating for a player. He is a seasoned pro and players like him won't give up on a top four team, especially the one he'd always followed, even if he wasn't playing regularly - if he knew it was only a question of earning his place in the team on merit. Keane must have realised the predicament he was in quite early on, that, whatever he did on the pitch hardly mattered because Benitez did not want him, end of.

Finally, it's also interesting to note that other Liverpool players, that is, those who have influence within the team - Gerrard, Carragher, Alonso (so I hear) - have been hardly vocal in Keane's support. They knew he was doomed from the start. Lawrenson's article on Gerrard thinking Keane was off in January proved right afterall.

An interesting study of power politics at play in a team. Shame from a Liverpool's fan perspective it was us, the team he supported like us all this had to unfold.

One Cold Hand

I actually a bit disappointed that Villa didn't sell Barry to Liverpool for 15million or so in the summer. We could have then bought him back for 8million.
Missed opportunity tbh!

Racing Flat

One good thing to come out of this for Robbie, the whole episode will certainly up his autobiography sales.

LuckyLloyd

Keane named as new Club Captain at Spurs.

eagle eye

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Keane named as new Club Captain at Spurs.

Good confidence building move by 'Arry imo.

everdead.ie

One way for him to win over any reluctant spurs fan can be done this weekend putting in a stellar performance and leading us to a win. Brace or a hat-trick be a nice way to rub some salt in Rafa's wounds if Liverpool draw again.

NabyLadistheman

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Hallelujah!!!! If Torres and/or Gerrard get injured, we are ******.

Mental I hope your feelin better after your sickness yesterday. Your argument base on the above fact. Get over it, there not injured & please god they won't get injured. The way your goin on you'll be hopin they get injured to prove your point.

Well I say we'd be ****** regardless if Keane is there or not.

tomED

ziggy wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Yeah, they don't play with 2 out and out strikers, but they still have a "striker" who plays the link up role, which is exaclty what Keane was doing at spurs.

So the fact that Benitez didn't recognise this is worrying. Or if he did see something else in him his tactic didn't work - that is of course he was the one who bought him.

If he was the one who bought him - he should be really questioning his ability to spot how players will fit in and maybe get someone to do this for him instead.

Racing Flat

One Cold Hand wrote: »

I actually a bit disappointed that Villa didn't sell Barry to Liverpool for 15million or so in the summer. We could have then bought him back for 8million.
Missed opportunity tbh!

True, but you'd probably be around 8th rather than top 4 now.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Keane named as new Club Captain at Spurs.

eagle eye wrote: »

Good confidence building move by 'Arry imo.

For Keane maybe, not sure if it will do much for the confidence or spirit of the Spurs players who didn't leave 6 months ago.