Robbie Keane

Mr Alan

Tusky; me thinking the decision is an alright one is based on Rafa having that 16m in the summer.

Mitch Connor

Mr Alan wrote: »

Tusky; me thinking the decision is an alright one is based on Rafa having that 16m in the summer.

Do you not think you could have sold Keane for similar money in the summer? I don't see why not, and personally I think even if he was sold for slightly less in the summer; he could have been worth more as a member of the squad for the run in than a few million in the summer. Also another player out of your CL squad gone.

Tusky

Mr Alan wrote: »

Tusky; me thinking the decision is an alright one is based on Rafa having that 16m in the summer.

The majority of our money needs to be splashed on the RWF position, with a large chunk also being spent on a good backup for Torres who wont mind sitting on the bench.

We also need a couple of new fullbacks unless Dossena improves dramatically.

Wait a minute, they are exactly the same positions we needed to improve upon last summer

Pighead

I don't think Keane's time at Liverpool was that bad. His season so far has been pretty similar to his old buddy Berbatov and like the Bulgarian he has improved as the season has progressed.

Premiership
Keane- August 1st- November 1st- 0 Goals in 726 mins
Keane- November 8th- January 28th- 5 Goals in 527 mins

Berbatov- September 13th- November 1st- 1 Goal in 720 mins
Berbatov- November 8th- January 31st- 5 Goals in 905 mins.

Mr Alan

we calling for rafa out again Tusky?

this thread is just repeating itself now.

Tusky

Mr Alan wrote: »

we calling for rafa out again Tusky?

this thread is just repeating itself now.

Ive never called for Rafa out. But would you consider our signings last summer a success ?

Just thinking, would have been great to get Arsharvin. He cost Arsenal 16m and would be ideal for the RWF position.

Headshot

Tusky wrote: »

Ive never called for Rafa out. But would you consider our signings last summer a success ?
.

you are 2nd in the league 2 points behind man utd

yayamark

Personally i think Keane was treated poorly

They may have had a falling out and if your not in Rafas good books your out remember Finan?

Pity there's no Irish connection in the first team now.

Should have kept him till summer at least esp with torres not 100% yet

nkay1985

Pighead wrote: »

I don't think Keane's time at Liverpool was that bad. His season so far has been pretty similar to his old buddy Berbatov and like the Bulgarian he has improved as the season has progressed.

Premiership
Keane- August 1st- November 1st- 0 Goals in 726 mins
Keane- November 8th- January 28th- 5 Goals in 527 mins

Berbatov- September 13th- November 1st- 1 Goal in 720 mins
Berbatov- November 8th- January 31st- 5 Goals in 905 mins.

Surely Rafa knew buying him that Keane always improves towards the end of the season. He starts off slow (too slow to be a top club's main striker maybe) but then flies for the second half of the season. I remember a journalist on Off The Ball quoting Keane's stats for the first half compared to the second half of the season in The Premiership and I was astonished at how different they were.

Liverpool, had they hung onto him for the rest of the season and used him as a squad player, would have still managed to sell him for similar money in the summer. And they would've gotten use out of him in what is typically his best stage of the season.

Looks like good business for Spurs to me.

monkey9

Well look, people were on here in the summer moaning about the price Liverpool had paid for Keane and their major gripe was that there would be no re-sell value for a player of his age.Now, of course, if he had been a success at the club, re-sell value wouldn't come into it.
Rafa has made a decision and felt that Keane wasn't right for the club or suited the formation we play so he's sold him at the highest probable value we would get for him.
Rafa has stated already today that "If it is not good for the team then it is better for everyone to make a decision and because of the situation in the transfer market and for the opportunity for the player we had to do it now.
I have to analyse things and try to look at the bigger picture and this means thinking of the club and the team and what is best for them."
Now, a piece in the Guardian today has said that Liverpool had already paid £10m for Keane so far and that according to rumours in the 'financial world', only £5m came from the club itself with the rest of the dosh being borrowed from a specialist football-loans company.
So Liverpool would still have to pay off the remaining £10m to Spurs and pay back the other £5m to the loan company. I assume, but obviously don't know, that Rafa will maybe now have that £10m to spend in the summer on top of whatever money there is in the budget.
Maybe this is in Rafa's thinking when he he talks about what's best for the club as well as the team and player. He can't see a future for Keane so cashes in on him which he accepts is a risk, but maybe if Keane stayed he still wouldn't see much action over the next few months that would justify forsaking the money they'd get back for him when Kuyt, Babel, Ngog could do jobs there.
Why was Keane bought? Again, who knows for sure. Could he have wanted Keane as well as Barry as a duo and felt that whatever plans for systems and tactics he had would be wasted if he only got Keane, but not Barry, which proved to be the case. Maybe that's what his annoyance was about. This could be why he wants full control of transfers because Parry doesn't understand about the footballing aspect of it and why Rafa wants certain players. Rafa may never have bought Keane without buying Barry. He sees how well Villa are doing, probably thinks that Barry is a no-go and coupled with Alonso's form, sees that now is the time to cash in on Keane if he has no future.
This is all just speculation of course cos ultimately i haven't a clue what's going on behind the scenes. But surely it's better than just accusing Rafa off being clueless and losing it or Boggles' great contribution of our second top scorer going to jail.
Instead of just coming out with random statements, why not just look for reasons.
I also think he made some great comments about Keane that showed a lot of dignity. Not putting any blame on him and saying how hard he worked, but that it just wasn't to be.
Just one more thing, people saying about the last game of the season and Robbie coming back to haunt Rafa. If he did score that day and denied us the league title, i'm sure the usual suspects would be out in force saying what a clown Rafa is and how he f*cked things up. But if someone told me today that Liverpool would in with a chance of winning the league on the last day of the season, then i'd be deliriously happy and that would prove that Rafa didn't make a mistake in selling Robbie.
Onwards and upwards!!!

Boggles

monkey9 wrote: »

Well look, people were on here in the summer moaning about the price Liverpool had paid for Keane and their major gripe was that there would be no re-sell value for a player of his age.Now, of course, if he had been a success at the club, re-sell value wouldn't come into it.
Rafa has made a decision and felt that Keane wasn't right for the club or suited the formation we play so he's sold him at the highest probable value we would get for him.
Rafa has stated already today that "If it is not good for the team then it is better for everyone to make a decision and because of the situation in the transfer market and for the opportunity for the player we had to do it now.
I have to analyse things and try to look at the bigger picture and this means thinking of the club and the team and what is best for them."
Now, a piece in the Guardian today has said that Liverpool had already paid £10m for Keane so far and that according to rumours in the 'financial world', only £5m came from the club itself with the rest of the dosh being borrowed from a specialist football-loans company.
So Liverpool would still have to pay off the remaining £10m to Spurs and pay back the other £5m to the loan company. I assume, but obviously don't know, that Rafa will maybe now have that £10m to spend in the summer on top of whatever money there is in the budget.
Maybe this is in Rafa's thinking when he he talks about what's best for the club as well as the team and player. He can't see a future for Keane so cashes in on him which he accepts is a risk, but maybe if Keane stayed he still wouldn't see much action over the next few months that would justify forsaking the money they'd get back for him when Kuyt, Babel, Ngog could do jobs there.
Why was Keane bought? Again, who knows for sure. Could he have wanted Keane as well as Barry as a duo and felt that whatever plans for systems and tactics he had would be wasted if he only got Keane, but not Barry, which proved to be the case. Maybe that's what his annoyance was about. This could be why he wants full control of transfers because Parry doesn't understand about the footballing aspect of it and why Rafa wants certain players. Rafa may never have bought Keane without buying Barry. He sees how well Villa are doing, probably thinks that Barry is a no-go and coupled with Alonso's form, sees that now is the time to cash in on Keane if he has no future.
This is all just speculation of course cos ultimately i haven't a clue what's going on behind the scenes. But surely it's better than just accusing Rafa off being clueless and losing it or Boggles' great contribution of our second top scorer going to jail.
Instead of just coming out with random statements, why not just look for reasons.
I also think he made some great comments about Keane that showed a lot of dignity. Not putting any blame on him and saying how hard he worked, but that it just wasn't to be.
Just one more thing, people saying about the last game of the season and Robbie coming back to haunt Rafa. If he did score that day and denied us the league title, i'm sure the usual suspects would be out in force saying what a clown Rafa is and how he f*cked things up. But if someone told me today that Liverpool would in with a chance of winning the league on the last day of the season, then i'd be deliriously happy and that would prove that Rafa didn't make a mistake in selling Robbie.
Onwards and upwards!!!

Jesus that was a tough read, use paragraphs FFS.

As for me saying Gerrard might go to prison, is that not a possibility or did I miss something?

Mr Alan

Tusky wrote: »

Ive never called for Rafa out. But would you consider our signings last summer a success ?

No. I'd consider them ok but not great.

I'd consider Riera a great buy.
Dossena an average-poor one, depending on how next year goes, but he was always gonna take a long time changing his style to a formation he never played. At times i've been impressed, other times, disgusted.

Keane-couple of good performances, paid about 2-3 million for a loan for 6mths for a player Rafa never really wanted at the price paid & in usual Rafa style, shipped out as soon as he realises his mistake.

now remind me wat our net spend was.....twas very little iirc.

Tusky wrote: »

Just thinking, would have been great to get Arsharvin. He cost Arsenal 16m and would be ideal for the RWF position.

agreed.

noodler

monkey9 wrote: »

Well look, people were on here in the summer moaning about the price Liverpool had paid for Keane and their major gripe was that there would be no re-sell value for a player of his age.Now, of course, if he had been a success at the club, re-sell value wouldn't come into it.
Rafa has made a decision and felt that Keane wasn't right for the club or suited the formation we play so he's sold him at the highest probable value we would get for him.
Rafa has stated already today that "If it is not good for the team then it is better for everyone to make a decision and because of the situation in the transfer market and for the opportunity for the player we had to do it now.
I have to analyse things and try to look at the bigger picture and this means thinking of the club and the team and what is best for them."
Now, a piece in the Guardian today has said that Liverpool had already paid £10m for Keane so far and that according to rumours in the 'financial world', only £5m came from the club itself with the rest of the dosh being borrowed from a specialist football-loans company.
So Liverpool would still have to pay off the remaining £10m to Spurs and pay back the other £5m to the loan company. I assume, but obviously don't know, that Rafa will maybe now have that £10m to spend in the summer on top of whatever money there is in the budget.
Maybe this is in Rafa's thinking when he he talks about what's best for the club as well as the team and player. He can't see a future for Keane so cashes in on him which he accepts is a risk, but maybe if Keane stayed he still wouldn't see much action over the next few months that would justify forsaking the money they'd get back for him when Kuyt, Babel, Ngog could do jobs there.
Why was Keane bought? Again, who knows for sure. Could he have wanted Keane as well as Barry as a duo and felt that whatever plans for systems and tactics he had would be wasted if he only got Keane, but not Barry, which proved to be the case. Maybe that's what his annoyance was about. This could be why he wants full control of transfers because Parry doesn't understand about the footballing aspect of it and why Rafa wants certain players. Rafa may never have bought Keane without buying Barry. He sees how well Villa are doing, probably thinks that Barry is a no-go and coupled with Alonso's form, sees that now is the time to cash in on Keane if he has no future.
This is all just speculation of course cos ultimately i haven't a clue what's going on behind the scenes. But surely it's better than just accusing Rafa off being clueless and losing it or Boggles' great contribution of our second top scorer going to jail.
Instead of just coming out with random statements, why not just look for reasons.
I also think he made some great comments about Keane that showed a lot of dignity. Not putting any blame on him and saying how hard he worked, but that it just wasn't to be.
Just one more thing, people saying about the last game of the season and Robbie coming back to haunt Rafa. If he did score that day and denied us the league title, i'm sure the usual suspects would be out in force saying what a clown Rafa is and how he f*cked things up. But if someone told me today that Liverpool would in with a chance of winning the league on the last day of the season, then i'd be deliriously happy and that would prove that Rafa didn't make a mistake in selling Robbie.
Onwards and upwards!!!

Do you do the PR for LFC?

monkey9

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus that was a tough read, use paragraphs FFS.

As for me saying Gerrard might go to prison, is that not a possibility or did I miss something?

If Gerrard ends up in jail, then i'm Ntlbell!!

monkey9

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus that was a tough read, use paragraphs FFS.?

It was just to keep you occupied and out of the Liverpool thread for a while!!!!

Blazer

Examples of quotes from Liverpool fans over the years.

Before CL final- Liverpool are aware that even if they win the trophy they will not be in the competition the following year due to them not qualifying for it.
Fans/Club- We don't care about next year..if we win it we'll be happy with that"

After winning CL Final- Whaddy mean..we're not in it next year..have to have the defending champions in it".. blah blah blah blah

UEFA lose their balls..allow Liverpool back in to defend their title..
2 days later Liverpool players/fans are whinging how the Queen is not giving them a gong for their "heroics" in Istanbul.

So you see..LFC fans etc are notoriously fickle and whingers..you can be absolutely guaranteed that if Robbie scores against Liverpool on the last day of the season and prevents them from winning the league Rafa will be slaughtered for selling him.

noodler

Mathew Reilly wrote: »

Examples of quotes from Liverpool fans over the years.

Before CL final- Liverpool are aware that even if they win the trophy they will not be in the competition the following year due to them not qualifying for it.
Fans/Club- We don't care about next year..if we win it we'll be happy with that"

After winning CL Final- Whaddy mean..we're not in it next year..have to have the defending champions in it".. blah blah blah blah

UEFA lose their balls..allow Liverpool back in to defend their title..
2 days later Liverpool players/fans are whinging how the Queen is not giving them a gong for their "heroics" in Istanbul.

So you see..LFC fans etc are notoriously fickle and whingers..you can be absolutely guaranteed that if Robbie scores against Liverpool on the last day of the season and prevents them from winning the league Rafa will be slaughtered for selling him.

Is that tripe supposed to prove something? Can I pick the mad ramblings of a single UTD fan too and then apply it with a gross generalization of all UTD fans?

I love the last paragraph "so you see...." as if you had somehow proved something. Hilarious stuff.

monkey9

Mathew Reilly wrote: »

Examples of quotes from Liverpool fans over the years.

Before CL final- Liverpool are aware that even if they win the trophy they will not be in the competition the following year due to them not qualifying for it.
Fans/Club- We don't care about next year..if we win it we'll be happy with that"

After winning CL Final- Whaddy mean..we're not in it next year..have to have the defending champions in it".. blah blah blah blah

UEFA lose their balls..allow Liverpool back in to defend their title..
2 days later Liverpool players/fans are whinging how the Queen is not giving them a gong for their "heroics" in Istanbul.

So you see..LFC fans etc are notoriously fickle and whingers..you can be absolutely guaranteed that if Robbie scores against Liverpool on the last day of the season and prevents them from winning the league Rafa will be slaughtered for selling him.

Yea, he well could be. But i'm saying he'd be wrongly slaughtered!!!

NabyLadistheman

Mathew Reilly wrote: »

Examples of quotes from Liverpool fans over the years.

Before CL final- Liverpool are aware that even if they win the trophy they will not be in the competition the following year due to them not qualifying for it.
Fans/Club- We don't care about next year..if we win it we'll be happy with that"

After winning CL Final- Whaddy mean..we're not in it next year..have to have the defending champions in it".. blah blah blah blah

UEFA lose their balls..allow Liverpool back in to defend their title..
2 days later Liverpool players/fans are whinging how the Queen is not giving them a gong for their "heroics" in Istanbul.

So you see..LFC fans etc are notoriously fickle and whingers..you can be absolutely guaranteed that if Robbie scores against Liverpool on the last day of the season and prevents them from winning the league Rafa will be slaughtered for selling him.

That's a great example of whinging. If it was enough to turn UEFA's head then Liverpool fan's should whing about heirarchy decisions more often?

Didin't seem to work when we went to Athens & couldn't get in

DeadSkin

Lads, just don't respond to the tripe.

Mental Mickey

My two cents:

Benitez is an absolute MUPPET for letting Keane go/letting his battles with Parry/Hicks/Gillett get in the way of it.

Here's something I've copied off BBC text directly from Bentiez's gob:

"Sometimes good players cannot settle down and when this happens you have to consider the situation and try to react quickly. I have to look at the bigger picture and this means thinking of the club and what is best. We still have Babel, Ngog, Kuyt and Torres. It is a risk but the situation was not good and we needed to do something".

The main argument I have with this is with the very first sentence: How on earth can a guy settle into the team [1) If he's not wanted by the manager, and 2), when he DOES get picked, he hardly plays a full match!!!???

The fact that he rates Babel, Kuyt AND Ngog above Keane is downright baffling!!!! Torres I can understand, but not the others!??

RAFA OUT!! We deserve to lose the league after yet another clanger by Benitez. :mad:

monkey9

Mental Mickey wrote: »

My two cents:

Benitez is an absolute MUPPET for letting Keane go/letting his battles with Parry/Hicks/Gillett get in the way of it.

Here's something I've copied off BBC text directly from Bentiez's gob:

"Sometimes good players cannot settle down and when this happens you have to consider the situation and try to react quickly. I have to look at the bigger picture and this means thinking of the club and what is best. We still have Babel, Ngog, Kuyt and Torres. It is a risk but the situation was not good and we needed to do something".

The main argument I have with this is with the very first sentence: How on earth can a guy settle into the team [1) If he's not wanted by the manager, and 2), when he DOES get picked, he hardly plays a full match!!!???

The fact that he rates Babel, Kuyt AND Ngog above Keane is downright baffling!!!! Torres I can understand, but not the others!??

RAFA OUT!! We deserve to lose the league after yet another clanger by Benitez. :mad:

Well, if he's not wanted by the manager, he;s not gonna settle down cos he won't be playing often. Hence why he's been sold.

NabyLadistheman

Mental Mickey wrote: »

My two cents:


RAFA OUT!! We deserve to lose the league after yet another clanger by Benitez. :mad:

With all due respect your hardly in a position now to say that this is a clanger. We're 5 points behind United, Keane was not in his plans as he doesn't fit into his preferred formation. He has takin the 'media circus effect' out of the equation by getting Keane away from the club.

5 months til the end of the season, traditionally under Rafa our strongest period. Let the team all get together & burst a gut til May and see what we're lookin like then.

Sacking Rafa now is stupid & anyone trying to convince me otherwise is being equally stupid

Mental Mickey

monkey9 wrote: »

Well, if he's not wanted by the manager, he;s not gonna settle down cos he won't be playing often. Hence why he's been sold.

Benitez has lost the plot, imo.

Mental Mickey

torresistheman wrote: »

With all due respect your hardly in a position now to say that this is a clanger right now. We're 5 points behind United, Keane was in his plans as he doesn't fit into his preferred formation. He has takin the 'media circus effect' out of the equation by getting Keane away from the club.

5 months til the end of the season, traditionally under Rafa our strongest period. Let the team all get together & burst a gut til May and see what we're lookin like then.

Sacking Rafa now is stupid & anyone trying to convince me otherwise is being equally stupid

After being 7 points AHEAD of them at one stage. He's lost the plot, plain and simple.

NabyLadistheman

Mental Mickey wrote: »

After being 7 points AHEAD of them at one stage. He's lost the plot, plain and simple.

Am I mistaken or did United have 2 games in hand which = 6 points

monkey9

Mental Mickey wrote: »

He's lost the plot, plain and simple.

Expain to me the simplicity of your statement. What do you mean by him losing the plot? Do you think he is having a breakdown? Can he no longer manage a football team? Will he throw a sink through the window of Anfield and make his escape over the fields? How has he lost the plot?

Spud83

torresistheman wrote: »

Am I mistaken or did United have 2 games in hand which = 6 points

you are mistaken. United have only played one of those games.

Mental Mickey

monkey9 wrote: »

Expain to me the simplicity of your statement. What do you mean by him losing the plot? Do you think he is having a breakdown? Can he no longer manage a football team? Will he throw a sink through the window of Anfield and make his escape over the fields? How has he lost the plot?

By selling Keane - a player that he - in my humble opinion - should've kept. And, in my opinion, a player who should be in the team ahead of the likes of Kuyt, Benayoun, Babel. Throwing away points against teams we should be beating. And his little "speech" at that press conference has bitten him on the a**e. Fergie's only laughing at him.

spockety

Mental Mickey wrote: »

By selling Keane - a player that he - in my humble opinion - should've kept. And, in my opinion, a player who should be in the team ahead of the likes of Kuyt, Benayoun, Babel. Throwing away points against teams we should be beating. And his little "speech" at that press conference has bitten him on the a**e. Fergie's only laughing at him.

I think the first word of your username is for sure more appropriate to you than it is to Rafa Benitez.

NabyLadistheman

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

you are mistaken. United have only played one of those games.

In my reference I said United are 5 points ahead. I was basing that on the persumtion they win there remaining game in hand.

I can't see how realistically 'Rafa losing the plot' and him being sacked is constructive. Fickle fickle fans is all I'll say. Im a Liverpool fan and I am sick to death of yoyo fan's or opposition fan's who think they know it all. We'd be in some state if he is sacked.


Keane is sold - It was the right thing to do, now let's get on about it. Here's a timeline of events in yoyo world


Liverpool sign Keane - 2 expensive & crap, not good enough for Liverpool


Keane throughout the season - Told ya he was crap, sell him

Liverpool sell Keane - i can't believe Rafa sold him after never playin him. He's lost the plot...


bla bla bla... It's gettin old

monkey9

Mental Mickey wrote: »

By selling Keane - a player that he - in my humble opinion - should've kept. And, in my opinion, a player who should be in the team ahead of the likes of Kuyt, Benayoun, Babel. Throwing away points against teams we should be beating. And his little "speech" at that press conference has bitten him on the a**e. Fergie's only laughing at him.

Why would he be laughing at him. Is he not laughing at Scolari?? Or Wenger?

Nalz

spockety wrote: »

I think the first word of your username is for sure more appropriate to you than it is to Rafa Benitez.

oh you, oh oh you spockety, oh you!

Mental Mickey

monkey9 wrote: »

Why would he be laughing at him. Is he not laughing at Scolari?? Or Wenger?

I was just saying that I particularly remember him having a good laugh at Rafa after that episode.
:rolleyes:

Mental Mickey

Trilla wrote: »

oh you, oh oh you spockety, oh you!

Don't encourage him, for Gawwwwwwwd's sake!?

monkey9

Mental Mickey wrote: »

I was just saying that I particularly remember him having a good laugh at Rafa after that episode.
:rolleyes:

I don't recall him laughing at Rafa?? I saw him being questioned on it once and him looking bewildered, don't remember him laughing. Were you talking to him??

Mental Mickey

monkey9 wrote: »

I don't recall him laughing at Rafa?? I saw him being questioned on it once and him looking bewildered, don't remember him laughing. Were you talking to him??

Jeez. Alright then. The way I saw it, I thought Fergie found his "rant" a tad amusing!?

I'm obviously not allowed to express an opinion on this thread, so I'll exit now.

:mad:

Boggles

monkey9 wrote: »

I don't recall him laughing at Rafa?? I saw him being questioned on it once and him looking bewildered, don't remember him laughing. Were you talking to him??

He actually looked worried and concerned about Rafas mental health.

Mental Mickey

Either way, I think he should've given Keane a bit more time......?

el rabitos

Boggles wrote: »

He actually looked worried and concerned about Rafas mental health.

i think we all have a similar expression on our faces after reading your posts

Boggles

el rabitos wrote: »

i think we all have a similar expression on our faces after reading your posts

You crack me up you crazy Kook! :rolleyes:

NabyLadistheman

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Either way, I think he should've given Keane a bit more time......?

I appreciate that point but I think it's blatently obvious Liverpool's strongest team is with Gerrard in behind Torres. Keane simply doesn't fit the bill & Keane does not like being benched - that will all the hype surrounding the situation maybe it was best he was moved on...that's my opinion on it anyway

Mental Mickey

torresistheman wrote: »

I appreciate that point but I think it's blatently obvious Liverpool's strongest team is with Gerrard in behind Torres. Keane simply doesn't fit the bill & Keane does not like being benched - that will all the hype surrounding the situation maybe it was best he was moved on...that's my opinion on it anyway

My opinion is that neither Gerrard nor Benitez knows what position suits him best....? And therein lies Liverpool's main problem.

nkay1985

torresistheman wrote: »

I appreciate that point but I think it's blatently obvious Liverpool's strongest team is with Gerrard in behind Torres. Keane simply doesn't fit the bill & Keane does not like being benched - that will all the hype surrounding the situation maybe it was best he was moved on...that's my opinion on it anyway

This is the only thing I can see that's in favour of getting Keane out at this stage. And if Liverpool manage to get to May without Torres, Gerrard, Kuyt or Babel getting injured, it might have done whtm some good. But throw one injury into the mix and they're now a goalscorer light. It's really taking a risk, a very serious risk.

monkey9

Mental Mickey wrote: »

My opinion is that neither Gerrard nor Benitez knows what position suits him best....? And therein lies Liverpool's main problem.

Who's position? Keane's?

Spud83

Mental Mickey wrote: »

My opinion is that neither Gerrard nor Benitez knows what position suits him best....? And therein lies Liverpool's main problem.

You might not know.

But Benitez and Gerrard both do. Its behind Torres with two more defensive midfielders feeding them.

NabyLadistheman

Mental Mickey wrote: »

My opinion is that neither Gerrard nor Benitez knows what position suits him best....? And therein lies Liverpool's main problem.

Benitez is certain what position is best for him - in behind Torres. He has no responsibilities there 7 his partnership with Torres is second to none. Gerrard can't control a game from the middle, that's what Alonso & to a lesser degree Mascharno. Rafa used play Stevie on the right for a long time - he'd hardly do this if he thought he was a traditional midfielder.

If sports Journalists, fans etc. had to pick what team Rafa would put out in a Champions League final the majority would say this and they would be right.


Torres

Reira Gerrard Kuyt

Masch Alonso




No place for Keane, never was & never will be. He's not content with the bench so I don't think there was any alternative but to sell him

Mental Mickey

nkay1985 wrote: »

This is the only thing I can see that's in favour of getting Keane out at this stage. And if Liverpool manage to get to May without Torres, Gerrard, Kuyt or Babel getting injured, it might have done whtm some good. But throw one injury into the mix and they're now a goalscorer light. It's really taking a risk, a very serious risk.

My point exactly. We're relying on Gerrard too much.

Mental Mickey

torresistheman wrote: »

Benitez is certain what position is best for him - in behind Torres. He has no responsibilities there 7 his partnership with Torres is second to none. Gerrard can't control a game from the middle, that's what Alonso & to a lesser degree Mascharno. Rafa used play Stevie on the right for a long time - he'd hardly do this if he thought he was a traditional midfielder.

If sports Journalists, fans etc. had to pick what team Rafa would put out in a Champions League final the majority would say this and they would be right.


Torres

Reira Gerrard Kuyt

Masch Alonso




No place for Keane, never was & never will be. He's not content with the bench so I don't think there was any alternative but to sell him

Another minus point to Gerrard's game. Give him marking responsibilities in a game and he's lost!

Spud83

Mental Mickey wrote: »

My point exactly. We're relying on Gerrard too much.

With or without Keane IMO you are relying on Torres and Gerrard staying fit if you want to win the league.