Am I being up-partiotic for joining the royal marine commandos?

Duffers

Perestroika, how nice of you to take time out from your busy schedule of playing with toy guns/masturbating furiously over photos of gerry adams!

LordSutch

I say just do it > Join the Royal Marine Commandos > see the World > be part of the 'Best' and prepare to embark on a massive adventure that you will hopefully look back on in thirty years with pride! There is 'as you know' a long tradition of Irish men who have signed-up, (and who still sign-up) to Irish Regiments in the British Army > and you are following in their proud footsteps, so I say go for it mate, or regret it.

You are certainly NOT being un-patriotic for joining-up > so I say, Just do it, go for it . . .

marco murphy

Duffers wrote: »

Perestroika, how nice of you to take time out from your busy schedule of playing with toy guns/masturbating furiously over photos of gerry adams!

Its somewhat uncomfortable that you think of me in such a way.
Sick individual.

Duffers

Perestroika wrote: »

Its somewhat uncomfortable that you think of me in such a way.
Sick individual.

I apologise if that offended you, it was a joke. You will be pleased to know I have been 'infracted' by Hagar for that remark.

Back on topic, would you care to explain your reasons for saying that you feel it is un-patriotic for a lad who was rejected by the PDF to join the RM?

I am Irish, I'm proud of our country, but I don't feel there is anything wrong with joining the armed forces of other countries, be it Germany, France, the UK or America.

marco murphy

Duffers wrote: »

I apologise if that offended you, it was a joke. You will be pleased to know I have been 'infracted' by Hagar for that remark.

Back on topic, would you care to explain your reasons for saying that you feel it is un-patriotic for a lad who was rejected by the PDF to join the RM?

I am Irish, I'm proud of our country, but I don't feel there is anything wrong with joining the armed forces of other countries, be it Germany, France, the UK or America.

Germany, France, America - - - - UK

Spot the difference.

(Not that I would encourage or condone joining the US armed forces either.

themacdaddy

In my opinion you are not being unpatriotic. You tried the Irish Army and it didn't work out! I think you shouldn't worry about what other people think. At the end of the day you got to look out for your self in life...those people who may think your unpatriotic are not going to be there for you if you come across hard times in life. If your happy and its what you want to do...do it! Its your life mate no one elses...

Duffers

Perestroika wrote: »

Germany, France, America - - - - UK

Spot the difference.

(Not that I would encourage or condone joining the US armed forces either.

So what would you encourage/condone? Sitting on his hands and playing call of duty, wondering what if?
A bit of a wet solution.
With reference to your above post, you are beating around the bush somewhat. Whatever it is you are implying, just say it. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm sure I don't need to remind you of that!!

Websters

Might be worth considering joining the Corp Of Royal Engineers and then doing the commando course or Para course to get your green or maroon beret. You might not finish training within the RM or Paras if your not in **** hot condition. I got through training with the Lancers and sometimes it was tough,I'm considering a transfer to the Paras after my suspension is up(long story) as im well conditioned and fit to fight now,might as well join the big boys and get amongst it. anyway,**** patriotism and if your mates start giving you **** and it's a little more than a friendly joke(get used to being called a backward paddy etc) if people are genuinely being hostile toward you then ****in smash um,tends to stop too much of that **** going on.

iceage

Royal Artillery also an option, 29th Commando Regiment Royal Artillery. And also 7th Parachute Regiment Royal Horse Artillery.

Before anybody gets knickers twisted, not trying to recruit the lad Wiki has all this anyway. You go in as a gunner in the Royal Artillery and when elible do either the para or the commando course.

Quo Fas Et Gloria Ducunt. (easy chaps)



Racism is really a thing of the past, you may be called Paddy or Mick, like a welsh lad is Taff, or a Scots lad is Jock and so on, (or you might not) its all b*llocks anyway, its just about getting on with the other lads, show em you've got a sense of humour and you can take a joke and you do fine, otherwise a wee chat sorts most other things out :P!!!!!

Trojan911

ps3man wrote: »

After failing a medical for the PDF here I decided in my mind to join the royal marine commandos,am I doing the right thing? Am I being un-patriotic or have Irish people gotten over their dislike of the British army?

I would say, no, you are not being un-patriotic. You went to join the Irish Army first. They said no, their loss. Go for the Royal Marines, you are, in my opinion, doing the right thing.

I was turned down by the Irish Army, so I bogged off to London, applied for the British Army, looked at my options & then decided to join the Met Police.

I had some shifty looks & comments when I used to come back here on holidays but I didn't bat an eyelid as most of the comments were from our lifes achievers, "barstool provos" & halfwit drunks (same difference).

It's your life, make of it what you can & don't let the Irish/British history put you off. Lets put it this way, you tried to be patriotic & your patriotism was rejected due to an apparent medical issue . If you can serve elsewhere then go.

I wish you all the best.

cushtac

Trojan911 wrote: »

Lets put it this way, you tried to be patriotic & your patriotism was rejected.

His patriotism wasn't rejected, he wasn't medically fit for service. There's a bit of a difference.

Trojan911

cushtac wrote: »

His patriotism wasn't rejected, he wasn't medically fit for service. There's a bit of a difference.

I have altered that sentence to clarify what I meant.

Border-Rat

ps3man wrote: »

After failing a medical for the PDF here I decided in my mind to join the royal marine commandos,am I doing the right thing? Am I being un-patriotic or have Irish people gotten over their dislike of the British army?

Yes, unpatriotic. Please don't shoot any of my family and/or friends or relatives when 'Operation Helvitec' is expanded here.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Border-Rat wrote: »

Yes, unpatriotic. Please don't shoot any of my family and/or friends or relatives when 'Operation Helvitec' is expanded here.

YeeHawww and its not even close to closing time yet!.

:rolleyes:

minidazzler

So, OP have you decided???

Remember this, if you truly care about what people think of of you joining the RMC, then maybe YOU shouldn't go! Being worried of what people think of you makes you sound like you are not independant, which could be a Bad thing.

Dub13

minidazzler wrote: »

So, OP have you decided???

Remember this, if you truly care about what people think of of you joining the RMC, then maybe YOU shouldn't go! Being worried of what people think of you makes you sound like you are not independant, which could be a Bad thing.

Thats a very good point,most lads who I know that went to the BA and made a success of it just made up there minds and that was that.

TomRooney

Ardscoil Ris wrote: »

What do you care about what other people think? Your life, don't worry what others think.

Now if Britain invades Ireland again then we might have a problem with you

excuse me what do you mean if Britain invades Ireland again...?

the last i checked there was still 5000 british troops stationed in the north east of ireland. so they are very much still occupieing Ireland.

classic media education.

TomRooney

ps3man wrote: »

After failing a medical for the PDF here I decided in my mind to join the royal marine commandos,am I doing the right thing? Am I being un-patriotic or have Irish people gotten over their dislike of the British army?

i all honesty in my opinion, i think you have other options than pledging alegience to a nation that still occupies part of our land.

if you want to be a soldier you could join the french foriegn legion, better trained than the brits and less sectarian plus there isnt 5000 foriegn legion troops occupieng the north east of Ireland, but there are 5000 brit troops doing just that.

concussion

And I was thinking it was getting too quiet in here...

Hagar

So was I.

Leaving all rhetoric aside, isn't that the underlying reason for the OP's question? If we didn't have the N.Ireland situation nobody would bat an eyelid at joining the BA, it would be just another job.

iceage

I'm curious..how much of your head you had to pull out of your ar$e to extract that figure? You'll probably find there are more british troops in Cyprus.

neilled

TomRooney wrote: »

i all honesty in my opinion, i think you have other options than pledging alegience to a nation that still occupies part of our land.

if you want to be a soldier you could join the french foriegn legion, better trained than the brits and less sectarian plus there isnt 5000 foriegn legion troops occupieng the north east of Ireland, but there are 5000 brit troops doing just that.

Tom your point about an "occupation of our land" irrelevant. We have an agreement on the future of Northern Ireland/North of Ireland/Occupied Six Counties/Ulster/Our Wee Country/The Black North and that is that the people of said area will decide its future constitutional status. The GFA, St Andrews decided between the democratically elected representatives of the people of that territory and the Respective Governments of the United Kingdom and Ireland etc lay it out. The idea of "occupation" has been firmly rejected by "we the people" who are of course notoriously fickle, but thats what we think for the moment.

As things stand at the moment, the population of that area (of which I am one) prefers that status quo and until a majority say otherwise it will remain so. Thus the 5000 british troops that remain, are there on a mandated basis. Operation Banner has now ended and its rare that you see them on the streets any more or find them in your fields.

Nontheless during the troubles various units of the British Army behaved appallingly at times (there are reasons for this, I recommend bernard o mahony's "Solder of the Queen" for an interesting account of his tour of my local area) and people hold long memories.I have a feeling some of my relatives would be rather disapproving if i went and joined the British Army, seeing some of the things they put up with during the troubles. I can understand why they feel that, but if like the OP the chance of serving in the defence forces was not available then I would go for it.

Nontheless I think its time to get over the past - would we have an EU if people had lived in the past and went over grievances time and time again? If Germany and France could bury the hatchet after hundreds of years of sustained full on, no holds bar warfare then surely so can we.

Its funny, I was chatting a gentleman on the 16a recently who in passing mentioned that back in his day when leaving school, half of his class went and joined the British Army - this was before the troubles, as it was a job with a relatively good wage in comparison to how things were at home and a chance to travel that rarely existed to the average working class lad from dublin.

Fratton Fred

How many of those 5000 are there because they are posted there and how many are there because it is their regimental base? I thought pretty much all the BA except the Irish regiments had gone now.

mcguiver

Definitely steering of topic (as usual) guys.
But it does show the mentality towards serving with British forces.
I have friends and family that have served with Irish Regiment/Marines/Paras.
As you can from the posts there is hostility towards this still, so that is abig issue to think about. Have you family that may be open to abuse/worse here if it is known that you sign up.
On a personal point of view, go for it. Don't ever look back on your life and think what if? The military doesnt have to be for life, so if it works out you can have a great career, and still go do something else later, bringing lots of skills with you.
Some of us are not built for 9-5 normal jobs, adrenaline does it for me everytime.

Best of luck whatever the outcome.

Dyr

As I said earlier on this thread, the past has a funny way of coming back and biting you in the arse. I know old lads who joined the BA in the 60s, only to have the north blow up in 69. It seems unlikely to happen nowadays but bear it in mind when making a decision

lazybhoy

TomRooney wrote: »

excuse me what do you mean if Britain invades Ireland again...?

the last i checked there was still 5000 british troops stationed in the north east of ireland. so they are very much still occupieing Ireland.

classic media education.

Last time I checked the people and govt of the republic endorsed the GFA which recognised the democratic status both states.

lazybhoy

TomRooney wrote: »

i all honesty in my opinion, i think you have other options than pledging alegience to a nation that still occupies part of our land.

if you want to be a soldier you could join the french foriegn legion, better trained than the brits and less sectarian plus there isnt 5000 foriegn legion troops occupieng the north east of Ireland, but there are 5000 brit troops doing just that.

When was the last time the legion saw conflict ?

Are the legion better trained then the Brits ? In recent years the Brits have far more combat experience. The legion are the French equivilent of 16 air assault brigade or 3 Commando brigade.

The legion equivilent unit to the Royal marine commandos or paras is the 2REP Para commando regiment.

What is the basis of your claim that the legion are trained better then the Royal Marine Commandos ?

Hagar

Back on topic please ladies & gentlemen.

I've added a poll. It's the simplest way.

twinytwo

lazybhoy wrote: »

When was the last time the legion saw conflict ?

Are the legion better trained then the Brits ? In recent years the Brits have far more combat experience. The legion are the French equivilent of 16 air assault brigade or 3 Commando brigade.

The legion equivilent unit to the Royal marine commandos or paras is the 2REP Para commando regiment.

What is the basis of your claim that the legion are trained better then the Royal Marine Commandos ?

A Former Rm said that RM training/selection was harder/better but that in the legion the mind fcuk was unbelieveable

TomRooney

lazybhoy wrote: »

When was the last time the legion saw conflict ?

Are the legion better trained then the Brits ? In recent years the Brits have far more combat experience. The legion are the French equivilent of 16 air assault brigade or 3 Commando brigade.

The legion equivilent unit to the Royal marine commandos or paras is the 2REP Para commando regiment.

What is the basis of your claim that the legion are trained better then the Royal Marine Commandos ?

the legion are always active, anybody who knows anything about the military know they are one of the best trained and most disciplined forces in the world.

also the 2 rep training would make RM commandos look like boy scouts.
and actualy the 2rep have further specialized units whitin there unit who would be ranked better than the sas, so i suggest you go read up on it pal.

what do you base your opinions on...? i suspect your either a bagger or an arm chair general.

TomRooney

twinytwo wrote: »

A Former Rm said that RM training/selection was harder/better but that in the legion the mind fcuk was unbelieveable

there is no such thing as a selection course for the RM anybody can join them once they finish the course. there trainig is nothing special.

selection is what special forces do, such as the irish Army Ranger Wing, you may pass the selection course but that doesnt mean you will be accepted.

TomRooney

lazybhoy wrote: »

Last time I checked the people and govt of the republic endorsed the GFA which recognised the democratic status both states.

yet another educated by media propaganda.
both states...? do you call yourself an irish man...?

people like you are the reason our nation is still occupied by 5000 brit troops, more than there is in iraq

TomRooney

iceage wrote: »

I'm curious..how much of your head you had to pull out of your ar$e to extract that figure? You'll probably find there are more british troops in Cyprus.

it is fact kid, go check it out. and after you do, stick your head UP your arse and dissapear.

TomRooney

neilled wrote: »

Tom your point about an "occupation of our land" irrelevant. We have an agreement on the future of Northern Ireland/North of Ireland/Occupied Six Counties/Ulster/Our Wee Country/The Black North and that is that the people of said area will decide its future constitutional status. The GFA, St Andrews decided between the democratically elected representatives of the people of that territory and the Respective Governments of the United Kingdom and Ireland etc lay it out. The idea of "occupation" has been firmly rejected by "we the people" who are of course notoriously fickle, but thats what we think for the moment.

As things stand at the moment, the population of that area (of which I am one) prefers that status quo and until a majority say otherwise it will remain so. Thus the 5000 british troops that remain, are there on a mandated basis. Operation Banner has now ended and its rare that you see them on the streets any more or find them in your fields.

Nontheless during the troubles various units of the British Army behaved appallingly at times (there are reasons for this, I recommend bernard o mahony's "Solder of the Queen" for an interesting account of his tour of my local area) and people hold long memories.I have a feeling some of my relatives would be rather disapproving if i went and joined the British Army, seeing some of the things they put up with during the troubles. I can understand why they feel that, but if like the OP the chance of serving in the defence forces was not available then I would go for it.

Nontheless I think its time to get over the past - would we have an EU if people had lived in the past and went over grievances time and time again? If Germany and France could bury the hatchet after hundreds of years of sustained full on, no holds bar warfare then surely so can we.

Its funny, I was chatting a gentleman on the 16a recently who in passing mentioned that back in his day when leaving school, half of his class went and joined the British Army - this was before the troubles, as it was a job with a relatively good wage in comparison to how things were at home and a chance to travel that rarely existed to the average working class lad from dublin.

the ongoing occupation of ireland is very relevant, you see you miss the point that a small ethnic minority in the north east of ireland hold the rest of the nation to ransom, this is in itself an undemocratic situation, the last ALL ireland vote in 1919 maintained the 32 county Republic was valid, there has not been a democratic vote of the 32 since then, untill the whole 32 countys vote in favour of partition it will be just as invalid as it has always been.

Partition was set up, pushed and instituted by the British government, in the government of ireland act which was written up by the british, it is a british solution to an irish problem. therefore was always destined to failure.

as for the past it is on the contrary important we never forget it, im not saying we should hold grudges but untill the brits disengage from our land History has thought us there will always be those who oppose there presence here.

it is nothing personal or motivated by hate, as soon as the brits leave i would have no problem with people joining them if they wish, but IMO as long as they occupie our land it would be treachery to join them.or support people joining them.

Hagar

Hagar wrote: »

Despite my earlier request people are still posting off topic.
This time I have removed the posts next time I'll remove the posters.

iceage wrote: »

I'm curious..how much of your head you had to pull out of your ar$e to extract that figure? You'll probably find there are more british troops in Cyprus.

TomRooney wrote: »

it is fact kid, go check it out. and after you do, stick your head UP your arse and dissapear.

Stop personalising the argument, lose the personal attacks.
Get back on topic.
I'm getting fed-up repeating my self, consider this a final warning.

lazybhoy

TomRooney wrote: »

the legion are always active, anybody who knows anything about the military know they are one of the best trained and most disciplined forces in the world.

also the 2 rep training would make RM commandos look like boy scouts.
and actualy the 2rep have further specialized units whitin there unit who would be ranked better than the sas, so i suggest you go read up on it pal.

what do you base your opinions on...? i suspect your either a bagger or an arm chair general.

You obviously no knowing about the legion or the Royal Marine Commandos. :rolleyes:

lazybhoy

TomRooney wrote: »

there is no such thing as a selection course for the RM anybody can join them once they finish the course. there trainig is nothing special.

selection is what special forces do, such as the irish Army Ranger Wing, you may pass the selection course but that doesnt mean you will be accepted.

There is selection before you are accepted for training in the Royal Marines. A mile in around 9.15 mins, various gym and other tests.

Other countries call their commando units special forces, Royal Marine commandos are also trained to operate behind enemy lines.

"There training is nothing special".

It is regarded as those in the know as one of the worlds longest and hardest infantry training courses, but obviously you know better, infact commando training and test week is more challenging then special forces selection in most countries.

lazybhoy

:mad:

TomRooney wrote: »

the ongoing occupation of ireland is very relevant, you see you miss the point that a small ethnic minority in the north east of ireland hold the rest of the nation to ransom, this is in itself an undemocratic situation, the last ALL ireland vote in 1919 maintained the 32 county Republic was valid, there has not been a democratic vote of the 32 since then, untill the whole 32 countys vote in favour of partition it will be just as invalid as it has always been.

Partition was set up, pushed and instituted by the British government, in the government of ireland act which was written up by the british, it is a british solution to an irish problem. therefore was always destined to failure.

as for the past it is on the contrary important we never forget it, im not saying we should hold grudges but untill the brits disengage from our land History has thought us there will always be those who oppose there presence here.

it is nothing personal or motivated by hate, as soon as the brits leave i would have no problem with people joining them if they wish, but IMO as long as they occupie our land it would be treachery to join them.or support people joining them.

This is not supposed to be a political forum, anti British republicans should not allowed to use it as an anti British forum.:mad:

Hagar

Lazybhoy you obviously can't or won't take on board my instruction to stay on topic.
Banned for 1 week.

iceage

Apologies to OP and Hager for abusive ourburst, Punishment accepted Sah!

twinytwo

TomRooney wrote: »

the legion are always active, anybody who knows anything about the military know they are one of the best trained and most disciplined forces in the world.

also the 2 rep training would make RM commandos look like boy scouts.
and actualy the 2rep have further specialized units whitin there unit who would be ranked better than the sas, so i suggest you go read up on it pal.

what do you base your opinions on...? i suspect your either a bagger or an arm chair general.

Disciplined maybe.. trained not even close.

I have read

Diary of a Legionnaire by Gareth Carins

Life in the French Foreign Legion by Evan McGorman

Legionnaire by Simon Murray

And while i dont pretend to be an expert on the subject ... you comments are completely mis-informed.

What exactly do you base your comments on??.. Trying to start an arguement on incorrect facts is what keyboard warriors do isnt it?.

piby

It'd be interesting to put this poll on AH because I think you might see more of a yes vote (which is currently at 25%). I think on this forum most people are understanding of guys who just want to soldier whether in the BA, RM, PDF, US or whatever. Although I would like to think that only of a quarter of Irish people would consider the OP unpatriotic I suspect it would be a little higher. For example, the other day I was watching Ross Kemp and made the point that a lot of southerners join RIR to which a friend replied 'F&$%rs, shouldn't even be over there'. This is one of my best mates who I've known for years and isn't in any way anti-British etc. so it just goes to show you that it's still, unfortunately, a touchy subject!

Just to clarify OP I don't think you're unpatriotic.

paddym355

DO you like the thoughts of killing/maiming people?
Do you like the thought of being killed/maimed?
Do you like the thought of doing this in a foreign land, surrounded by soldiers who may very likely see you as a 'foreigner' as well?

If the answer to all of these is yes well then I wouldn't worry about what other people think, do what you need to do.

Fratton Fred

paddym355 wrote: »

DO you like the thoughts of killing/maiming people?
Do you like the thought of being killed/maimed?
Do you like the thought of doing this in a foreign land, surrounded by soldiers who may very likely see you as a 'foreigner' as well?

If the answer to all of these is yes well then I wouldn't worry about what other people think, do what you need to do.

if you don't like any of that, then wtf are you doing joining any army tbh.

Hagar

Twinytwo you obviously can't or won't take on board my instruction to stay on topic.
Banned for 1 week.


/edit/ It's bad when you can cut and paste ban notices.

minidazzler

paddym355 wrote: »

DO you like the thoughts of killing/maiming people?
Do you like the thought of being killed/maimed?
Do you like the thought of doing this in a foreign land, surrounded by soldiers who may very likely see you as a 'foreigner' as well?

If the answer to all of these is yes well then I wouldn't worry about what other people think, do what you need to do.

Change the word like to accept in all cases.

You don't have to like killing people, you just have to accept that you may be called to do so.

paddym355

I don't think you should be risking death and killing others for something you simply 'accept', unless you enjoy your job whats the point?:)

I personally believe that anyone who can answer yes to those questions is amoral and quite possibly sociopathic but each to their own I guess..

Fratton Fred

paddym355 wrote: »

I don't think you should be risking death and killing others for something you simply 'accept', unless you enjoy your job whats the point?:)

I personally believe that anyone who can answer yes to those questions is amoral and quite possibly sociopathic but each to their own I guess..

explain how that relates more to the British Army than it does any other army?

This may come as a bit of a shock, but soldiers are expected to go into nasty situations and use necessary force and, wait for it..this may involve hurting people or being hurt yourself.

Maybe the nursing forum would suit you better?

Duffers

@paddym355: So essentially you feel that to be an effective soldier you have to be mentally unbalanced? Or did I mis-understand you?

Hagar

Since nobody seems interested in sticking to the topic I'm closing the thread. :mad: