Recession is the birth pangs of a new global order, says Gordon Brown

Kama

It's called PR. I recommend Edward Bernays, Propaganda, as a starting point. Its not without limits, but influence can go a long way. Take phenomena like push polling, or look at studies in conformity like Asch. Academics who talk about 'social construction' don't know the half; far better off looking at marketing and persuasion.

Rox Sullivan

For sure there is control and corruption
and down right abuse of power and position
you don't have to travel far to meet it
but lets not bull**** ourselves
who ultimatly calls the shots
the masses
it is the big WE I'm afraid
the all consuming monster

it's all talk of revolution over a glass of cab sav
on our new but not yet paid for patio

I guess it's the patio
that ran off with my principles
is that abstract enough
to ignore

top me up there mac

Rox Sullivan

seen naom chomsky speak awhile back
I like that guy
he tells it like it is

espinolman

Kama wrote: »

It's called PR. I recommend Edward Bernays, Propaganda, as a starting point. Its not without limits, but influence can go a long way. Take phenomena like push polling, or look at studies in conformity like Asch. Academics who talk about 'social construction' don't know the half; far better off looking at marketing and persuasion.

Yeah exactly Edward Bernays :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

Kama

And if reading is tl;dr, check 'Century of the Self' on googlevideo/youtube. Adam Curtis is my preferred source of propaganda, for great justice!

Bits of the book here, its old enough that you can grab it online easy. This is the man who made female smoking happen (torches of liberty campaign), marketed Freud to America, was behind the NAM campaign against the New Deal, and so on. He had a approach that is endearingly honest, as you'll see if you read any of him: people are a stupid herd, easily manipulated, and 'reality' is an image that can be produced. His insights underly all of modern branding, and he is the acknowledged father of Public Relations, though they rarely read the primary source in my epeenion.

Kama

From Cryptogon, on the current palatability of 'new world orders':

I don’t know about you, but when I see the phrase, “New World Order” bandied about on the mainstream sites like it’s a new flavor of TicTac, I have to wonder if people know what this actually means.


The New World Order used to be something that people like me would read about in books that were never in stock in the local book store. We had to special order them. (Unless you happened to live near a book store that focused on unusual stuff.) The New World Order was talked about on radio shows that broadcast in the dead of night, after the alien guy went off the air. The New World Order was the butt of jokes: “Are you a conspiracy theorist who believes in the New World Order? HAHAHA. And Black helicopters? HAHAHA.” etc.


When I went to college, and majored in International Relations, I wasn’t expecting to hear much about this stuff. On the contrary, I encountered heaps of what ignorant people refer to as conspiracy theory as part of my coursework. Is it conspiracy theory if you have to write papers and take exams on things like the World Order Models Project, the Club of Rome, global federalism, multilateralism, economic interdependence, system transformation, the United Nations and its failed predecessor, the League of Nations? (snip)

Kernel

thecommander wrote: »

Just because it can happen doesn't mean it will/is/has. You could use that argument for everything then.

Indeed, that is true. However, it is logical progression that it would happen.

Vadrefjorde

Brown said was not the time for countries to retreat from globalisation into protectionism. "Protectionism protects nobody," he said. "This is a time not just for individual, national measures to deal with the global financial crisis. This is the time for the world to come together as one."

Prime minister Gordon Brown sets out his agenda at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on Friday 30 January 2009.

:rolleyes:

thecommander

Vadrefjorde wrote: »

Brown said was not the time for countries to retreat from globalisation into protectionism. "Protectionism protects nobody," he said. "This is a time not just for individual, national measures to deal with the global financial crisis. This is the time for the world to come together as one."

Prime minister Gordon Brown sets out his agenda at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on Friday 30 January 2009.

Definite proof.

Four-Too

thecommander wrote: »

Someone high in the ranks of the super secret organisation of the NWO needs to send out a memo to all members to tell them to stop mentioning the NWO in the world media.

Seriously lads, do you really think they'd go on about it in front of everyone if it was real?

It doesn't matter now how much they say "NWO" and similar phrases, because, it is already too late, they cannot be stopped now, their plans are too well advanced.
Maybe someday, we will realise, only God can save us.

espinolman

The recession is about centralisation of power , to bring about a single world government .

thecommander

espinolman wrote: »

The recession is about centralisation of power , to bring about a single world government .

The recession is negative growth for 2 quarters. Its not "about" anything.

Flamed Diving

espinolman wrote: »

The recession is about centralisation of power , to bring about a single world government .

Just like all the previous recessions...

espinolman

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Just like all the previous recessions...

Absolutely , thats true .

Flamed Diving

espinolman wrote: »

Absolutely , thats true .

Yup, engineered recessions are absolute definite proof that the NWO are plotting against us.

Kernel

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Yup, engineered recessions are absolute definite proof that the NWO are plotting against us.

The fact that you are a wage slave for as long as you are useful is proof that the NWO are plotting against us. You are labour, my friend, useful only as long as you are used as such.

Flamed Diving

Kernel wrote: »

The fact that you are a wage slave for as long as you are useful is proof that the NWO are plotting against us. You are labour, my friend, useful only as long as you are used as such.

My god. We are through the looking-glass here people.

Should I quit my job, in protest?

Kama

The recession is negative growth for 2 quarters. Its not "about" anything.

Lordy, I didn't think it was that empty of interpretation.
It seems to attract any number.


For a good orthodox CT'er, it's time for centralization of power by the sociopathic elite, as the tree gets a good shaking. For the less-but-still paranoid, it shows the political suction of the larger players as policy intervention benefits them over those who 'kept their powder dry', hazarding more than their morals.

For those of Austrians inclination its a well-deserved punishment, a hangover for the boom, justified and righteous suffering in accordance with the Laws, strict and unerring with a strong moral message; while for the Keynesians it's a renaissance, as their Prophet returns to save society again, with mass conversions and apostasy from previously-cherished doctrine. For those who regulation, its evidence of the failures of deregulation, for those who deregging it's presumably that damned Beast the Government did it all.


For fiscal conservatives, it 'means' it's slashing time, for the Marxists its an accumulation crisis, for the workers in Waterford Glass it means its time to fly the Starry Plough, as across Europe labour mobilizes, burning the occasional finance ministry as they go; while for those who dreamed the ancient Whig dream of an endless upward ride, Governments and people alike, it's somehow a surprise. It's a legitimacy crisis for capitalism, or a relatively-quotidian moment in the business/banking cycle. It's the collapse of the international financial architecture, or a moment of reconfiguration and opportunity; either showing the totipotent monetary manipulation of the power elite, or them slipping on a banana peel that became larger than the world economy.


'Just 2 quarters' doesn't give it justice...

nyarlothothep

For believers in the Mayan calendars, its the dawn of a new era

thecommander

nyarlothothep wrote: »

For believers in the Mayan calendars, its the dawn of a new era

And for the rest of us its just another recession

espinolman

Nothing is as it seems , is the rising sun the setting sun , the endgame !

mysterious

Gordon brown is only doing what hes told to do.

It's the puppet master's of USA and Britain, who are trying to create the NWO. The proof of it.

1. look at what's happening.
2. Who's fuelling the wars, economic crisis and
3. What leaders in what countries have been repeating this NWO

America and Britain are the two denominators.

Bush Senior
Bush junior
Clinton
Blair
Gordon brown
Now Obama,

I'm sure they have used certain contexts and phrases that associate with the NWO.

They all come from different backgrounds, different relgions "suppodely different politics" yet out the thin air, they pop the NWO statement. It's almost to obvious to be even conspiracy anymore.

They want you to react.
All you have to do is not.

So when they say global crisis, DON'T react. (look at the recession balony on Limerick threads) thatds reaction
So when they say fight in the wars DON'T react.

Do people see it?

nyarlothothep

It's interesting when you say react. WW1 and 2 wouldn't have happened without a consensus, an agreement from the public to go to war. Likewise the recession is not a real crisis, everyone is agreeing to behave in a given way which effects society, there is no reality, no "real world" which is not generated by a social contract between people that sets out the conditions of behaviour. The panic reminds me of that episode of south park when they're running away from global warming. Now an ecological or environmental crisis is real.

Flamed Diving

mysterious wrote: »

Gordon brown is only doing what hes told to do.

It's the puppet master's of USA and Britain, who are trying to create the NWO. The proof of it.

1. look at what's happening.
2. Who's fuelling the wars, economic crisis and
3. What leaders in what countries have been repeating this NWO

America and Britain are the two denominators.

Bush Senior
Bush junior
Clinton
Blair
Gordon brown
Now Obama,

I'm sure they have used certain contexts and phrases that associate with the NWO.

They all come from different backgrounds, different relgions "suppodely different politics" yet out the thin air, they pop the NWO statement. It's almost to obvious to be even conspiracy anymore.

They want you to react.
All you have to do is not.

So when they say global crisis, DON'T react. (look at the recession balony on Limerick threads) thatds reaction
So when they say fight in the wars DON'T react.

Do people see it?

I see the same thing. But the way I analyse it, is the key difference.

Flamed Diving

road_2_damascus wrote: »

Obama did in Berlin http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=0CV8Xt2VWvc&feature=related

That video is hilarious.

Kernel

Flamed Diving wrote: »

My god. We are through the looking-glass here people.

Should I quit my job, in protest?

You can't, if you want to survive properly in the system. But you should recognise that you're in the system, and know that it is a system of control. 3 years ago I spoke out against this system of corporate capitalism. I used the analogy of the pyramid to describe it. Those at the bottom of the pyramid, the vast majority generate support (wealth) for those at the top (the capstone). The capstone is the smallest part of the structure, yet is above all the rest. Those at the capstone generate wealth from simply having wealth.

They do not have to labour as such, they supply the capital and you labour to generate wealth for them.

Flamed Diving

Kernel wrote: »

You can't, if you want to survive properly in the system. But you should recognise that you're in the system, and know that it is a system of control.

How do you define survive. When I was a younger man, I wasn't working by choice. I was playing in bands with my mates and getting by. Sure, I didn't have a car or fancy things, but they were some of the best years of my life. You don't have to work to 'survive'.

Kernel wrote: »

3 years ago I spoke out against this system of corporate capitalism. I used the analogy of the pyramid to describe it. Those at the bottom of the pyramid, the vast majority generate support (wealth) for those at the top (the capstone). The capstone is the smallest part of the structure, yet is above all the rest. Those at the capstone generate wealth from simply having wealth.

They do not have to labour as such, they supply the capital and you labour to generate wealth for them.

Wow! Did you come with that all by yourself? Wow! How original. Honestly! I never heard any analogy like that before. Never!

They have the capital, and we have the labour. So they exploit that? Wow! How come no one ever came up with this before!

Wow!

nyarlothothep

Flamed Diving wrote: »

How do you define survive. When I was a younger man, I wasn't working by choice. I was playing in bands with my mates and getting by. Sure, I didn't have a car or fancy things, but they were some of the best years of my life. You don't have to work to 'survive'.



Wow! Did you come with that all by yourself? Wow! How original. Honestly! I never heard any analogy like that before. Never!

They have the capital, and we have the labour. So they exploit that? Wow! How come no one ever came up with this before!

Wow!

you do if you live in Johannesburg or the USA.

Kernel

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Wow! Did you come with that all by yourself? Wow! How original. Honestly! I never heard any analogy like that before. Never!

They have the capital, and we have the labour. So they exploit that? Wow! How come no one ever came up with this before!

Wow!

No need to be facetious. :rolleyes: Did I claim to have invented such an idea?

Flamed Diving

Kernel wrote: »

No need to be facetious. :rolleyes: Did I claim to have invented such an idea?

Ah, but FD needs to have his fun!

You were stating the bleedin' obvious, in fairness.

mysterious

Flamed Diving wrote: »

I see the same thing. But the way I analyse it, is the key difference.

And, what? exactly are you analyzing is the key difference.

I was just been more general than been analyitical.:rolleyes:

But go on explain, your "key difference" I'm sure you won't tell me any key difference that I don't know.

Flamed Diving

mysterious wrote: »

And, what? exactly are you analyzing is the key difference.

I was just been more general than been analyitical.:rolleyes:

But go on explain, your "key difference" I'm sure you won't tell me any key difference that I don't know.

Politicians mention the need for a global order.

1) This is a huge conspiracy in which a small group are looking to control us all with microchips.

2) There is a recognition, and has been for some time now, that the nature of future events will need to be dealt with at a unilateral level. As it stands, the nature of international politics is one of anarchy, as each government can only hope to serve its own interests, given the current set-up. The only hope for finding a common ground is by fostering institutions that will lead to this. As it stands, the UN is a joke (the veto powers), as is the World Bank and IMF (too much american influence). But I see no giant conspiracy, sorry.

mysterious

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Politicians mention the need for a global order.

1) This is a huge conspiracy in which a small group are looking to control us all with microchips.

2) There is a recognition, and has been for some time now, that the nature of future events will need to be dealt with at a unilateral level. As it stands, the nature of international politics is one of anarchy, as each government can only hope to serve its own interests, given the current set-up. The only hope for finding a common ground is by fostering institutions that will lead to this. As it stands, the UN is a joke (the veto powers), as is the World Bank and IMF (too much american influence). But I see no giant conspiracy, sorry.

Thanks for the reply and your answer to my question.
But I don't see anything different to my own observation or analyzation.

Flamed Diving

mysterious wrote: »

Thanks for the reply and your answer to my question.
But I don't see anything different to my own observation or analyzation.

I should have put an 'or' in between (1) and (2).

Kernel

Flamed Diving wrote: »

You were stating the bleedin' obvious, in fairness.

You'd be surprised at how many people think they are free, rather than slaves. Obvious to us enlightened FD, but not to everyone else.

thecommander

Kernel wrote: »

You'd be surprised at how many people think they are free, rather than slaves. Obvious to us enlightened FD, but not to everyone else.

Pyramid theory works in most economies, be it food or money, nothing enlightened about it. Stop praising yourself.

Kernel

thecommander wrote: »

Pyramid theory works in most economies, be it food or money, nothing enlightened about it. Stop praising yourself.

Self praise is no praise, the concept is not my own, nor was it claimed as such. The masses are by and large unaware of this 'inconvenient truth', or too distracted by shiny baubles to ponder their place in the scheme. unfortunately.

thecommander

Kernel wrote: »

Self praise is no praise, the concept is not my own, nor was it claimed as such. The masses are by and large unaware of this 'inconvenient truth', or too distracted by shiny baubles to ponder their place in the scheme. unfortunately.

You're delusional if you think most people dont realise that a small number of people control a large amount of people, or a small of people control a large amount of money.

Kernel

thecommander wrote: »

You're delusional if you think most people dont realise that a small number of people control a large amount of people, or a small of people control a large amount of money.

Delusional eh? Must mean I'm mad so, and you can disregard everything I say. I've spoken to many many people on this topic over the years, and believe me, people either don't fully understand the system of control they are enslaved under, or else they simply don't think about it. Too busy with shoulder to the wheel earning tokens to buy Nintendo Wii's for the kids etc.

the_syco

humanji wrote: »

So if I say "black is white" enough times, it becomes true?

Well, a group of lads started to say that ye can come back from the dead, and now lots of people believe that you can live forever, so yes, I suppose so :rolleyes:

TheParrot

Of course it was planned.

All major events are planned.

humanji

the_syco wrote: »

Well, a group of lads started to say that ye can come back from the dead, and now lots of people believe that you can live forever, so yes, I suppose so :rolleyes:

I have a big penis.
I have a big penis.
I have a big penis.

Flamed Diving

Kernel wrote: »

You'd be surprised at how many people think they are free, rather than slaves. Obvious to us enlightened FD, but not to everyone else.

Aww, I feel so... enlightened.

:pac:

Mahatma coat

humanji wrote: »

I have a big penis.
I have a big penis.
I have a big penis.

Lad, give it back ,OK

humanji

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Lad, give it back ,OK

lol