New website-what should i use?

AARRRGH · 04-03-2009 5:20pm

I think she should keep things simple.

Designing, creating and publishing a successful website is hard enough. Getting bogged down in the technology (especially a new technology) is just an extra complication.

PHP all the way.

MIN2511 · 04-03-2009 9:48pm

AARRRGH wrote: »

I won't be home until about 7. Can you hang around?

Just saw this

Tomorrow maybe? I will be there until 8.20pm

MIN2511 · 04-03-2009 9:53pm

Ginger wrote: »

The thing to remember with SilverLight is that is client side rather than server side programming so its not as easy to get your head around the concept model.

You need a wee bit of knowledge of .NET and some of either WCF or ASMX. Now being honest, I am starting silverlight as a bit and I am finding it relatively easy to work with XAML tho I have Expression studio to help. I am by no means a graphics designer (mostly do backend coding) so it cant be that hard

Thanks for that...

You are the only person that i have come across who uses Silverlight...

I am a newbie at this and will need support, i don't know how much support i can get with Silverlight. It was frustrating asking questions on the forum and not getting much back for at least 24hrs.... That demotivates me

AARRRGH · 05-03-2009 2:02pm

MIN2511 wrote: »

Just saw this

Tomorrow maybe? I will be there until 8.20pm

OK, I will drop it in tonight.

pauldiv · 07-03-2009 3:51am

MIN2511 wrote: »

btw i sent you a pm(php books) and no reply

I replied to your pm the other day. I was busy and had not used boards much. Sorry. Let me know if you got the books ok.

pauldiv · 07-03-2009 3:56am

AARRRGH wrote: »

I think she should keep things simple.
Designing, creating and publishing a successful website is hard enough. Getting bogged down in the technology (especially a new technology) is just an extra complication.

+1 for this because all the technology in the world won't salvage a bad idea.
Work the idea through and PHP will do the rest for you no problem.

MIN2511 · 08-03-2009 3:19am

pauldiv wrote: »

+1 for this because all the technology in the world won't salvage a bad idea.
Work the idea through and PHP will do the rest for you no problem.

Thanks...

AARRRGH loaned me a book... Got it today/yesterday

I also purchased VS full edition(08) apparently i need it to install php... hmmm

Evil Phil · 08-03-2009 7:22pm

I hope that's not VS as in Visual Studio? That's a microsoft product and doesn't support php as far as I know and isn't required for php anyway.

Php is free, you can get Eclipse PDT (Eclipse is an IDE) and WAMP, if your on windows, for free as well. In fact eclipse probably comes with its own webserver, does anybody know if it does?

MIN2511 · 08-03-2009 7:30pm

Evil Phil wrote: »

I hope that's not VS as in Visual Studio? That's a microsoft product and doesn't support php as far as I know and isn't required for php anyway.

Php is free, you can get Eclipse PDT (Eclipse is an IDE) and WAMP, if your on windows, for free as well. In fact eclipse probably comes with its own webserver, does anybody know if it does?

1. How to build PHP under windows
a. Requirements

You need:
- Windows Scripting Host (cscript.exe)
- Microsoft Build Tools from:
Microsoft Visual Studio (VC6) or later

I got this from the Readme in the php-5.2.9 i downloaded

rmacm · 08-03-2009 7:43pm

You don't have to build PHP from source, there are Windows binaries available for it e.g. here http://ie2.php.net/get/php-5.2.9-win32-installer.msi/from/a/mirror

Or as EvilPhil mentioned you can use Wamp or xampp.

Epic Tissue · 08-03-2009 7:47pm

1. How to build PHP under windows

Download XAMPP
Go to XAMPP folder, go to htdocs - this is where you save your files. To see those files go to localhost/filename.php in a browser.

<php
echo 'helloworld';
?>

MIN2511 · 08-03-2009 8:18pm

Epic Tissue wrote: »

1. How to build PHP under windows

Download XAMPP
Go to XAMPP folder, go to htdocs - this is where you save your files. To see those files go to localhost/filename.php in a browser.

<php
echo 'helloworld';
?>

Hmm....

I downloaded XAMPP ages ago, it's running now(Apache and MySQL)

Am still on it, is there anyone on msn now who can guide me please?

I will appreciate it bucket loads

Webmonkey · 08-03-2009 8:37pm

Well if you have XAMPP running, all you have to do is create your php script pages and save them as *.php in Apache's WWW (htdocs) directory. This is probably in your XAMPP installation somewhere.

To test PHP working properly, just type this into an editor and save file as test.php:

[php]
<?php
print "Hi There!";
?>
[/php]

You should see Hi There in your browser then when you goto http://localhost/test.php - providing you saved test.php in the root directory (htdocs). You can create sub directories too.

MIN2511 · 09-03-2009 10:11am

Epic Tissue wrote: »

1. How to build PHP under windows

Download XAMPP
Go to XAMPP folder, go to htdocs - this is where you save your files. To see those files go to localhost/filename.php in a browser.

<php
echo 'helloworld';
?>

Thanks dude, i really appreciate your help last night

First form done! Impressive! PHP is not bad at all guys, cheers.... I am very happy with it, i can't wait to create my login screen etc....

Now i am thinking of colour schemes, name for site etc....

So so Happy!

Aarrrgh-thanks for the book! LEGEND!!!!

So guys any ideas, thoughts will be greatly appreciated!!!

Very angry i bought MS VS, sure i will use it as i want to learn c#

Placebo · 09-03-2009 1:06pm

surely you need to devise a UML or chart of some sort to get a general idea of the mechanism you will be creating, Maybe then look at the design.

AARRRGH · 09-03-2009 1:15pm

Placebo wrote: »

surely you need to devise a UML or chart of some sort to get a general idea of the mechanism you will be creating, Maybe then look at the design.

I use A1 notepads from Easons. I just draw the general user flow, e.g. he could click on this and then do that, or he could click on this and then do something else, or whatever.

Getting your user flow right from the beginning will make your coding life way easier.

NeverSayDie · 09-03-2009 3:42pm

Re buying VS - I'm probably adding insult to injury here

- for future reference, MS have been doing free versions of Visual Studio and various other tools for some time;
http://www.microsoft.com/express/interest/
and here;
http://www.microsoft.com/Web/downloads/platform.aspx
http://www.microsoft.com/web/downloads/application.aspx

MIN2511 · 09-03-2009 8:50pm

Placebo wrote: »

surely you need to devise a UML or chart of some sort to get a general idea of the mechanism you will be creating, Maybe then look at the design.

UML's all done, i am constantly updating and reviewing....

AARRRGH wrote: »

I use A1 notepads from Easons. I just draw the general user flow, e.g. he could click on this and then do that, or he could click on this and then do something else, or whatever.

Getting your user flow right from the beginning will make your coding life way easier.

Notepad, drawn and dusted! This girl is coding.... Gonna spend a few hours tonight, login screen should be looking good soon

NeverSayDie wrote: »

Re buying VS - I'm probably adding insult to injury here - for future reference, MS have been doing free versions of Visual Studio and various other tools for some time;
http://www.microsoft.com/express/interest/
and here;
http://www.microsoft.com/Web/downloads/platform.aspx
http://www.microsoft.com/web/downloads/application.aspx

I had the express version for some reason i wasn't satisfied with it

Placebo · 10-03-2009 10:57am

Fair play if you see it through,
About a year ago , i started working on an offline application, with flex. That read your Nike+ data from your ipod, it then drew up charts and showed your stats and i was hoping on adding mile stones etc similar to the official online version,

work got in the way and its still undone, somewhere.

AARRRGH · 10-03-2009 11:51am

Placebo wrote: »

work got in the way and its still undone, somewhere.

The story of my life!

I've managed to finish some projects (i.e. see signature) but I have so many half done, hours wasted, semi working bits of code sitting on my laptop...

MIN2511 · 10-03-2009 11:57pm

Placebo wrote: »

Fair play if you see it through,
About a year ago , i started working on an offline application, with flex. That read your Nike+ data from your ipod, it then drew up charts and showed your stats and i was hoping on adding mile stones etc similar to the official online version,

work got in the way and its still undone, somewhere.

AARRRGH wrote: »

The story of my life!

I've managed to finish some projects (i.e. see signature) but I have so many half done, hours wasted, semi working bits of code sitting on my laptop...

I promise to learn from your mistakes

Should be interesting, had to revise login screen UML... Think i came up with a name too

Malached · 12-03-2009 1:31am

Try using some HTML. : -P

MIN2511 · 12-03-2009 1:39am

Cheers bud! Seriously, that would take my ages!

Malached · 12-03-2009 1:53am

<Joking aside>
It's about what you want to do, not how to do it
</Joking aside>
Writing a wesite.. or an application .. or an application with a web front end, or a web site that has a bit of a back end. Tools for the job. You must decide what you want before you try to implement it. Otherwise you get a cluster****.

Epic Tissue · 12-03-2009 2:04am

Malached wrote: »

<Joking aside>
It's about what you want to do, not how to do it
</Joking aside>
Writing a wesite.. or an application .. or an application with a web front end, or a web site that has a bit of a back end. Tools for the job. You must decide what you want before you try to implement it. Otherwise you get a cluster****.

The italic part was a joke?:o

Malached · 12-03-2009 2:13am

Yes Italians are a joke

bullpost · 18-03-2009 11:18am

Someone previously mentioned cakephp as a good framework for developing php apps.It implements a lot of the interesting features of the Ruby/Rails framework. e.g. supports MVC patterns. It is also widely used. I've just started working with it, having done no php or web programming previously , and so far can recommend it.
Its got a very active user community and plenty examples and tutorials. You can also convert style templates from other environments , such as Joomla , to work with it.

MIN2511 · 18-03-2009 10:25pm

bullpost wrote: »

Someone previously mentioned cakephp as a good framework for developing php apps.It implements a lot of the interesting features of the Ruby/Rails framework. e.g. supports MVC patterns. It is also widely used. I've just started working with it, having done no php or web programming previously , and so far can recommend it.
Its got a very active user community and plenty examples and tutorials. You can also convert style templates from other environments , such as Joomla , to work with it.

I started using php, not gonna bother with cakephp... but it's good to know, might use it in the future...

How are you getting on with it? What's your website about?

bullpost · 19-03-2009 11:30am

Its early days but I can already see that cakephps inbuilt features , such as table associations, are going to make life a lot easier on the database side.
For social networking sites the database side of things can quickly become unwieldy if its not designed properly and cakephp makes it easier to handle and get it right if you follow the conventions.

MIN2511 · 19-03-2009 11:34am

bullpost wrote: »

Its early days but I can already see that cakephps inbuilt features , such as table associations, are going to make life a lot easier on the database side.
For social networking sites the database side of things can quickly become unwieldy if its not designed properly and cakephp makes it easier to handle and get it right if you follow the conventions.

Am onto it now

Good info! Keep the ideas coming please

New website-what should i use?

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